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post #241 of 386
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Originally posted by FormerLurker
Then name some names... give us the names of "disgruntled" senior officials who spoke out against the Clinton administration after being a part of it. Names, links, facts, instead of "there must me lots", "I bet there are plenty", etc.

Hey, we're already letting you get away with Defending Bush By Attacking Clinton, and "I bet" it's at least the 11th time that's happened.

Vince Foster, Ron Brown, Les Aspin, Mary Mahoney, Herschell Friday, Charles Meissner.

No wait my mistake they did not have time to be disgruntled, they all died suddenly and mysteriously.

Maybe I am wrong maybe there are no disgruntled Clinton people... still alive.
post #242 of 386
OMFG!!! I have now decided to never read another word from you Naples. This assertion that the Clinton Administration hired hitmen to take out three "squeeky Wheels" is simply the most hairbrained idea ever. The mods can ban me for days weeks or months for my comments but hopefully they will see the truth. CLINTON DID NOT HIRE DEATH SQUADS TO QUIET IS DETRACTORS. If he had, there would be a whole lot more..... Jesus man what are you thinking?
"[Saddam's] a bad guy. He's a terrible guy and he should go. But I don't think it's worth 800 troops dead, 4500 wounded -- some of them terribly -- $200 billion of our treasury and counting, and...
"[Saddam's] a bad guy. He's a terrible guy and he should go. But I don't think it's worth 800 troops dead, 4500 wounded -- some of them terribly -- $200 billion of our treasury and counting, and...
post #243 of 386
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Originally posted by dmz
This is 2-3, 3 1/2 out of.....?

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Office of Combating Terrorism

Richard A._Clarke (2001)

Gen. Wayne A._Downing (2001-2002)

Gen. John A._Gordon (2002-2003 )

John B._Craig (2001-2002)

Rand_Beers (2002-2003)

Frances Fragos_Townsend (2003- )

http://www.americanpresident.org/his.../h_index.shtml

Remember, these are senior Bush officials.
post #244 of 386
Thread Starter 
[about naplesX's recent post]

That is so funny Iiterally can't stop laughing!!!!

he heh



this puts it all in perspective . . . this explains why it wopuld take more that Dick Cheney coming out against the Admin . . or even Bush 41 (even though it is pretty well known what he thinks about this Iraq fiasco) this guy just will believe Bush is heavenly no matter what!!

oh . . . and of course, that Clinton was evil and bad and a mafiosa hitman too . . .

I guess that's a wrap then . . .

and anybody else (such as dmz) maybe you should look at the logic that your compatriot here is using and become a little self-reflective about your own positions W/re: to Bush's terror history . . .

"They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we."
--George W Bush

"Narrative is what starts to happen after eight minutes
--Franklin Miller.

"Nothing...

"They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we."
--George W Bush

"Narrative is what starts to happen after eight minutes
--Franklin Miller.

"Nothing...

post #245 of 386
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Originally posted by faust9
OMFG!!! I have now decided to never read another word from you Naples. This assertion that the Clinton Administration hired hitmen to take out three "squeeky Wheels" is simply the most hairbrained idea ever. The mods can ban me for days weeks or months for my comments but hopefully they will see the truth. CLINTON DID NOT HIRE DEATH SQUADS TO QUIET IS DETRACTORS. If he had, there would be a whole lot more..... Jesus man what are you thinking?

Yeah, talk about a double standard. The bush admin is infallible, but Clinton had death squads killing his own staff.
post #246 of 386
So did anybody just see the Daily Show? They put video of McLellan and Rice side by side to show that they were working off the same script, even at times saying the exact same lines word for word.
post #247 of 386
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Originally posted by giant
So did anybody see the Daily Show? They put video of McLellan and Rice side by side to show that they were working off the same script, even at times saying the exact same lines word for word.

I love the daily show because they are kind enough to point out political silliness.
"[Saddam's] a bad guy. He's a terrible guy and he should go. But I don't think it's worth 800 troops dead, 4500 wounded -- some of them terribly -- $200 billion of our treasury and counting, and...
"[Saddam's] a bad guy. He's a terrible guy and he should go. But I don't think it's worth 800 troops dead, 4500 wounded -- some of them terribly -- $200 billion of our treasury and counting, and...
post #248 of 386
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Originally posted by faust9
OMFG!!! I have now decided to never read another word from you Naples. This assertion that the Clinton Administration hired hitmen to take out three "squeeky Wheels" is simply the most hairbrained idea ever. The mods can ban me for days weeks or months for my comments but hopefully they will see the truth. CLINTON DID NOT HIRE DEATH SQUADS TO QUIET IS DETRACTORS. If he had, there would be a whole lot more..... Jesus man what are you thinking?

I did not say any of that, I just did some research about people that worked in the admin and these names came up. They all died mysteriously also. Draw what conclusion you like.

I was simply bringing up that I am still looking for live disgruntled clinton officials. There has to be a couple right?

I'm still looking.

Oh yeah, there is Dick Mooris. That is one.
post #249 of 386
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Originally posted by pfflam

and anybody else (such as dmz) maybe you should look at the logic that your compatriot here is using and become a little self-reflective about your own positions W/re: to Bush's terror history . . .



You guys have gotten yourselves whipped into a feeding frenzy here, it's a bit like trying to orient someone with demensia (not possible). Naples falling "for it" has only added a few more funhouse mirrors.

I would look at where your "reasoning" is leading you---a conclusion that is irrational.

In our desire to impose form on the world we have lost the capacity to see the form that is there;
and in that lies not liberation but alienation, the cutting off from things as they really are. --...

In our desire to impose form on the world we have lost the capacity to see the form that is there;
and in that lies not liberation but alienation, the cutting off from things as they really are. --...

post #250 of 386
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Originally posted by giant
We aren't talking about disgruntled employees, we are talking about multiple senior officials with ~30 years average experience each under multiple administrations (both repub and democrat) stating very specific things about the bush administration. And they are all saying the same thing.

And not only that, we have two of Bush's (note the name) chief advisors on counter-terrorism saying that the bush admin has done the war on terror completely wrong.

Not one. Two.

And the fact is that both were considered by the Bush admin to be the individuals best equipped to combat terrorism.

They are also both individuals that were political appointees under 3 Republican administrations (including both Bush administrations) and 1 democratic one.

Then we have a cabinet secretary, who was also member of the NSC, as well as multiple other members of the admin.

All are saying the same thing.

Now, no one is saying these people are infallible, but we are far past the point of blowing this off.
post #251 of 386
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Originally posted by pfflam
[about naplesX's recent post]

That is so funny Iiterally can't stop laughing!!!!

he heh



this puts it all in perspective . . . this explains why it wopuld take more that Dick Cheney coming out against the Admin . . or even Bush 41 (even though it is pretty well known what he thinks about this Iraq fiasco) this guy just will believe Bush is heavenly no matter what!!

oh . . . and of course, that Clinton was evil and bad and a mafiosa hitman too . . .

I guess that's a wrap then . . .

and anybody else (such as dmz) maybe you should look at the logic that your compatriot here is using and become a little self-reflective about your own positions W/re: to Bush's terror history . . .


It was meant to be kinda funny, you guys are so easy to get up into a tizzy.

I didn't even mention people like :

C. Victor Raiser II
Montgomery Raiser
Paul Tulley
Ed Willey

Because they did not even serve while he was president, that I know of. So they didn't apply here.

Get a sense of humor.
post #252 of 386
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Originally posted by NaplesX

Oh yeah, there is Dick Mooris. That is one.

You mean, Dick Morris?

He was NEVER an official of the Clinton administration. He was a political advisor to Clinton's campaign.

BIG difference.

He quit after the '96 campaign to write a book on how he helped Clinton get elected by positioning himself as a middle-of-the-Road Democrat.

So, he also wrote a book... for which Clarke has been criticized several times.

Morris is currently a political analyst for Fox News Channel - much more impressive and nonpartisan than teaching a course at Harvard, right?

Next comes something called a link, which I found from someplace called Google (it probably works better than that goofle thing you keep talking about). You will be able to click it and then I won't be asking you to believe everything above is true, just 'cause I say it is. Your arguments would be much better received if you could include such things along with them.

Fox News Bio on Dick Morris
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post #253 of 386
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Originally posted by NaplesX
Get a sense of humor.

Have you even looked into any of those?

You know, a couple years ago I researched these to see if there was anything to them. There wasn't. For example, the first two in the second list died in an accident due to the pilot's insulin deficiency.
post #254 of 386
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Originally posted by FormerLurker
He was NEVER an official of the Clinton administration. He was a political advisor to Clinton's campaign.

BIG difference.[/URL]

To put it lightly.

Comparing a cabinet secretary, 2 chief terrorism advisors and a slew of individuals from the state dept and pentagon to a campaign advisor?
post #255 of 386
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Originally posted by giant


You know, a couple year ago I researched these to see if there was anything to them. There wasn't. For example, the first two in the second list died in an accident due to the pilot's insulin deficiency.

EXACTLY! Don't you see? The Clinton blackops team switched the pilot's insulin vial with a placebo! My God, the truth is staring you right in the face, why don't you just admit it???

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post #256 of 386
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Originally posted by FormerLurker
EXACTLY! Don't you see? The Clinton blackops team switched the pilot's insulin vial with a placebo! My God, the truth is staring you right in the face, why don't you just admit it???


How could I have been so blind?!

Bush 2004: "It's Not My Fault"
post #257 of 386
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Originally posted by giant
Have you even looked into any of those?

You know, a couple years ago I researched these to see if there was anything to them. There wasn't. For example, the first two in the second list died in an accident due to the pilot's insulin deficiency.

Not to continue this insanity but I can't resist.

You got this info on their cause of death from where?
post #258 of 386
"The pure and simple truth is rarely pure and never simple."

--Oscar Wilde

In our desire to impose form on the world we have lost the capacity to see the form that is there;
and in that lies not liberation but alienation, the cutting off from things as they really are. --...

In our desire to impose form on the world we have lost the capacity to see the form that is there;
and in that lies not liberation but alienation, the cutting off from things as they really are. --...

post #259 of 386
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Originally posted by NaplesX
Not to continue this insanity but I can't resist.

You got this info on their cause of death from where?

http://www.ntsb.gov/NTSB/brief.asp?e...11X15018&key=1

But, hey, why not just let snopes explain it all:

http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/outrage/clinton.htm

Long story short, the clinton body count conspiracy is a bunch of crap and along the same lines as aliens controlling the government.
post #260 of 386
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Originally posted by dmz
You guys have gotten yourselves whipped into a feeding frenzy here, it's a bit like trying to orient someone with demensia (not possible). Naples falling "for it" has only added a few more funhouse mirrors.

I would look at where your "reasoning" is leading you---a conclusion that is irrational.

I haven't exactly fallen for it. It is much like watching a 3 stooges episode. It amuses me to no end. I know I should turn it off because it is childish humor but I can't.
post #261 of 386
This thread is too funny. Is there a way to save it for future generations??? This is priceless.

Anyways, I have resisted posting anymore(until now)for obvious reasons. It's become "painful" to read.
It feels like I'm watching a worse than bad Rocky type movie. A guy is royally getting his *ss kicked in the ring, face completely deformed, eyes completely shut, bloodied face, teeth missing...lying on the floor unable to get up...yet still mustering enough strength to mutter..."is that all you got? you hit like a girl! come here you ****y! you ain't got nothing on me...come here!"

By the way, what's that "goofle" you're all talking about? It's not working for me.

P.S I should clarify....painfully funny to read.
post #262 of 386
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Originally posted by giant
http://www.ntsb.gov/NTSB/brief.asp?e...11X15018&key=1

But, hey, why not just let snopes explain it all:

http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/outrage/clinton.htm

You see I also extensively researched the "Clinton Body Count" (which is up to around 85 now) along with numerous other Cli9nton/Arkansas/Mena/INSLAW/Rose Law Firm/Raidy/DER/ARKLA...bla, bla, bla, incestuous spider-web of shady dealings. So this is a subject that I know a lot about, so do not pull your "you need to educate yourself" stuff, please.

Both Clinton's were far from innocent bystanders throughout all of that if you did any research you would know that. But that is way off subject and I really did not want to open that can of worms, so I'll drop it now.

You see, I asked you that question because I knew you were going to quote a federal agency of the government you proclaim is so incompetent.

Now I see why you do not want Clinton brought up. My bad.
post #263 of 386
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Originally posted by Gilsch
This thread is too funny. Is there a way to save it for future generations??? This is priceless.

Anyways, I have resisted posting anymore(until now)for obvious reasons. It's become "painful" to read.
It feels like I'm watching a worse than bad Rocky type movie. A guy is royally getting his *ss kicked in the ring, face completely deformed, eyes completely shut, bloodied face, teeth missing...lying on the floor unable to get up...yet still mustering enough strength to mutter..."is that all you got? you hit like a girl! come here you ****y! you ain't got nothing on me...come here!"

By the way, what's that "goofle" you're all talking about? It's not working for me.

P.S I should clarify....painfully funny to read.



Clinton was controlled by martians, Gilsch. Don't you know?
post #264 of 386
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Originally posted by Gilsch
This thread is too funny. Is there a way to save it for future generations??? This is priceless.

Anyways, I have resisted posting anymore(until now)for obvious reasons. It's become "painful" to read.
It feels like I'm watching a worse than bad Rocky type movie. A guy is royally getting his *ss kicked in the ring, face completely deformed, eyes completely shut, bloodied face, teeth missing...lying on the floor unable to get up...yet still mustering enough strength to mutter..."is that all you got? you hit like a girl! come here you ****y! you ain't got nothing on me...come here!"

By the way, what's that "goofle" you're all talking about? It's not working for me.

P.S I should clarify....painfully funny to read.

The "goofle" reference is google. I mistyped it once and liked the sound of it so i adopted goofle as a substitute for google.

I was mocking everyone that thinks google is the end all be all when it comes to authoritative sourcing. That is all that is about. Don't get me wrong I think it is a great tool for getting info, but just that, one tool.
post #265 of 386
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Originally posted by NaplesX
I haven't exactly fallen for it. It is much like watching a 3 stooges episode. It amuses me to no end. I know I should turn it off because it is childish humor but I can't.


....you're a better man than me, Gunga Din!

In our desire to impose form on the world we have lost the capacity to see the form that is there;
and in that lies not liberation but alienation, the cutting off from things as they really are. --...

In our desire to impose form on the world we have lost the capacity to see the form that is there;
and in that lies not liberation but alienation, the cutting off from things as they really are. --...

post #266 of 386
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Originally posted by NaplesX
[B]You see I also extensively researched the "Clinton Body Count" (which is up to around 85 now) along with numerous other Cli9nton/Arkansas/Mena/INSLAW/Rose Law Firm/Raidy/DER/ARKLA...bla, bla, bla, incestuous spider-web of shady dealings. So this is a subject that I know a lot about, so do not pull your "you need to educate yourself" stuff, please.

I'm amazed that you can say that despite the fact that name after name on the CBC list is debunked at the Snopes site (see the LINK above for reference). Apparently you didn't bother to follow the LINK referenced above that says what you say is completely wrong.

Once again with the facts that we are supposed to believe because you say you know them to be true. Please dazzle us with some LINKS, o educated one...
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post #267 of 386
...it's just that the pre 9/11 logic here is starting to take on glue-sniffing proportions---I'm getting visions of Lloyd Bridges in the control tower in AIRPLANE.

In our desire to impose form on the world we have lost the capacity to see the form that is there;
and in that lies not liberation but alienation, the cutting off from things as they really are. --...

In our desire to impose form on the world we have lost the capacity to see the form that is there;
and in that lies not liberation but alienation, the cutting off from things as they really are. --...

post #268 of 386
Quote:
Originally posted by Gilsch
This thread is too funny. Is there a way to save it for future generations??? This is priceless.

Anyways, I have resisted posting anymore(until now)for obvious reasons. It's become "painful" to read.
It feels like I'm watching a worse than bad Rocky type movie. A guy is royally getting his *ss kicked in the ring, face completely deformed, eyes completely shut, bloodied face, teeth missing...lying on the floor unable to get up...yet still mustering enough strength to mutter..."is that all you got? you hit like a girl! come here you ****y! you ain't got nothing on me...come here!"

By the way, what's that "goofle" you're all talking about? It's not working for me.

P.S I should clarify....painfully funny to read.

I find it funny how words are put into my mouth and thoughts into my head. And everyone here seems to have this psychic ability to know what I am all about and exactly why I post what I do and what party affiliation I have or don't have. The fact that they know better than me is cool too.

For the first month or two that I read these posts I got mad, then after that I started really observing people and their reaction to certain things and now I am totally amazed at the pure humor doled out in overabundance here in AO.

I will admit that I help it along sometimes for selfish reasons, namely entertainment.
post #269 of 386

OMG! Naples is right!
post #270 of 386
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Originally posted by dmz
...it's just that the pre 9/11 logic here is starting to take on glue-sniffing proportions---I'm getting visions of Lloyd Bridges in the control tower in AIRPLANE.

Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit smoking. Funny stuff alright - hey, cool we agree on one thing!

Make that two things... there is definitely some glue sniffing going on around here.
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post #271 of 386
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Originally posted by dmz
First and formost I am not, a "dude".

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....you're a better man than me, Gunga Din!

Ok, make up your mind. Man or woman?
post #272 of 386
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Originally posted by FormerLurker
I'm amazed that you can say that despite the fact that name after name on the CBC list is debunked at the Snopes site (see the LINK above for reference). Apparently you didn't bother to follow the LINK referenced above that says what you say is completely wrong.

Once again with the facts that we are supposed to believe because you say you know them to be true. Please dazzle us with some LINKS, o educated one...

I don't want to dazzle you. And quite frankly, you will never be dazzled by anything that I show you, because you probably have your mind set against me because of your self-afflicted preconceptions of me. So why bother, this whole thread is left vs. right from it's inception. You being whatever and me being labeled right because I don't agree with the notion of the thread.

Almost every time I or anyone posts a link, no matter how valid it is "debunked" by a flurry of "links", meanwhile no-one here is trying to get to the bottom of anything. I find that most people just want to argue and declare themselves being "right". Look at giant, has he ever been wrong, if he has I haven't seen it, of course I am fairly new to these parts. How about jimmac? I mean, is that possible?

I am not an intellectual giant, nor do I want to be. But I know the smell of dogshit when I smell it and I know not to eat yellow snow. But neither matters here.
post #273 of 386
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Originally posted by FormerLurker
I'm amazed that you can say that despite the fact that name after name on the CBC list is debunked at the Snopes site (see the LINK above for reference). Apparently you didn't bother to follow the LINK referenced above that says what you say is completely wrong.

I love how snopes puts it:
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We shouldn't have to tell anyone not to believe this claptrap, but we will anyway.
post #274 of 386
Naples, why don't you just admit that you can't provide any credible links that are more than fringe conspiracy theory sites?

You don't have to be an intellectual giant to Google. Look at the Google page of top hits - other than Snopes, I see nothing but fringe sites like etherzone.com, warroom.com, apfm.org

here's a few real gems....
http://undercats.com/dlink.html
http://www.handpen.com/Bio/clintonbodycount.htm

So yeah, if you are going to put up links to sites like these, they will be debunked. If you've got anything more credible (and I would hope so, if you are going to call the Snopes site as wrong and warroom.com as right), then post it.

Most of us post links to support things we assert to be fact and you are free to try debunk them if you want. Your reason for not posting links sounds pretty shallow - if posters ganging up on you bothered you so much, you'd quit posting. I suspect that the real reason you don't post links to support your "facts", or to debunk the links of others, is that you simply... can't.
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post #275 of 386
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Originally posted by FormerLurker
here's a few real gems....
http://undercats.com/dlink.html
http://www.handpen.com/Bio/clintonbodycount.htm

LMAO. Those sites are "cute". I think the people who own those sites must be disgruntled angry people that couldn't get a job at Weekly World News.
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So yeah, if you are going to put up links to sites like these, they will be debunked. If you've got anything more credible then post it.

Hey! Don't spoil our fun. I love those Jerry Springer-ish/National Enquirer sites. That's entertainment baby!
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I suspect that the real reason you don't post links to support your "facts", or to debunk the links of others, is that you simply... can't.

ding ding ding ding ding ding.
post #276 of 386
Hey, don't slander the national enquirer!!! Who do you think broke the Jessie Jackson story? Now there's a reputable rag.
"[Saddam's] a bad guy. He's a terrible guy and he should go. But I don't think it's worth 800 troops dead, 4500 wounded -- some of them terribly -- $200 billion of our treasury and counting, and...
"[Saddam's] a bad guy. He's a terrible guy and he should go. But I don't think it's worth 800 troops dead, 4500 wounded -- some of them terribly -- $200 billion of our treasury and counting, and...
post #277 of 386
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Originally posted by FormerLurker
Naples, why don't you just admit that you can't provide any credible links that are more than fringe conspiracy theory sites?

You don't have to be an intellectual giant to Google. Look at the Google page of top hits - other than Snopes, I see nothing but fringe sites like etherzone.com, warroom.com, apfm.org

here's a few real gems....
http://undercats.com/dlink.html
http://www.handpen.com/Bio/clintonbodycount.htm

So yeah, if you are going to put up links to sites like these, they will be debunked. If you've got anything more credible (and I would hope so, if you are going to call the Snopes site as wrong and warroom.com as right), then post it.

Most of us post links to support things we assert to be fact and you are free to try debunk them if you want. Your reason for not posting links sounds pretty shallow - if posters ganging up on you bothered you so much, you'd quit posting. I suspect that the real reason you don't post links to support your "facts", or to debunk the links of others, is that you simply... can't.

Well like i said, it matters not what I post, it will be so-called "debunked" for one reason or another, no matter how trivial. You know it, I know it. So let's not fool ourselves here.

I don't know about all of the sites that you quote except one. That would be warroom.com. It is the website of a Pittsburgh morning talk show. It has been around for a long while and I listened to it for 3 years when I lived in Pitt and I would not call it a conspiracy website. It is more along the lines of Sean Hannity or Rush Limbaugh and the host is pretty credible. So if that is how you judge sources, that just proves my point.

As far as the CBC thing goes no self respecting person believes the things you guys have accused me of, but that really doesn't matter now that the AO experts have spoken. You know who i am talking about. The CBC is a very enlightening list and is worth looking at if only for information purposes. The whole Clinton/Arkansas Mafia/Mena/.... thing is also very eye opening and exposes the sheer and blatant corruption in Arkansas government during at last the last 30-40 years there. Clinton or his wife is at least indirectly connected to so many shady things that it would blow your mind. Many books have been written on it so why take it from me, I am just one of those alien conspiracy freaks.

But that is a discussion for another time and no-one really cares about that now that a really bad guy is in office and he has to be ejected. That's OK go about your Bush bashing.
post #278 of 386
Aaaaand.....

Feast your eyes on the Bush Body Count
They spoke of the sayings and doings of their commander, the grand duke, and told stories of his kindness and irascibility.
They spoke of the sayings and doings of their commander, the grand duke, and told stories of his kindness and irascibility.
post #279 of 386
Thread Starter 
BTW, Salon has an interview with Clarke.

Too tired to go through it for good parts right now.

If you don't know about getting the Salon Premium' it is very easy, no e-mails and takes a few seconds then you can read the whole article.
"They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we."
--George W Bush

"Narrative is what starts to happen after eight minutes
--Franklin Miller.

"Nothing...

"They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we."
--George W Bush

"Narrative is what starts to happen after eight minutes
--Franklin Miller.

"Nothing...

post #280 of 386
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Originally posted by addabox
Aaaaand.....

Feast your eyes on the Bush Body Count

What is your point?

This could just as easily be called "Congress Body Count" or "UN Failure Body Count".

The best description would be "SH Body Count"

But hey I don't want to post any "linkies" from a google search, so I have to be totally wrong in my thinking. That is the predominant think here right?
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