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I installed it, and no weird problems to speak of.
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I installed it, and no weird problems to speak of.

I second that.
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post #123 of 160
Since this thread seems to be straying from Mac OS X to battery issues, I'm splitting off all of the battery posts to another thread.

See here: Battery Issues w/ 10.3.3
post #124 of 160
Installed 10.3.3 on my external FW drive that I use to test stuff before putting on my main drives.

Boot time is *much* shorter, probably about 1/3d what it is under Jag on a 800 MHz FP iMac. Finder code was either recompiled, rewritten, or a combination of the two, because it's much snappier. Camino, Safari, and OmniWeb work fine.

Tomorrow comes what is for me, the acid test: Does 10.3.3 break FCE?

Just didn't have time today to putz with it. Tomorrow for sure.

I'm getting the feeling, "This is what Panther should have been when it came out", but I'll reserve judgment until I see what happens with Final Cut, which is notorious for not liking point software upgrades of either the OS, or of QuickTime.

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UPDATE

Seems the SU version of 10.3.3 hosed every file's permissions on my external FW drive. While the machine was not, repeat NOT, hosed, I could see where someone not as conscientious as me might have problems.

Moral of story: ALWAYS repair permissions after installing new software (especially an Apple operating system update!)

FWIW, the permissions utility was saying words to the effect of 'this file' is in group 99, should be 80; then it reset the permissions. If someone with a bit more Unix background could explain, I'd appreciate it.
post #125 of 160
I was hoping that 10.3.3 would add native burning support for my Mitsumi 52x ATA drive, but it hasn't. I'll have to stick with Toast until then.
post #126 of 160
First problem ever installing an update:

Some of my contextual menu items in safari are replaced with "Localized String Not Found" If I select it, it still performs the task it should. I know what most of them are from muscle memory but it would be nice if it said "copy" instead of "Localized String Not Found" I even re-installed Safari, I am about to try and delete the plist and see what happens \
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post #127 of 160
Apple says that "Open" is replaced with "Choose" in the open dialog boxes. In what app(s) is this applied to? All my open dialogs still have the OPEN button flashing...
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post #128 of 160
Deleted Safari's preferences, That did nothing.
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post #129 of 160
I just noticed, the vB buttons on here do not work either. \ I wonder...

EDIT: Changed VB to vB... \
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post #130 of 160
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I just noticed, the VB buttons on here do not work either. \ I wonder...

VB? Visual Basic? o.O?
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post #131 of 160
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Originally posted by Proud iBook Owner 2k2
VB? Visual Basic? o.O?

err no the vBullitin code.
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post #132 of 160
i installed it, it's faster
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post #133 of 160
Err fixed my problem. Apparently some of the contextual menu items are in the localized file in the webkit framework instead of safari... For what ever reason my webkit.framework did not get updated.

Thank you Pacifist.
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post #134 of 160
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Originally posted by Proud iBook Owner 2k2
Apple says that "Open" is replaced with "Choose" in the open dialog boxes. In what app(s) is this applied to? All my open dialogs still have the OPEN button flashing...

Perhaps this is the case for certain dialog boxes where you select a folder. I thought these already displayed "choose" though...

On a related note, those power bars shown in the APC Preference Pane are also used for Bluetooth battery strength for my wireless keyboard and mouse.
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post #135 of 160
Since updating to 10.3.3, I can no longer use my external DVD player (DVD-R/RW) to play DVD movies. Reading data on data dvs is fine, and I can see the movie DVDs mount on the desktop. The Apple DVD player gives an initialization error. The brand of the external firewire player does not make any difference. I am wondering if this is by design?
post #136 of 160
Installed it on my G4 533, and did not see any real differences
post #137 of 160
Installed on iMac G3 400 and no problems at all. Dont see any improvements that I can tell.

I do suggest repairing permissions right after the update. It had to repair something I had never seen before. I always repair permissions after an upgrade.

By the way, if you want to speed up safari I strongly suggest downlaoding pithhelmet, which gets rid of those annoying animated gifs and moving ads.
post #138 of 160
Panther is still flaky. The key commands bug is still there. I was just in Finder, I hit Command-W, and nothing. Repeatedly. Had to mouse the menu, then it would work. That bug is kind of rare at least but just a weird annoying little thing.
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post #139 of 160
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Originally posted by kraig911
I am about to just go for it and install it anyone have any problems?

i did it and it works oh so goode
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post #140 of 160
Hide bug is still there too. Preview decided right now to stop responding to Hide in the menu or Cmd-H.
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post #141 of 160
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Hide bug is still there too. Preview decided right now to stop responding to Hide in the menu or Cmd-H.

yeah, just found that out with safari and iTunes, dammit i hate that bug, oh well, that's what exposé's for, right?
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post #142 of 160
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yeah, just found that out with safari and iTunes, dammit i hate that bug, oh well, that's what exposé's for, right?

Everything works fine for me. ^_^
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post #143 of 160
I installed 10.3.3 last week (Wednesday I think). Yesterday I had my first kernel panic since October.

Before that I don't think had a kernel panic since 10.1. Panther must not like me. Either that or the G5.
post #144 of 160
Boot time now under 7 seconds! I don't know how they did that, but they seem to have cut out a whole lot of the startup process or some redundant code or something... It flies..
I haven't had any bugs at all yet either.

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post #145 of 160
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Originally posted by Jimzip
Boot time now under 7 seconds! I don't know how they did that, but they seem to have cut out a whole lot of the startup process or some redundant code or something... It flies..
I haven't had any bugs at all yet either.

Jimzip

Measured from when until when? Even my brother's really fast computer takes something like 30 seconds to start up, and that's pretty fast. He measures from when he presses the power button to when the icons, the dock, and the menu bar are all visible on his desktop. Mine takes longer, but I'm not complaining. I have a fairly slow computer.
post #146 of 160
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Originally posted by Aquatic
Hide bug is still there too. Preview decided right now to stop responding to Hide in the menu or Cmd-H.

He. I'm already used to it. Other keystrokes occasionally fail too since 10.3.0.
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post #147 of 160
30+ macs on 10.3.3. No hide bugs or any other problems (except PEBKAC )

Sweet!

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post #148 of 160
heres a weird quirk I noticed after installing the update, I have Safari and iCal set to launch when I start up/ log in and they used to stay up in the screen when launched ie the interface of the app, now iCal launches stays up for split sec and the window disappears and the safari window never comes up but they are running of course, just there respective windows are not up like they used to. any suggestions?
post #149 of 160
Try going to System Preferences > Accounts > (your account name) > Login Items and check to see if any of your Login Items have the "Hide" box checked. If so, they'll hide upon startup. If that's not it, I don't know what.
post #150 of 160
yep that was it...geesh I feel like an idiot for not noticing that before! I was just in there today earlier and didn't see it, thanx!
post #151 of 160
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Originally posted by Luca Rescigno
Measured from when until when? Even my brother's really fast computer takes something like 30 seconds to start up, and that's pretty fast. He measures from when he presses the power button to when the icons, the dock, and the menu bar are all visible on his desktop. Mine takes longer, but I'm not complaining. I have a fairly slow computer.

From the RAM check screen to the login pane. After timing it it's actually around 14 seconds. But that's still bloody fast for starting up a computer..
I'm running it on a Dual 1.25GHz PowerMac.

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post #152 of 160
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Originally posted by Jimzip
Boot time now under 7 seconds! I don't know how they did that, but they seem to have cut out a whole lot of the startup process or some redundant code or something... It flies..
I haven't had any bugs at all yet either.

Jimzip

Sorry no links,

But I believe panther loads a partial image of what's supposed to be in RAM when it starts up now, so if you an imagine a lot less processing is, if this is true, required now to start up the COMPY.
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post #153 of 160
After the update some of the windows-users who got mail with attachments from me complain that in addition to the actual attachment there has been another attachment that doesn't open. I wonder if any of you have got similar complaints?
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Originally posted by Kutri
After the update some of the windows-users who got mail with attachments from me complain that in addition to the actual attachment there has been another attachment that doesn't open. I wonder if any of you have got similar complaints?

I had something similar under Jaguar. The windows user who received such e-mails, thought there was some virus therein.

Anyway, let me tell two words about my Panther and, in particular, 10.3.3 experience. I am under 10.3.3 for a week now and with the exception of some initial peculiar OS behaviour, I must say I am more than satisfied.

Let me explain. After a clean Panther installation (I erased completely my existing Jaguar installation), creation of users and transfer of backed up files, I noticed that one user was unable to logout and the cmd-option-esc command to force quit an application would not work. I forced logout, nothing. The other users (thanks Fast User Switch!), could logout normally. Very strange. The other day, just after waking the computer (Powerbook 12" 867 MHz), while being on the unable-to-logout user, the machine panicked! Here is the panic log:



<Log Start>

Thu Mar 25 08:16:10 2004


Unresolved kernel trap(cpu 0): 0x300 - Data access DAR=0x0000000000000004 PC=0x000000000008D37C
Latest crash info for cpu 0:
Exception state (sv=0x1FEE6C80)
PC=0x0008D37C; MSR=0x00001030; DAR=0x00000004; DSISR=0x40000000; LR=0x0003759C; R1=0x0F49BD50; XCP=0x0000000C (0x300 - Data access)
Backtrace:
0x022E1318 0x0021DE94 0x00215930 0x002157B0
Proceeding back via exception chain:
Exception state (sv=0x1FEE6C80)
previously dumped as "Latest" state. skipping...
Exception state (sv=0x1D22D500)
PC=0x9000B30C; MSR=0x0000D030; DAR=0x0193E000; DSISR=0x42000000; LR=0x90196BD0; R1=0xF0090CF0; XCP=0x00000030 (0xC00 - System call)

Kernel version:
Darwin Kernel Version 7.3.0:
Fri Mar 5 14:22:55 PST 2004; root:xnu/xnu-517.3.15.obj~4/RELEASE_PPC


panic(cpu 0): 0x300 - Data access
Latest stack backtrace for cpu 0:
Backtrace:
0x000834B8 0x0008399C 0x0001EDA4 0x000909C0 0x00093C8C
Proceeding back via exception chain:
Exception state (sv=0x1FEE6C80)
PC=0x0008D37C; MSR=0x00001030; DAR=0x00000004; DSISR=0x40000000; LR=0x0003759C; R1=0x0F49BD50; XCP=0x0000000C (0x300 - Data access)
Backtrace:
0x022E1318 0x0021DE94 0x00215930 0x002157B0
Exception state (sv=0x1D22D500)
PC=0x9000B30C; MSR=0x0000D030; DAR=0x0193E000; DSISR=0x42000000; LR=0x90196BD0; R1=0xF0090CF0; XCP=0x00000030 (0xC00 - System call)

Kernel version:
Darwin Kernel Version 7.3.0:
Fri Mar 5 14:22:55 PST 2004; root:xnu/xnu-517.3.15.obj~4/RELEASE_PPC



*********

<Log End>



It is obvious that there is nothing hardware related, only some "system call" and, perhaps bad, "data access" that are the cause. After that, I deleted the problematic (and non-admin) user and created a new one in its place with another name. Until now, I had no similar problem. I can only suspect the fact that the (problematic and non-admin) user name under Panther, coincides with an admin user name I had under Jaguar. Normally, the previous installation has nothing to do with the new one since the hard drive has been erased, but who knows what messed things up that much .

Other than that, I am a happy Panther user. Most of the issues I had under 10.2.8 (audio skip, PMU not reset correctly at startup, sometimes problematic DVD playback without restarting first) have been addressed. Furthermore, I think that Panther has noticeably more advanced multitasking than Jaguar. I mean, it is the same thing, but it works better in Panther, as long as memory is available and the disk is not hammered. I had the other day a heavy (100%) CPU load compiling stuff with fink, and switching to another user let me play a DVD without skipping a frame (nor sound of course). Very nice! Oh, and the whole system is noticeably more responsive too. This is not the effect of the newly-installed-newly-started-up system, as I find that Safari is no faster than Safari under Jaguar (which may be a little faster actually). And what's up with Safari eating up more than 80% CPU when writing in forms like the ones of this forum?

The fan now: it starts working at 51-52 C / 124-125 F, and it stops only when the CPU temperature falls at 47 C / 116 F. This keeps the machine cool and I have not seen until now temperatures above 58-59 C / 136-138 F, after very intensive usage (playing for example demanding games). Under Jaguar, the fan was activated around 62 C / 144 F, so it happened to me using the powerbook fanless with 61 C / 142 F when there was significant load. This was good and bad: good since you have no noise, but for me more bad as I had concerns about heat damaging something.
post #155 of 160
Here is what kpdecode gives:

<kpdecode start>

Creating stack map... loading modules and nametables... done.
Thu Mar 25 08:16:10 2004:
Backtrace 1:
0x022e1318: _libsa_builder
0x0021de94: _selprocess
0x00215930: _hashinit
0x002157b0: _hashinit

Backtrace 2:
0x000834b8: _print_backtrace
0x0008399c: _Debugger
0x0001eda4: _panic
0x000909c0: _trap
0x00093c8c: _thandler

Backtrace 3:
0x022e1318: _libsa_builder
0x0021de94: _selprocess
0x00215930: _hashinit
0x002157b0: _hashinit

<kpdecode end>

Can anyone understand/know what are these selprocess, hashinit etc.?
post #156 of 160
Since I installed 10.3.3 I can't read I DVD of mp3's I made in iTunes. I'm not sure in the DVD was made under 10.3.2 or 10.3.3 but my friends XP machine reads it fine. I need to make sure I can read this cause I'm about to re-install Panther just to start of clean. And does anyone know how long I'll take to re-install Panther. Help would be appreciated
post #157 of 160
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Originally posted by Kutri
After the update some of the windows-users who got mail with attachments from me complain that in addition to the actual attachment there has been another attachment that doesn't open. I wonder if any of you have got similar complaints?

It's probably the resource fork split-out as a separate file. I believe there's an option for how to handle this in Mail's preferences, no? (Away from my Mac right now.)
post #158 of 160
Complains about 10.3.3 for me.

1, Battary Capacity seems to be lower than former release of updates.
2, the network opening method quite new, but not good compare to the original
3, the fan is still running too often, but I am the one who don't care temperature, but the silence.

Anyway, i still recommend you guys refresh your update list, then make yours 10.3.3, this one is much better than annoyed 10.3.2.

till now, that's what i am thinking about 10.3.3.
post #159 of 160
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Originally posted by PB
After a clean Panther installation (I erased completely my existing Jaguar installation), creation of users and transfer of backed up files, I noticed that one user was unable to logout and the cmd-option-esc command to force quit an application would not work. I forced logout, nothing. The other users (thanks Fast User Switch!), could logout normally. Very strange.

Users-unable-to-logout strikes again! It happened again today, and this time, the system did not let me to switch user. All my applications became non responding, logout not working, forced logout not working, launch new applications not working, only X11. And there, I saw in the terminal that syslogd and automount (running as root) had gone berserk (running non stop at about 45% CPU each). Anyone knows why or what this could mean?

Forced restart. Checked disk. All Ok. Phewww!
post #160 of 160
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Originally posted by PB
Users-unable-to-logout strikes again! It happened again today, and this time, the system did not let me to switch user.

It looks like lockups in Panther are a rather common issue, but hard to reproduce (it happens randomly, or so it seems). Let's see when will be the next \ .
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