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post #121 of 386
3/22/04 at 9:33am
Quote:
Originally posted by dmz
Treasury Sec.


This is bordering on Hysteria. A civil service lifer with ties to Kerry and who wasdemoted by Condi says she "looked skeptical", Bush "didn't tell him" to do this or that "but he just knew"? Clarke has his own "brilliant " past as well.

What?!


There have somehow been NO terrorist attacks in since 9/11 and Bush is some kind of evil buffoon?


So, what is Al Qua'ida's historic timeline? What when and where have they attached in the past? What was the time span between attacks on US soil?

(After this; therefore because of this)
"[Saddam's] a bad guy. He's a terrible guy and he should go. But I don't think it's worth 800 troops dead, 4500 wounded -- some of them terribly -- $200 billion of our treasury and counting, and...




"[Saddam's] a bad guy. He's a terrible guy and he should go. But I don't think it's worth 800 troops dead, 4500 wounded -- some of them terribly -- $200 billion of our treasury and counting, and...




post #122 of 386
3/22/04 at 9:35am
Quote:
Originally posted by dmz
Bush "didn't tell him" to do this or that "but he just knew"? Clarke has his own "brilliant " past as well.

At the risk of invoking Godwin's Law, I can think of one other indivdual who used this technique of command. I mean hell, *I* use that technique at work now and then.
meh
meh
post #123 of 386
3/22/04 at 9:35am
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally posted by dmz
There have somehow been NO terrorist attacks in since 9/11 and Bush is some kind of evil buffoon?

I take that as a statement not a question . . .

"They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we."
--George W Bush

"Narrative is what starts to happen after eight minutes
--Franklin Miller.

"Nothing...

"They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we."
--George W Bush

"Narrative is what starts to happen after eight minutes
--Franklin Miller.

"Nothing...

post #124 of 386
3/22/04 at 9:36am
Quote:
Originally posted by dmz
....too much over-the-top inunendo. If Bush is doing a "horrible" job on terrorism how could you tell?

FYI, innuendo can't be over the top.

As for the second question: um, read the paper? Look at highly coordinated terrorist attacks all over the globe? Look at highly coordinated terrorist attacks at American targets in Iraq?
Gangs are not seen as legitimate, because they don't have control over public schools.
Gangs are not seen as legitimate, because they don't have control over public schools.
post #125 of 386
3/22/04 at 9:36am
faust 9:
You lost me..........there were sporadic attacks overseas before nailing America on 9/11.......

In our desire to impose form on the world we have lost the capacity to see the form that is there;
and in that lies not liberation but alienation, the cutting off from things as they really are. --...

In our desire to impose form on the world we have lost the capacity to see the form that is there;
and in that lies not liberation but alienation, the cutting off from things as they really are. --...

post #126 of 386
3/22/04 at 9:37am
Bush's two top advisors on terrorism leading up to 9.11 are now trying to get him out of office.
Quote:
Originally posted by dmz
If Bush is doing a "horrible" job on terrorism how could you tell?

Because the bush invaded Iraq and because large-scale terrorism is still very much alive and well (see: madrid). Not to mention that the top of al-qaeda is still unaccounted for.
post #127 of 386
3/22/04 at 9:38am
Quote:
Originally posted by dmz
You lost me..........there were sporadic attacks overseas before nailing America on 9/11.......

Wow, you did get lost there: the measure of how well Bush is doing against "terrah" is the situation ONCE HE'D NOTICED IT WAS A PROBLEM. Hence, my comments about coordinated attacks.
Gangs are not seen as legitimate, because they don't have control over public schools.
Gangs are not seen as legitimate, because they don't have control over public schools.
post #128 of 386
3/22/04 at 9:39am
Quote:
Originally posted by dmz
....too much over-the-top inunendo. If Bush is doing a "horrible" job on terrorism how could you tell?

There's no way that you and I can tell if he is or is not. Diverting time and attention to dethrone a two-bit dictator instead of focusing on the prize--OBL the figure-head leader of Al Qua'ida is strong indication though. The actual proof will be in the pudding so to say.

Personally, I'm not focusing on the administrations fight on terror. Its simplistic to think that anyother man would have acted much differently than Bush has with regards to terror except I believe few other presidents would have attacked Iraq as a means of reducing the threat of Al Qua'ida.
"[Saddam's] a bad guy. He's a terrible guy and he should go. But I don't think it's worth 800 troops dead, 4500 wounded -- some of them terribly -- $200 billion of our treasury and counting, and...




"[Saddam's] a bad guy. He's a terrible guy and he should go. But I don't think it's worth 800 troops dead, 4500 wounded -- some of them terribly -- $200 billion of our treasury and counting, and...




post #129 of 386
3/22/04 at 9:40am
Quote:
Originally posted by Harald
At the risk of invoking Godwin's Law, I can think of one other indivdual who used this technique of command. I mean hell, *I* use that technique at work now and then.

Too late I already invoked Goodwin.
"[Saddam's] a bad guy. He's a terrible guy and he should go. But I don't think it's worth 800 troops dead, 4500 wounded -- some of them terribly -- $200 billion of our treasury and counting, and...




"[Saddam's] a bad guy. He's a terrible guy and he should go. But I don't think it's worth 800 troops dead, 4500 wounded -- some of them terribly -- $200 billion of our treasury and counting, and...




post #130 of 386
3/22/04 at 9:42am
Quote:
Originally posted by giant
Bush's two top advisors on terrorism leading up to 9.11 are now trying to get him out of office.

Because the bush invaded Iraq and because large-scale terrorism is still very much alive and well (see: madrid). Not to mention that the top of al-qaeda is still unaccounted for.


Then the Israelies are really, really bad at the terror game. There might be an index as to the cunning of the opponent here.

annnnnnndddd......anybody who wants to imply that 9/11 attacks were believable before they occured is not being honest. Maybe one person in a million thought the al-Queada was capable of what they did---complete paradigm shift.

In our desire to impose form on the world we have lost the capacity to see the form that is there;
and in that lies not liberation but alienation, the cutting off from things as they really are. --...

In our desire to impose form on the world we have lost the capacity to see the form that is there;
and in that lies not liberation but alienation, the cutting off from things as they really are. --...

post #131 of 386
3/22/04 at 9:44am
Quote:
Originally posted by faust9
There's no way that you and I can tell if he is or is not.

Well, there is madrid
post #132 of 386
3/22/04 at 9:45am
Quote:
Originally posted by dmz
Then the Israelies are really, really bad at the terror game.

Yes. They are. If Israel and England have taught us one thing, it is this: shooting at terrorists doesn't make them go away.


Quote:
annnnnnndddd......anybody who wants to imply that 9/11 attacks were believable before they occured is not being honest. Maybe one person in a million thought the al-Queada was capable of what they did---complete paradigm shift.

No. WTC 93, USS Cole, Kenya.
Gangs are not seen as legitimate, because they don't have control over public schools.
Gangs are not seen as legitimate, because they don't have control over public schools.
post #133 of 386
3/22/04 at 9:46am
Quote:
Originally posted by dmz
anybody who wants to imply that 9/11 attacks were believable before they occured is not being honest. Maybe one person in a million thought the al-Queada was capable of what they did---complete paradigm shift.

Think again:

http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/timeline/index.html
post #134 of 386
3/22/04 at 9:46am
Quote:
Originally posted by faust9

Personally, I'm not focusing on the administrations fight on terror. Its simplistic to think that anyother man would have acted much differently than Bush has with regards to terror except I believe few other presidents would have attacked Iraq as a means of reducing the threat of Al Qua'ida.


That part I agree with---the enormous breauracracy in place would probably push any president the way Bush went .

In our desire to impose form on the world we have lost the capacity to see the form that is there;
and in that lies not liberation but alienation, the cutting off from things as they really are. --...

In our desire to impose form on the world we have lost the capacity to see the form that is there;
and in that lies not liberation but alienation, the cutting off from things as they really are. --...

post #135 of 386
3/22/04 at 9:48am
Quote:
Originally posted by dmz
faust 9:
You lost me..........there were sporadic attacks overseas before nailing America on 9/11.......


you made the statement

Quote:
There have somehow been NO terrorist attacks in since 9/11 and Bush is some kind of evil buffoon?

which, to me, implied that because we have not seen an attack on US soil or US goods by Al Qua'ida since 911 thus Bush is doing a good job. My question is if that is indeed the logic then how long does Al Qua'ida usually go between attacks anway. How do we know they are not waiting for some event such as a presidential election? We don't. We don't know if BushCo has forestalled any attacks or mitigated the danger of attacks.
"[Saddam's] a bad guy. He's a terrible guy and he should go. But I don't think it's worth 800 troops dead, 4500 wounded -- some of them terribly -- $200 billion of our treasury and counting, and...




"[Saddam's] a bad guy. He's a terrible guy and he should go. But I don't think it's worth 800 troops dead, 4500 wounded -- some of them terribly -- $200 billion of our treasury and counting, and...




post #136 of 386
3/22/04 at 9:50am
Quote:
Originally posted by giant
Well, there is madrid

There was also Bali.
"[Saddam's] a bad guy. He's a terrible guy and he should go. But I don't think it's worth 800 troops dead, 4500 wounded -- some of them terribly -- $200 billion of our treasury and counting, and...




"[Saddam's] a bad guy. He's a terrible guy and he should go. But I don't think it's worth 800 troops dead, 4500 wounded -- some of them terribly -- $200 billion of our treasury and counting, and...




post #137 of 386
3/22/04 at 9:50am
Quote:
Originally posted by midwinter
Yes. They are. If Israel and England have taught us one thing, it is this: shooting at terrorists doesn't make them go away.




No. WTC 93, USS Cole, Kenya.



Your not being honest, 9/11 COMPLETELY SHOCKED America. Car bombs are nothing like flying a plane into the Pentagon. Powell was visably shaken on television.

Just admit I'm right so I can go back to work.

In our desire to impose form on the world we have lost the capacity to see the form that is there;
and in that lies not liberation but alienation, the cutting off from things as they really are. --...

In our desire to impose form on the world we have lost the capacity to see the form that is there;
and in that lies not liberation but alienation, the cutting off from things as they really are. --...

post #138 of 386
3/22/04 at 9:53am
Quote:
Originally posted by faust9
you made the statement



which, to me, implied that because we have not seen an attack on US soil or US goods by Al Qua'ida since 911 thus Bush is doing a good job. My question is if that is indeed the logic then how long does Al Qua'ida usually go between attacks anway. How do we know they are not waiting for some event such as a presidential election? We don't. We don't know if BushCo has forestalled any attacks or mitigated the danger of attacks.


good question, but 2 1/2 years? It's ambigous, true---but then so is this thing with Bush's performance.

In our desire to impose form on the world we have lost the capacity to see the form that is there;
and in that lies not liberation but alienation, the cutting off from things as they really are. --...

In our desire to impose form on the world we have lost the capacity to see the form that is there;
and in that lies not liberation but alienation, the cutting off from things as they really are. --...

post #139 of 386
3/22/04 at 9:56am
Quote:
Originally posted by dmz
Your not being honest, 9/11 COMPLETELY SHOCKED America. Car bombs are nothing like flying a plane into the Pentagon. Powell was visably shaken on television.

Just admit I'm right so I can go back to work.

No, he has a point. Shooting wont make the bad men stop. The French learned that in Algeria. The Britsish have N.Irealand, The Russians had Afganastan, the Israelies have the palastinians, Spain has the Basque Seperatists... We have been shooting at terrorist since the term was first coined (during the French revolution). Socio-political changes are what make the bad men stop.
"[Saddam's] a bad guy. He's a terrible guy and he should go. But I don't think it's worth 800 troops dead, 4500 wounded -- some of them terribly -- $200 billion of our treasury and counting, and...




"[Saddam's] a bad guy. He's a terrible guy and he should go. But I don't think it's worth 800 troops dead, 4500 wounded -- some of them terribly -- $200 billion of our treasury and counting, and...




post #140 of 386
3/22/04 at 10:05am
Timeline:

Feb-1993 First attack of WTC
Aug-1998 Attack in Kenya
Oct-2000 Attack of the Cole
Sep-2001 Second attack of WTC


Al Qua'ida has been know to go significantly long periods without attacking the US.
"[Saddam's] a bad guy. He's a terrible guy and he should go. But I don't think it's worth 800 troops dead, 4500 wounded -- some of them terribly -- $200 billion of our treasury and counting, and...




"[Saddam's] a bad guy. He's a terrible guy and he should go. But I don't think it's worth 800 troops dead, 4500 wounded -- some of them terribly -- $200 billion of our treasury and counting, and...




post #141 of 386
3/22/04 at 10:05am
Quote:
Originally posted by faust9
No, he has a point. Shooting wont make the bad men stop. The French learned that in Algeria. The Britsish have N.Irealand, The Russians had Afganastan, the Israelies have the palastinians, Spain has the Basque Seperatists... We have been shooting at terrorist since the term was first coined (during the French revolution). Socio-political changes are what make the bad men stop.


shooting them---that's pretty problematic. I think the problem with that (although it throws you back to the "kill 'em all" option) is this underlying theme that America is a Great Evil force that exports porn, homosexuality, feminism, colonialism, etc. I don't think that if we abandoned the mideast that the harrasment would stop. Maybe the physical colonialism would end, but not the cultural.

The other problem is with Islam itself, undeluted, it does terrible things to economies---it is a mindset stuck at 650A.D. It hasn't had a reformation---and isn't really equiped for one. I think that there will be a showdown on some level in the future between that ideology and the ideology of the West, which is still fairly Christian in it's underpinnings.

In our desire to impose form on the world we have lost the capacity to see the form that is there;
and in that lies not liberation but alienation, the cutting off from things as they really are. --...

In our desire to impose form on the world we have lost the capacity to see the form that is there;
and in that lies not liberation but alienation, the cutting off from things as they really are. --...

post #142 of 386
3/22/04 at 10:42am
Quote:
Originally posted by dmz
shooting them---that's pretty problematic. I think the problem with that (although it throws you back to the "kill 'em all" option) is this underlying theme that America is a Great Evil force that exports porn, homosexuality, feminism, colonialism, etc. I don't think that if we abandoned the mideast that the harrasment would stop. Maybe the physical colonialism would end, but not the cultural.

We've (i.e. the Western world) been in the middle east in some form or other since the 12th century, and every time it's been as a colonizer. WWI is where the modern iteration of our occupation has its roots. Go watch Lawrence of Arabia or something to see what I'm talking about.

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The other problem is with Islam itself, undeluted, it does terrible things to economies---it is a mindset stuck at 650A.D. It hasn't had a reformation---and isn't really equiped for one. I think that there will be a showdown on some level in the future between that ideology and the ideology of the West, which is still fairly Christian in it's underpinnings.

What does "undiluted" mean? You're stuck in what is an essentially manichean view of the world (i.e. us vs them, good vs evil, right vs wrong, Xianity vs Islam). We're trying to explain the political situation to you, and all of us are making the point that it is reductive to say that they hate us because they're "evil-doers who hate freedom." This is a political war, not a religious one.

We saw step one of the Bush response (which I applauded) when he pulled our troops out of SA. THAT was what got OBL steamed in the first place, iirc.
Gangs are not seen as legitimate, because they don't have control over public schools.
Gangs are not seen as legitimate, because they don't have control over public schools.
post #143 of 386
3/22/04 at 10:54am
Quote:
Originally posted by midwinter
Go watch Lawrence of Arabia or something to see what I'm talking about.




seen it---I'm aware of how things got to the way they are in the mideast.
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it is reductive to say that they hate us because they're "evil-doers who hate freedom." This is a political war, not a religious one.


the "evil-doers who hate freedom" is really only for a simple minded audiance.

You can't separate the essentail underpinnings of Islam for any state that it gives birth to. Islam is not going to last as an idealogy as we move into the future. It will have to be diluted into some sort of neo-orthodox take or it will ultimately confilict with the West.

In our desire to impose form on the world we have lost the capacity to see the form that is there;
and in that lies not liberation but alienation, the cutting off from things as they really are. --...

In our desire to impose form on the world we have lost the capacity to see the form that is there;
and in that lies not liberation but alienation, the cutting off from things as they really are. --...

post #144 of 386
3/22/04 at 11:04am
Thread Starter 
Fundamaentalist Christianity has a history "of hating freedom" . . . is that the 'essential under-pinning' of our culture?

Look back at history . . . look to Spain before the Inquisition . . .Islam before teh Mongols sacked Baghdad . . .they were very advanced 'socio-culturally' . . much more so than Europe at the time
"They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we."
--George W Bush

"Narrative is what starts to happen after eight minutes
--Franklin Miller.

"Nothing...

"They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we."
--George W Bush

"Narrative is what starts to happen after eight minutes
--Franklin Miller.

"Nothing...

post #145 of 386
3/22/04 at 11:11am
true---quite true.


Until the Reformation, that is. Things have moved in different directions since then.


The submission aspects of Islam are problematic when you apply it to a govenrment.

In our desire to impose form on the world we have lost the capacity to see the form that is there;
and in that lies not liberation but alienation, the cutting off from things as they really are. --...

In our desire to impose form on the world we have lost the capacity to see the form that is there;
and in that lies not liberation but alienation, the cutting off from things as they really are. --...

post #146 of 386
3/22/04 at 1:20pm
Quote:
Originally posted by dmz
seen it---I'm aware of how things got to the way they are in the mideast.

Good.

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the "evil-doers who hate freedom" is really only for a simple minded audiance.

Indeed. So is the notion that this is a battle of good versus evil.

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You can't separate the essentail underpinnings of Islam for any state that it gives birth to.

Turkey.

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Islam is not going to last as an idealogy as we move into the future. It will have to be diluted into some sort of neo-orthodox take or it will ultimately confilict with the West.

All religions must be diluted to some degree if they are to wield any political power outside of an hermetically sealed and very small locality. Christianity did this by absorbing the traditions of older, pagan religions (solstice and equinox celebrations, iconography, etc).

As for Islam coming into conflict with the West...I would suggest that it's the other way around. It is the West that has, for centuries now, gone after Islam--largely for political reasons having to do with the region, its location, and its natural resources.
Gangs are not seen as legitimate, because they don't have control over public schools.
Gangs are not seen as legitimate, because they don't have control over public schools.
post #147 of 386
3/22/04 at 1:55pm
Your with us or against us.

http://slate.msn.com/id/2097369/
"[Saddam's] a bad guy. He's a terrible guy and he should go. But I don't think it's worth 800 troops dead, 4500 wounded -- some of them terribly -- $200 billion of our treasury and counting, and...




"[Saddam's] a bad guy. He's a terrible guy and he should go. But I don't think it's worth 800 troops dead, 4500 wounded -- some of them terribly -- $200 billion of our treasury and counting, and...




post #148 of 386
3/22/04 at 2:26pm
So Slate is campaigning for Kerry now huh?
post #149 of 386
3/22/04 at 3:11pm
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Originally posted by Scott
So Slate is campaigning for Kerry now huh?

I guess Slate is now "against us" too eh?
post #150 of 386
3/22/04 at 3:11pm
Quote:
Originally posted by dmz

The submission aspects of Islam are problematic when you apply it to a govenrment.

Exactly, I would extend this to any religion.

Separation of Church and State for the providence of a secular government which ensures pluralism among all diverse peoples is the ideal form of government for those who value individual liberty and freedom I would argue.

Fellows
May the peace of the Lord be with you always

Share your smile, Have respect for others, and be loving to all peoples

Paul in Athens: Acts 17 : 16-34
May the peace of the Lord be with you always

Share your smile, Have respect for others, and be loving to all peoples

Paul in Athens: Acts 17 : 16-34
post #151 of 386
3/22/04 at 3:42pm
I meant it more as Islam, being unitarian, really pushes itself toward statism---and then mystisism, since "oneness is primary"---being abosrbed into "the One" is a natural goal.

I'm not certain there is a happy ending in those sorts of tendencies.

In our desire to impose form on the world we have lost the capacity to see the form that is there;
and in that lies not liberation but alienation, the cutting off from things as they really are. --...

In our desire to impose form on the world we have lost the capacity to see the form that is there;
and in that lies not liberation but alienation, the cutting off from things as they really are. --...

post #152 of 386
3/22/04 at 4:33pm
Well, because anyone who posts here has to define every single word that he/she types. Let me say it a little differently:

It is not smart going through life not knowing who your enemies are.

Hamas has now blamed the US for the bombing and killing of the Hamas leader, despite all of the effort the US has put forth on their behalf.

They have now publicly announced that they will now target US and it's interests as if it was Israel.

I suppose that is Bush's fault also. Welcome to post 9/11. I predict car bombs will start becoming more and more common here in the US.

I guess we should take a time out to understand their feelings about us. I hope you don't live near a big city.

Yay for us.
post #153 of 386
3/22/04 at 4:52pm
Quote:
Originally posted by NaplesX
Well, because anyone who posts here has to define every single word that he/she types. Let me say it a little differently:

It is not smart going through life not knowing who your enemies are.

Hamas has now blamed the US for the bombing and killing of the Hamas leader, despite all of the effort the US has put forth on their behalf.

They have now publicly announced that they will now target US and it's interests as if it was Israel.

I suppose that is Bush's fault also. Welcome to post 9/11. I predict car bombs will start becoming more and more common here in the US.

I guess we should take a time out to understand their feelings about us. I hope you don't live near a big city.

Yay for us.

Sources?

Has there been a change in the candy-strip alert system?
"[Saddam's] a bad guy. He's a terrible guy and he should go. But I don't think it's worth 800 troops dead, 4500 wounded -- some of them terribly -- $200 billion of our treasury and counting, and...




"[Saddam's] a bad guy. He's a terrible guy and he should go. But I don't think it's worth 800 troops dead, 4500 wounded -- some of them terribly -- $200 billion of our treasury and counting, and...




post #154 of 386
3/22/04 at 4:55pm
Quote:
Originally posted by faust9
Sources?

Has there been a change in the candy-strip alert system?

Do a goofle search. I am the source of my own opinions. That last post aside from the hamas part was my opinion.
post #155 of 386
3/22/04 at 5:04pm
Quote:
Originally posted by NaplesX
Do a goofle search. I am the source of my own opinions. That last post aside from the hamas part was my opinion.

Well if your going to state fact then why don't you source it? The Hamas part by your own admission was a statement of fact.
"[Saddam's] a bad guy. He's a terrible guy and he should go. But I don't think it's worth 800 troops dead, 4500 wounded -- some of them terribly -- $200 billion of our treasury and counting, and...




"[Saddam's] a bad guy. He's a terrible guy and he should go. But I don't think it's worth 800 troops dead, 4500 wounded -- some of them terribly -- $200 billion of our treasury and counting, and...




post #156 of 386
3/22/04 at 5:08pm
Quote:
Originally posted by faust9
Sources?

Has there been a change in the candy-strip alert system?

I appologise, I just figured that all the news sources would cover the threats from hamas toward the US.

I saw a blurb on fox today with a hamas leader and then the WH press secy. since it was fox I can't use it as a link for fear of being labeled stupid and right wing, so when the rest of the press catches up I guess you will get the news.

I goofled and found no mention of the threat itself. I guess the maket reacting to the news means nothing also. But they must watch fox there because like I said I can't find a mention of the actual threat by hamas.

I will continue to look.
post #157 of 386
3/22/04 at 5:30pm
one link

Fellows
May the peace of the Lord be with you always

Share your smile, Have respect for others, and be loving to all peoples

Paul in Athens: Acts 17 : 16-34
May the peace of the Lord be with you always

Share your smile, Have respect for others, and be loving to all peoples

Paul in Athens: Acts 17 : 16-34
post #158 of 386
3/22/04 at 5:54pm
Is Viacom based out of Kt.? so much inbreeding so little time, the S&S bush-bash books get 60 Min. fluff with NO disclosure of the relationship, Leslie stall is no longer a news person, she is a book pusher.

As for Richard Clarke: this guy is a liar. The Vice President said in a national radio interview today that he (the author) was out of the loop, he was pushed aside by Condi Rice and DEMOTED to some piss-on computer virus czar thing, thus he had a score to settle. and Kerry being out of the spotlight on vacation all week. happy coincident, i doubt it, the pieces fit so well.
You can't quantify how much I don't care -- Bob Kevoian of the Bob and Tom Show.
You can't quantify how much I don't care -- Bob Kevoian of the Bob and Tom Show.
post #159 of 386
3/22/04 at 6:04pm
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Originally posted by a_greer
Is Viacom based out of Kt.? so much inbreeding so little time, the S&S bush-bash books get 60 Min. fluff with NO disclosure of the relationship, Leslie stall is no longer a news person, she is a book pusher.

As for Richard Clarke: this guy is a liar. The Vice President said in a national radio interview today that he (the author) was out of the loop, he was pushed aside by Condi Rice and DEMOTED to some piss-on computer virus czar thing, thus he had a score to settle. and Kerry being out of the spotlight on vacation all week. happy coincident, i doubt it, the pieces fit so well.

I think it is WV, hah.
post #160 of 386
3/22/04 at 6:08pm
Quote:
Originally posted by a_greer
Is Viacom based out of Kt.? so much inbreeding so little time, the S&S bush-bash books get 60 Min. fluff with NO disclosure of the relationship, Leslie stall is no longer a news person, she is a book pusher.

As for Richard Clarke: this guy is a liar. The Vice President said in a national radio interview today that he (the author) was out of the loop, he was pushed aside by Condi Rice and DEMOTED to some piss-on computer virus czar thing, thus he had a score to settle. and Kerry being out of the spotlight on vacation all week. happy coincident, i doubt it, the pieces fit so well.

On RUSH LIMBAUGH'S SHOW, actually.

You know this whole line that clarke was "demoted" is misguided. the real issue here is that bush didn't think terrorism was important enough to warrant a cabinet-level position. the whole position was demoted, not just clarke. And he performed the same duties- he was still the counter-terrorism czar- cyberterrorism was just one of his pet issues.

If people could just get the facts straight for ONCE!
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