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iMac CRT x2 (current form factor, 700 MHz G3)
iMac LCD x2 (all new LCD form factor, 800 MHz G3)
Speed bumped TiBooks (667, 733, 800 MHz G4)
Speed bumped iBooks (700 MHz G3)
Powermac G4 SDRAMx2 (867, 933 MHz G4)
Powermac G4 DDRRAMx2 (1 GHz, 1 GHz Dual)

So, the "Big Deal" is that Apple is going to upgrade all of the products.

Evidence:

-EOL iMacs and low speed iBooks at various outlets
-rebates on slowest TiBooks
-Powermacs not EOL, which means that some Powermacs will not look like significant upgrades, but Apple will want to get some more dualies and DDRRAM in the mix

As for other things, I think we'll see the elusive iPhoto, and an Apple-branded Firewire digital camera to complement it. We'll also the next generation of Firewire.

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You probaly used I can't beleave it's not goat entrails. Fool, steve will smite you.
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I think it is a desktop show.

Extremely little, if anything, will be made of the portables.

Not until at least Tokyo and even then I would only expect a speed/feature bump at best.

Its the year of the desktop machines.
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Actually, suckfuldotcom is probably closer than any of us want to admit.



I think Apple's definition of "big" is a far cry from many of us are considering "big".

New iMac will probably take center stage. I never believed G5s were in the cards, so there will, instead, be GHz-busting G4s (hey, only ABOUT TIME...) and some other little things (new iApp, retail store discussion/report, iPod gloating/demo, reps from Adobe, Microsoft, etc.)

I'm purposely trying to keep my expectations low and in check. That way, I'll be genuinely surprised and elated at any wild-ass "G4 iMac with SuperDrive!" unveiling.

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[quote]Originally posted by suckfuldotcom:
<strong>iMac CRT x2 (current form factor, 700 MHz G3)
iMac LCD x2 (all new LCD form factor, 800 MHz G3)
Speed bumped TiBooks (667, 733, 800 MHz G4)
Speed bumped iBooks (700 MHz G3)
Powermac G4 SDRAMx2 (867, 933 MHz G4)
Powermac G4 DDRRAMx2 (1 GHz, 1 GHz Dual)

So, the "Big Deal" is that Apple is going to upgrade all of the products.

Evidence:

-EOL iMacs and low speed iBooks at various outlets
-rebates on slowest TiBooks
-Powermacs not EOL, which means that some Powermacs will not look like significant upgrades, but Apple will want to get some more dualies and DDRRAM in the mix

As for other things, I think we'll see the elusive iPhoto, and an Apple-branded Firewire digital camera to complement it. We'll also the next generation of Firewire.

SdC</strong><hr></blockquote>

That seems reasonable compared to most of the hogwash I've been reading in here for the past month.

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post #6 of 28
SfD you're full of monkey spunk! Your website sucks and so do you!


Boo on SfD, boo on his predictions!


SfD, you're a communist!!

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[quote]
iMac CRT x2 (current form factor, 700 MHz G3)
iMac LCD x2 (all new LCD form factor, 800 MHz G3)
Speed bumped TiBooks (667, 733, 800 MHz G4)
Speed bumped iBooks (700 MHz G3)
Powermac G4 SDRAMx2 (867, 933 MHz G4)
Powermac G4 DDRRAMx2 (1 GHz, 1 GHz Dual)

So, the "Big Deal" is that Apple is going to upgrade all of the products.
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No, the laptops will not be touched. If so, then the Titanium wouldn't have gotten a new combo drive so near to a revision. And the iBook was just revised, what, 2 months ago, if that?

Maybe the CRT iMac will stick around for edu market, but I doubt it. Apple doesn't have the resources to be producing so many different iMacs, and we know that Steve want's ONLY LCD displays in the Apple product lineup.

The Titanium will get a speed bump soon, and I think it will be the Apollo G4, probably near the speeds you predicted. But not at MWSF, because if it were going to, then Apple could have just waited until then to add the combo drive to the Ti. I think MW Tokyo is when it happens. Plus, the Japanese LOVE laptops, and especially the Titanium. There's that one Japanese dude who even has a website devoted to Apple, and he poses as Steve Jobs, actually a bit creepy, like the guy is about to start stalking Jobs.

Powermacs: I don't see different motherboards unless Apple sells both G4 and G5 powermacs at the same time (very likely if only enough G5s are available for top end). although Apple did it before with Powermac G4s, giving the low end a real cheesy mobo while the high end got a real one. Same with the current Ti. I guess it's to clear out old inventory?

Finally, your speeds are too low! Expect at least:

iMac: 800-1000 MHz. 933 MHz at the very worst.

Powermacs:

if G4: 867, 1000, 1133, 1266, dual 1133 MHz
---or------
867, 1000, 1133, dual 1000 MHz

If G5: 1.2, 1.4, 1.6, dual 1.4 GHz.
---or------
1.0, 1.2, 1.4, dual 1.2 GHz.


I'd say the lower speeds are more likely, however, rumors from several different sources on the web suggest that Moto is having great success at fabbing G5 chips that clock to 1.6 GHz, with smaller numbers clocking to 1.8 GHz, and a few as high as 2.4 GHz.


You really are predicting dire speed increases, such small speedbumps that they would doom Apple's existence. But I will excuse such pessimism based on Apple's and Motorola's previous transgressions.
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[quote]Originally posted by mslee:
<strong>SfD you're full of monkey spunk! Your website sucks and so do you!


Boo on SfD, boo on his predictions!


SfD, you're a communist!!

[ 12-31-2001: Message edited by: mslee ]</strong><hr></blockquote>

Thanks!

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[quote]Originally posted by Junkyard Dawg:
<strong>No, the laptops will not be touched. If so, then the Titanium wouldn't have gotten a new combo drive so near to a revision. And the iBook was just revised, what, 2 months ago, if that?
</strong><hr></blockquote>

The iBooks will be updated. It's on MacNN. The TiBook won't be updated tho. Although... 3 updates in 3 months <img src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" />
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post #10 of 28
What makes you think the iBooks will be revised? What changes do you expect? Faster CPUs? Bigger HD? New display (larger?)...100 MHz bus across the lineup? New video chipset?


I like the iBook so much...if I had the cash I'd buy one for sure. The Titanium is awesome but it's overkill for my needs. All I'd want is something to write on, check email, and give presentations with. The iBook is perfect for all this, the Titanium is just overkill. With a Titanium I'd feel like a person driving a 4X4 SUV around the city, never leaving the pavement. A total waste of excessive power and capability.
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JYD, do you even own a Mac?

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Also, having had some time to think about it and calling Ms. Cleo (she's on my speed dial), I suspect prices will be:

iMac Classic:
G3 700 CRT CDRW - $799
G3 700 CRT Combo and bigger HD - $999

iMac 2 - Electric Boogaloo:
G3 800 CDRW - $1299
G3 800 Combo and bigger HD - $1499

iBook 3 - iBook Harder:
G3 700 DVDROM - $1399
G3 700 CDRW - $1499
G3 700 Combo - $1599

The TiBook Reloaded:
G4 667 Combo - $2299
G4 733 Combo (more RAM and bigger HD) - $2799
G4 800 Combo (even more RAM and even bigger HD)- $3299

PowerMac - The Quicksilver Menace:
G4 867 SDRAM Combo - $1699
G4 933 SDRAM Combo (more RAM and bigger HD)- $1999

PowerMac Ultra - A New Hope:
G4 1 GHz DDRRAM SuperDrive - $2699
G4 1 GHz DP DDRRAM SuperDrive (more RAM and bigger HD) - $3499

SdC

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[quote]Originally posted by suckfuldotcom:
<strong>Powermac G4 SDRAMx2 (867, 933 MHz G4)
Powermac G4 DDRRAMx2 (1 GHz, 1 GHz Dual)

Evidence:

-Powermacs not EOL, which means that some Powermacs will not look like significant upgrades, but Apple will want to get some more dualies and DDRRAM in the mix

SdC</strong><hr></blockquote>
Why would Apple keep SDRAM models in the PowerMac line? Would it be priced at Prosumer level then? It just does not make much sense to me - if it's PowerMac, then it should all be DDR.
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[quote]Originally posted by xype:
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Why would Apple keep SDRAM models in the PowerMac line? Would it be priced at Prosumer level then? It just does not make much sense to me - if it's PowerMac, then it should all be DDR.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Because it keeps demand down for the new stuff, while allowing them to claim they have cutting edge stuff. They keep demand down by introducing the newer tech in the high end models, and allow early adopters to subsidize some of the R&D by paying a lot to be on the front edge.

Witness the split TiBooks. Historically, remember the splits in the Powermac line around the old G4 (&lt;550 MHz) and the newer ones (&gt;667 MHz). Before that, there was the Yikes/Sawtooth split. Before that there was that ATA/SCSI split (in the B&W G3's).

Since Apple is still kind of attached to rolling stuff at Expos (though they have broken from this more lately, thankfully), they often have limited supplies on hand for the newer tech (in this case the DDRRAM mobo's or Gigawire or whatever).

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[quote]Originally posted by suckfuldotcom:
<strong>iMac CRT x2 (current form factor, 700 MHz G3)
iMac LCD x2 (all new LCD form factor, 800 MHz G3)
Speed bumped TiBooks (667, 733, 800 MHz G4)
Speed bumped iBooks (700 MHz G3)
Powermac G4 SDRAMx2 (867, 933 MHz G4)
Powermac G4 DDRRAMx2 (1 GHz, 1 GHz Dual)

So, the "Big Deal" is that Apple is going to upgrade all of the products.

Evidence:

-EOL iMacs and low speed iBooks at various outlets
-rebates on slowest TiBooks
-Powermacs not EOL, which means that some Powermacs will not look like significant upgrades, but Apple will want to get some more dualies and DDRRAM in the mix

As for other things, I think we'll see the elusive iPhoto, and an Apple-branded Firewire digital camera to complement it. We'll also the next generation of Firewire.

SdC</strong><hr></blockquote>

You may be right - and these would be nice machines. But I won't be "blown away". The iMac actually may be enough - we'll actually have to see it. However, speed bumps fall into the Mhz myth - how do they help me with my digital lifestyle? I joke at work that I love my fast 1Ghz+ PC because it reboots so fast when it crashes. Otherwise it's really no different than the 500 Mhz PCs in how we use them. (The other plus is that It crunches my setiathome work units at a good rate!)

As far as video editing and photoshop, sure it will be 10% faster - that doesn't blow me away. Adding a G4 and superdrive to a beautiful iMac to enable my digital lifestyle more fits the hype. Adding a G5 that cuts my wait time in half also seems more to fit the hype. And then there's ? to make my life complete

Your machines are nice, but I'm "Count[ing] on being blown away."
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[quote]Originally posted by suckfuldotcom:
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they often have limited supplies on hand for the newer tech (in this case the DDRRAM mobo's or Gigawire or whatever).

SdC</strong><hr></blockquote>

It's only that I don't find it amusing, that's all. I will be hopefully shopping for a PowerMac in Q1 or Q2 2002, and I don't have the money for the high end machine. So no DDR = drats. Unless I'll go for the Athlon. *sigh*
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PowerMac Ultra - A New Hope:
G4 1 GHz DDRRAM SuperDrive - $2699
G4 1 GHz DP DDRRAM SuperDrive (more RAM and bigger HD) - $3499
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i just don't see superdrive on only the two most expensive Power Macs...if superdrive is to be the future, and if we are all going to be taking digital photos and making mini-dv movies with our camcorders, then superdrive needs to be on more machines and on at least one machine that is made for the consumer, not the pro or even prosumer....so either the top iMac gets a superdrive or they bring back the cube as a go-between for the iMac and the tower...g
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[quote]Originally posted by suckfuldotcom:
<strong>

The TiBook Reloaded:
G4 800 Combo (even more RAM and even bigger HD)- $3299
</strong><hr></blockquote>

The "Ultimate" Powerbook at the Apple Store already ships with 1 GB of SDRAM. How much more RAM do you expect?
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[quote]Originally posted by sjpsu:
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The "Ultimate" Powerbook at the Apple Store already ships with 1 GB of SDRAM. How much more RAM do you expect?</strong><hr></blockquote>
4 GB of course, what have you tought?
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[quote]Originally posted by sjpsu:
<strong>

The "Ultimate" Powerbook at the Apple Store already ships with 1 GB of SDRAM. How much more RAM do you expect?</strong><hr></blockquote>

I mean more RAM than the 733 and 667 models.

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i'll contribute to gettign this to 100 in just over an hour

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And to all this, I'm adding my PowerPod idea.

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I think it is very unlikely Apple will continue selling the existing iMac design once an LCD version is announced. They wouldn't pollute the product matrix / confuse people that way - it is after all, a consumer product. You have to make the product line make sense to the average user. Selling both models at the same time at similar speeds would be anything but sensible to them.

As for power macs, I think you'll either see a new, smaller case design with Apollo and a new mobo inside, or said case design and mobo with G5 processors. And although they might be able to break it down to make sense to power users:

Existing design and chips, 800 and 867 MHz, greatly reduced price

New design and new chip, 1Ghz and up, similar prices to current high end

I also doubt they would do this. I think they will be cleaning up the product matrix one way or another, not muddling it. Existing iMacs are almost certain to be a memory once the current ones are sold. New power macs are a given at this point as well, but I'm not entirely sure what the big selling point will be. I think it might be G5's, but the selling point being the 64 bit OS and apps, not the speed. Even with a G5 I doubt they would get much beyond 1.2 GHz. Not enough to make head-on marketing claims against all the Athlons and P4's out there - Apple would take a different approach to the comparison.

I don't see much happening with the laptops this time around, though they could get a boost at MW Tokyo maybe.
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I wonder if the LCD iMacs will have an ADC port to support an external LCD monitor?
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[quote]Originally posted by suckfuldotcom:
iMac CRT x2 (current form factor, 700 MHz G3)
iMac LCD x2 (all new LCD form factor, 800 MHz <strong>G3</strong>)
<strong>Speed bumped TiBooks (667, 733, 800 MHz G4)</strong>
Speed bumped iBooks (<strong>700</strong> MHz G3)
Powermac G4 SDRAMx2 (867, 933 MHz G4)
Powermac G4 DDRRAMx2 (1 GHz, 1 GHz Dual)

<strong>So, the "Big Deal" is that Apple is going to upgrade all of the products.</strong>

Evidence:

-EOL iMacs and low speed iBooks at various outlets
<strong>-rebates on slowest TiBooks</strong>
-Powermacs not EOL, which means that some Powermacs will not look like significant upgrades, but Apple will want to get some more dualies and DDRRAM in the mix

As for other things, I think we'll see the elusive iPhoto, and an Apple-branded Firewire digital camera to complement it. We'll also the next generation of Firewire.

SdC<hr></blockquote>

Very nice, my only problems are with the things in bold.

The iMac--NEEDS a G4 look to other threads for my (and others') explanations, I think that cannot be overlooked. Sure it could be in the top 2 models only if there is a split like you suggest, but there needs to be a G4.

The PowerBook G4 WILL NOT be updated. The rebates you speak of are for the OLD 550 PowerBook that DID NOT have the combo drive. Most of the new TiBooks have yet to hit retailers, why change them so soon?
Also, why update with the combo drive when they could have waited and updated all at once @ MWSF to save the whole retail fiasco thing?

If the PowerBook isnt updated, the iBooks will not be clocked past 650 and even that is pushing it. I think the only update to the iBook line will be with the combo drive. Look to see the 8x version being put in there and the low end being pushed up to whatever the rest of the line is at (100Mhz bus and all). Hopefully the prices will stay the same.

There is more, but I will address that in a new post (it has to do with your predictions with the prices...)

-Paul

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yeah, the tibook is a bit of wishful thinking, but what the hey? it's only a guess.

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[quote]Originally posted by suckfuldotcom:
Also, having had some time to think about it and calling Ms. Cleo (she's on my speed dial), I suspect prices will be:

iMac Classic:
G3 700 CRT <strong>CDRW</strong> - $799
G3 700 CRT <strong>Combo</strong> and bigger HD - $999

iMac 2 - Electric Boogaloo:
<strong>G3</strong> 800 CDRW - $1299
<strong>G3</strong> 800 Combo and bigger HD - $1499

iBook 3 - iBook Harder:
G3 <strong>700</strong> DVDROM - $1399
G3 <strong>700</strong> CDRW - $1499
G3 <strong>700</strong> Combo - <strong>$1599</strong>

<strong>The TiBook Reloaded:
G4 667 Combo - $2299
G4 733 Combo (more RAM and bigger HD) - $2799
G4 800 Combo (even more RAM and even bigger HD)- $3299</strong>

PowerMac - The Quicksilver Menace:
G4 867 SDRAM <strong>Combo</strong> - <strong>$1699</strong>
G4 933 SDRAM Combo (more RAM and bigger HD)- $1999

PowerMac Ultra - A New Hope:
G4 1 GHz DDRRAM SuperDrive - $2699
G4 1 GHz DP DDRRAM SuperDrive (more RAM and bigger HD) - $3499

SdC

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"It turns out that God does play dice with universe after all." - unknown quantum physicist<hr></blockquote>

Ok, where was I?

OK, the iMac will start with a low end CD-Rom model not CD-RW why? it is cheaper. Period.
The $999 model will be CD-RW same reason as above.
See earlyer gripes about the LCD having a G4

iBook-See earlyer gripes about the speed. Low end CD-Rom model will still be there, only with same speed as the rest of the line.
The Combo drive will be 8x and be $1699 they wont drop this in price again...

The TiBook will not be reloaded, look to previous post.

The low end G4 will have CD-RW because it is cheaper. Lower price as well, $1599

Other then these MINOR gripes, I would say that your predictions look pretty good. Although I would rather be looking at the specs you posted in Horned Frog's post .

-Paul

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[quote]Originally posted by psantora:
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Ok, where was I?

OK, the iMac will start with a low end CD-Rom model not CD-RW why? it is cheaper. Period.
The $999 model will be CD-RW same reason as above.
See earlyer gripes about the LCD having a G4

iBook-See earlyer gripes about the speed. Low end CD-Rom model will still be there, only with same speed as the rest of the line.
The Combo drive will be 8x and be $1699 they wont drop this in price again...

The TiBook will not be reloaded, look to previous post.

The low end G4 will have CD-RW because it is cheaper. Lower price as well, $1599

Other then these MINOR gripes, I would say that your predictions look pretty good. Although I would rather be looking at the specs you posted in Horned Frog's post .

-Paul

P.S. GREAT SUBJECT!! Also cool sig, who are you making fun of? I know I read that Einstein Dice sig somewhere in these forums...</strong><hr></blockquote>

yeah, i was just pulling things out of my butt. Still, I'm sticking to 'em. I'd like to see the "all G4 all the time specs", but it's just not gonna happen.

And the new tagline at apple.com (To go where no PC has gone before) has really got me.....obviously some sort of portability and/or size issue, but I got nuthin'.

The first sig (quantum physics) is in response to one I saw around here regarding Einstein. I made the quote up.

The second sig (buses, watermelons, cats) is a throwback to the craze of watermelon/cat signatures on the old AI forums combined with one I saw around here the other day.....

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