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Powel calls Kerry out:

http://www.mlive.com/newsflash/michi...s&election2004

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/...kerry.leaders/

... pants on fire...
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Strategic error on Kerry's part. Good call by republicans, Kerry will now look like a liar because he realizes naming names is idiotic at this juncture...
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isn't everyone a liar?
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I don't quite get the point of why Republicans are exploiting this. 1) It's undoubtedly true that most foreign leaders welcome a Kerry Presidency because he has made explicit overtures to mend relations between the US and the world. Kerry has said he wants to work with our country's allies and has emphasized the value of allies generally speaking. Now that's clearly in marked contrast from our current President and his administration, who generally de-emphasized the value of allies namely through his "either with us or against us," go-it alone (without the support any international organization of states like UN or NATO) foreign policy. 2) Republicans have argued against "needing the approval of another state" to conduct foreign policy and otherwise, so for the sake consistency, shouldn't they attack Kerry's statement as a "clear sign that he will weaken our national security by requiring our country to sign a permission slip to conduct foreign policy." Hmm- yes- foreign leaders support Kerry, but I think that should be a bad thing based on what Republicans have argued for the past 3 or 4 years.
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isn't everyone a liar?

I am not! Liar!
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Kinda like when Dean "suggested that America should be planning for a time when it is not the world's greatest superpower: 'We have to take a different approach [to diplomacy]. We won't always have the strongest military.' "

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All these candidates are going to say stuuuuupid things... Bushie ain't too far, just wait. He may say stupud things like the "imports" comment, but Kerry does not back up what he says with his meanie face. Like "who are the 'crooks' and what have they done" and "what international leaders" ?

C'mon Johnnie. Play ball when you flap your elitist northeastern gums.

The title of this thread is a no-brainer. All politicians lie. All of them. It is called "electibility." Of what I have seen, the only one that is honest about who and what he is- is "NADAR."
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I think you answered your own question with the second point Shawn. It's like a business letter; if you want to convey ONE single idea then that's all you cover in your letter, otherwise the other items get lost in the rush.

Count on argument #2 to land this week.


And yes, this has made Kerry look silly even if it is true that he's heard these explicit statements from leaders currently in power. If it looks like the world landscape is shifting to socialist governments (ala Spain) then you can count on that only adding to the liberal badge being stuck to Senator Kerry's previously wrinkled forehead.

And check it out, we have seven or eight more months of this fun!!
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post #8 of 163
Kerry is a liar,, but i cant blame him, he watched Clinton for 8 yrs, apperantly he missed a few Clinton workshops on talking from both sides of the mouth, his biggest downfall, however, (other than being an anti-war liberal)is his personality, he is 180 degrees from clinton, a stone-faced, eleatist nose-in-the-air i-am-better than-you, mass. liberal with the voice of a comedore 64.
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This election is going to be between Dumb and Dumberer.
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Originally posted by Messiahtosh
This election is going to be between Dumb and Dumberer.

who is whom (dare i ask)
in reality, I think it is more about good and evil, one would, admittedly, slam the breaks on the war on terror thus the terrorists win.
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post #11 of 163
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Originally posted by ShawnJ
I don't quite get the point of why Republicans are exploiting this. 1) It's undoubtedly true that most foreign leaders welcome a Kerry Presidency because he has made explicit overtures to mend relations between the US and the world. Kerry has said he wants to work with our country's allies and has emphasized the value of allies generally speaking. Now that's clearly in marked contrast from our current President and his administration, who generally de-emphasized the value of allies namely through his "either with us or against us," go-it alone (without the support any international organization of states like UN or NATO) foreign policy. 2) Republicans have argued against "needing the approval of another state" to conduct foreign policy and otherwise, so for the sake consistency, shouldn't they attack Kerry's statement as a "clear sign that he will weaken our national security by requiring our country to sign a permission slip to conduct foreign policy." Hmm- yes- foreign leaders support Kerry, but I think that should be a bad thing based on what Republicans have argued for the past 3 or 4 years.

Wow. Why are they exploiting it? Probably the same reason you're running around screaming "where are the WOMD?" Give me a break. The Republicans are exploiting this because:

1) They can make Kerry look like the fool that he for making the statement.

2) The wish to dispel, rightfully, the notion that "we have no allies left". This
is nothing but a myth. We have not alienated the entire world as you'd like
to claim we have. It simply isn't true. What we did have is a pacisfist,
corrupt third rate power (which was directly tied to Saddam)
actively campaigning against our agenda. Ally? No. Allies don't do that.
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post #12 of 163
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Originally posted by a_greer
a comedore 64.

I was thinking a Trash80...


With his friend Tom Daschle, voice-over by HAL

"Hello, electorate... This is Tom..."
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Originally posted by Jubelum
I was thinking a Trash80...


With his friend Tom Daschle, voice-over by HAL

"Hello, electorate... This is Tom..."

that is great
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Originally posted by SDW2001

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2) The wish to dispel, rightfully, the notion that "we have no allies left". This
is nothing but a myth. We have not alienated the entire world as you'd like
to claim we have. It simply isn't true. What we did have is a pacisfist,

untill the whole spain thing this weekend the dems biched pissed and moaned about being unilateral, and now all of the sudden we lost our greatest Ally? we had these? the libs paint themselves into corners every week now. all bush needs to do is let kerry talk all the time, and occasinaly chime in and point out his lies and/or double talk
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Na-dar, NAA-dar, NAA-DAR!

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Democrats think they are Democrats based on a definition that they think it stands for. By being a democrat one thinks that they represent change, and forward thinking policy. They think that a Democrat has a responsibility for the common man, and they want to fight the evil capitalist who wants nothing but to hoard money at the expense of others. Big government control against less government and business.

The Republicans stand for the equal oppertunity to all people, not equal outcome. No child left behind, and the like are all issues supported by Republicans. People are so confused now-a-days about who and what they are and what they stand for.

John Kerry is running his campaign on a class warfare strategy, pitting the common person against the evil capitalist and "top 10%" Republican. By appealing to the lower class and middle class, Kerry assumes he will garner a large vote-which is a good strategy, but not at all true to his party. People should not be fooled by the fact that Kerry is a high class citizen and he is going out and campaigning for the little guy, while not even accurately representing the little guy at all. Not to say that George Bush does, but in terms of policy to help the lower class, both are very similar.

Also, lets look at Kerry's do-nothing career as a junior senator. He has 3 pieces of minor legislation to his name, a complete and total joke. He is not the forward thinking, radical changing guy that Democrats think or want to believe he is. He's just another guy with money, preaching to a class he is not apart of and trying to create a them vs us mentality between classes.

I wont buy it, and I wont vote for John Kerry.
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Worst. Analysis. Ever.
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Worst. Analysis. Ever.

This from a former Deaniac. Yeeeah!
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post #19 of 163
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Originally posted by ShawnJ
Worst. Analysis. Ever.

How is this so? Is John Kerry not trying to benefit from the uneducated and minor anger wave in some of the classes and bolster himself into a position of power based on emotion and backwards thinking?

"We'll take some from here, move it over here, take that over there and build this up over here-ahhhh it all looks even now."---That is not the America I want to live in.
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Originally posted by Messiahtosh
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John Kerry is running his campaign on a class warfare strategy, pitting the common person against the evil capitalist and "top 10%" Republican. By appealing to the lower class and middle class, Kerry assumes he will garner a large vote-which is a good strategy, but not at all true to his party. People should not be fooled by the fact that Kerry is a high class citizen and he is going out and campaigning for the little guy, while not even accurately representing the little guy at all. Not to say that George Bush does, but in terms of policy to help the lower class, both are very similar....

well if you listen to John kerry you would never know how he affords his toys, his sugar-mamma, Theresa, the ketchup babe(I use the term loosely), and a BILLIONAIR so the choir that he preaches to should hate him....or are they even true to themselves anymore?
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Exactly, and the uneducated people in America do not know any better. They think, "this guy will help me get more money-I dont know how but he says he will." Pfft!

I'm sick of the media calling Bush ads, "Mud Slinging." His ads talk about things he should be proud of, like keeping America safe and keeping the economy relatively stable considering the issues that have had to have been dealt with. Never before has a country, in the history of the world had so much power and abused it less. I am glad Bush is trumpeting his successes in defense.

I also love how the Democrats claim that the job market and the economy overall is a wasteland, especially considering the employment rate is nearly at full employment.
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Kerry:

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...In dangerous parts of Iraq, our helicopters are flying missions without the best available anti-missile systems. Un-armored Humvees are falling victim to road-side bombs and small-arms fire and the Bush Administration waited through month after month of ambushes to act.

And tens of thousands of other troops arrived in Iraq to find that - with danger around every corner - there wasn't enough body armor to protect them. Many of their families on the homefront - mothers and fathers, husbands and wives and children - were forced to raise the money to buy it for them. Families should be sending pictures and care packages to Iraq - and the Department of Defense should be sending the body armor. Today, I call on President Bush to support a law now in Congress to reimburse each and every family who had to buy the body armor this Administration failed to provide.

This is the man you're supporting. This guy voted against nearly everything he's talking about above...including the $87B war funding request for....wait for it.... materials for the troops. He voted against 17 major weapons systems. He voted to cut intelligence.

What total bullshit.
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post #23 of 163
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Originally posted by Messiahtosh
Exactly, and the uneducated people in America do not know any better. They think, "this guy will help me get more money-I dont know how but he says he will."

Pfft!

these are the same people that buy crap from guys on tv who says that this magic pill will(fill in the blank) or this workbook will make you an instant million
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Kinda like when Dean "suggested that America should be planning for a time when it is not the world's greatest superpower: 'We have to take a different approach [to diplomacy]. We won't always have the strongest military.' "

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All these candidates are going to say stuuuuupid things... Bushie ain't too far, just wait. He may say stupud things like the "imports" comment, but Kerry does not back up what he says with his meanie face. Like "who are the 'crooks' and what have they done" and "what international leaders" ?

C'mon Johnnie. Play ball when you flap your elitist northeastern gums.

The title of this thread is a no-brainer. All politicians lie. All of them. It is called "electibility." Of what I have seen, the only one that is honest about who and what he is- is "NADAR.

OK a few things.

1. China will be bigger than us someday. Economy, military, everything. They're just bigger. Period. They already have a larger standing Army and where do you think most of our trade deficit goes?

2. elitist northern gums huh? Why the HELL are you quoting something Kerry said when he did not know the MIC was on? It was an offhand comment just like when Bush called a reporter a "Major league asshole." I didn't see him backing that one up.

3. Do you understand the concept of "electibility"? It has nothing to do with who is honest about who he is yada yada. Bush is an extremely dishonest President. Sure Clinton was too. But so is Bush. What about the cocaine he did, going AWOL, the Iraq pre-war intel, the Cheney energy meetings, lies about anything scientific at all from global warming to energy use to stem cells, what about virtually every number he quoted in debates, like all his blather about how his tax cut is great for poor people etc? But I digress. The point is "Nadar" has less electibility than even Al Sharpton. Maybe even Kucinich. Hell liberals (like me) hate him more than Republicans!
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This from a former Deaniac. Yeeeah!

Was that THIS "Yeeeah!" ???

8)
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Anyway Powell just wants to keep his job.
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post #27 of 163
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these are the same people that buy crap from guys on tv who says that this magic pill will(fill in the blank) or this workbook will make you an instant million

What kind of argument is that? The Republicans want you to be educated, they want everyone to have an equal opporunity to be educated and thus be able to wade through the potential downfalls within the system.
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Was that THIS "Yeeeah!" ???

8)

<picks up megaphone> close GB and step away from the keyboard...
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Republicans think they Republicans based on a definition that they think it stands for. By being a republican one thinks that they represent equal opportunity, and steady-minded policy. They think that a Republican has a responsibility for himself, and they want to fight the evil liberals who want nothing but to take their money away at the benefit of do-nothings. More social/economic friction against less social/economic friction and value of the individual....

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Republicans think they Republicans based on a definition that they think it stands for. By being a republican one thinks that they represent equal opportunity, and steady-minded policy. They think that a Republican has a responsibility for himself, and they want to fight the evil liberals who want nothing but to take their money away at the benefit of do-nothings. More social/economic friction against less social/economic friction and value of the individual....

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What a sad case you are. Liberals think they are so enlightened, they think the Republicans are selfish do nothings...it can go on and on.
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Maybe this Spain attack will show more people that Bush was right, defense is a priority...where does Kerry stand on that? I dont think he even knows. The Democrats dont have a Democrat running this year. They have a do-nothing wannabe.
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post #32 of 163
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What kind of argument is that? The Republicans want you to be educated, they want everyone to have an equal opporunity to be educated and thus be able to wade through the potential downfalls within the system.

No. Just no. No Child Left Behind is a exactly the opposite of its name... Regardless, if you really think the republicans want the american public to be educated they would have come out saying that the american public is wrong about its belief that Saddam Hussein was responsible for 9/11... etc etc etc...
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No. Just no. No Child Left Behind is a exactly the opposite of its name... Regardless, if you really think the republicans want the american public to be educated they would have come out saying that the american public is wrong about its belief that Saddam Hussein was responsible for 9/11... etc etc etc...

They never said that. Its called aiding and abetting terrorism and terrorists.
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What a sad case you are. Liberals think they are so enlightened, they think the Republicans are selfish do nothings...it can go on and on.

Huh? Do you know what satire is?


God, satire is dead...


I like how you insist on saying what liberals think and all...
post #35 of 163
Aqu-

1. Yep. China is a problem. But our technology will most certainly outdo theirs on the battlefield. Sure, mass numbers, but with early 80s equipment?

2. Take a pill man. Bush has elitist NE gums too, a Maine Yankee playing cowboy Texas dress-up. Mic or no mic, he said it. Talk to HIM about it. There was no need for B/C to back up the "asshole" thing. Everyone knows that reporter was one of the most anti-Bush attack dogs in 2000. Would I have said it? No... bad politics. Just like Kerry's politics. But you must have missed my earlier post... Bush's comment was about a reporter, Kerry's was about his opponent. (Let's not rehash this again in this thread as in the 3+ others)

3. Be careful with that word. "Hate" - We are competitors, not enemies. And major points for rattling off that string of Bush flusterclucks- (not worth my time) As far as electibility, my PoliSci MA would point to "yes" I do understand that topic. Politicans have to appear as moderate as possible to get elected in America, and this requires a certain level of disingenuous-ness, if a person has any sort of idelogical foundation whatsoever. Except for McCain. He changes sides more than a basketball.
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BTW, since "Bush went into Iraq for oil" why are the prices for oil rising? lmfao, we really are making a killing on it!
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Coolest post this week.
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post #38 of 163
Just remember how to to tell when a politician is lying: His lips are moving. Both of these bozos will say what ever they can get away with to get elected. Bush is going to be far more conserative throughout his campaign as he is the sitting president. Kerry in the next couple of days is going to have to throttle back his comments as he will have to shift his campaign strategy from trying to reach the far left liberals who vote in the primaries, to reach the vast middle america voting block who will decide who is going to be president. Not the 125,000 who voted in Iowa, that set this whole Kerry phenomana going!
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They never said that. Its called aiding and abetting terrorism and terrorists.

Yes they didn't say that. Why didn't they set the record straight when the polls came out saying that by far most americans believed he was responsible for 9/11? In fact, why did cheney et al. avoid the question?
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Yes they didn't say that. Why didn't they set the record straight when the polls came out saying that by far most americans believed he was responsible for 9/11? In fact, why did cheney et al. avoid the question?

How do you know they avoided it? Jesus, you are a total pessimistic cynic.
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