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I was wondering what the best (5 megapixels or above) digital camera is on the market. I'm not really looking for a simple point and shoot, meaning I would like some level of a professional camera (eg. adding extra wide-angle lenses, etc.) Also, money is a minor factor, not huge, but the best camera for the money would be the best of course.

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Logan
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Originally posted by Logan
I was wondering what the best (5 megapixels or above) digital camera is on the market. I'm not really looking for a simple point and shoot, meaning I would like some level of a professional camera (eg. adding extra wide-angle lenses, etc.) Also, money is a minor factor, not huge, but the best camera for the money would be the best of course.

Thanks

Logan

This is a timely post because I'm in the market as well. I realize there are several other threads about this recently but I didn't *start* this one so I'm hoping it stays open.
post #3 of 78
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So far the best one for the money and the specs that I've found is the
Fuji FinePix S7000. Anyone know any pros or cons about it? Anyone have it? Or know of better cameras?

Logan
post #4 of 78
you're questions might best be answered at

http://www.dpreview.com

It is a website dedicated to digital cameras. they have tons of reviews and a forum where you can ask questions.
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post #5 of 78
I prefer the Nikon D70. it got great reviews at DPreview.com and it is really nice.

Here are some pics I took if you want to see the quality. This is with the stock 18-70mm lens that comes with it.
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I prefer the Nikon D70. it got great reviews at DPreview.com and it is really nice.

Here are some pics I took if you want to see the quality. This is with the stock 18-70mm lens that comes with it.

I saw your thread earlier and I'm jealous as hell. I WANT that camera but I don't think I could swing the $1300 for it. Short of that, what would you recommend?
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I saw your thread earlier and I'm jealous as hell. I WANT that camera but I don't think I could swing the $1300 for it. Short of that, what would you recommend?

torifile,

How about the Canon 300D / Digital Rebel? They are around £900 including kit lens here in the UK, and I think around $900-1000 in the US. It could be a good bet if you're not completely set on the Nikon, or if you don't have any Nikon compatible lenses. Unfortunately I don't know how it compares with the Nikon D70 in terms of features though - perhaps Eugene might chip in, as he knows a lot about these things .

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My pics: Canon Digital Rebel, Konika Minolta A2, Pentax *ist D or E1, Canon G5, Fugifilm S20, Nikon 8700, Olympus C-8080, Olympus E-1, or the Sony DSC-828. Hard to say which is best. The digital Rebel is very popular for good reason. I have the predesessor to the A2, the A1, and it's a very good camera. The Nikon is a good bet too. None is going to give you everything, so it's up to you to decide which pros and cons work best for you. DPReview is an excellent site. Also look at www.dcresource.com and http://www.imaging-resource.com especially the former sInce it does pay more attention to Mac users' concerns.
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keep in mind when purchasing a camera what glass (lenses) you want as well. If you already have a non digital nikon, then you might consider going with a nikon D70 or D100, they will let you use the same glass. Same with Canon. The other thing to keep in mind is that sometimes the glass costs more than the body (camera) itself.

in terms of pricing, we're just seeing sub $1000 pro digital cams hitting the market. The Canon Rebel 300D and the Nikon D70 (both mentioned earlier) are currently the only cams in that range. Most pro digital cameras cost way more than that.

Finding the right cam depends on you, and what you need (what exactly you want to shoot). Try hitting a local camera shop and test out the cams yourself. That way you get a "feel" for the camera and how it operates. Bring your own CF card and take sample shots with each camera. Some camera shops will allow you to do that. It's the only real way to find out if a certain camera is right for you and what you want to shoot.
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post #10 of 78
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Well I think I'm in the market for a camera in the $700 range. As I said earlier, the Fuji Finepix S7000 caught my attention. Does anyone have any experience with it or know anything about it?

Logan
post #11 of 78
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Originally posted by Logan
Well I think I'm in the market for a camera in the $700 range. As I said earlier, the Fuji Finepix S7000 caught my attention. Does anyone have any experience with it or know anything about it?

Logan

I know it's on clearance at best buy right now. $466 after rebate.
post #12 of 78
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Anyone have anything else? Like any reason for me not to get it?

Logan
post #13 of 78
Check these two threads here and here.
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The only things I've heard against the Fugi S7000 are that it's slow for some functions, that it doesn't have as many manual options or as fine control of them, and some compain that the lens is a bit low-end.

The Minolta A1 is similar with a better lens (less distortion and vignetting with a wider angle zoom), more manual options, the anti-shake mechanism, and IMO, better menus and heads-up display. It's weakness is arguably its image processing which is probably the most conservative of any camera in that range, so sensor noise is more apparent unless one does some post-processing. KM discontinued it for the A2, but retailers might still have it in stock for about the same price, maybe more.

The Nikon 5400 is also much cheaper now that the 8700 has supplanted it. Its menus are sort of wonky, it takes very good images but has trouble focusing in low light. I can't think of much else about it.
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I guess that's it?
post #16 of 78
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Originally posted by Logan
I guess that's it?

i'm not sure what you want exactly. There were 2 other threads linked here, some discussion about high end consumer cameras, links to resources, etc.

Do you want us to tell you which one to buy, too. Or would you prefer we just buy one and have it shipped to your door all charged up? You've got to do *a little* work yourself.
post #17 of 78
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i'm not sure what you want exactly. There were 2 other threads linked here, some discussion about high end consumer cameras, links to resources, etc.

Do you want us to tell you which one to buy, too. Or would you prefer we just buy one and have it shipped to your door all charged up? You've got to do *a little* work yourself.


A little attitude problem is what you got. Anyway, I thought I'd try to get the most out of you guys as I could... Yeah I mean I shouldn't be posting on this board, its not like theres 1000 ppl here with over 3000 posts that don't have anything else in their lives to do but post here to other ppls problems. Oh wait, almost everyone here fits that criteria. Sorry.
post #18 of 78
If you want to save money, get the S7000. It can in some instances produce the same or more detail than the 8MP prosumers, and has a better ISO 200 than most high MP small sensor cams.

For the price, I think that the only real complaint about the S7000 is that lacks a nice wide end at only 35mm equivalent.

sub 500 versus 1K for the rest of the prosumer crowd is a big big differnece. At 1K, the Canon and Nikon DSLRs are the only game, but at 500, the S7000 is the nicest camera to hold and use for that price.
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What about autofocus performance on these smaller all-in-one "prosumer" cameras? Have they gotten better since, say, the Nikon Coolpix 950? This is one aspect that still justifies having an SLR in my opinion, but if owners of the higher-end P&S models could give their own usage experiences, that would be cool.
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post #20 of 78
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A little attitude problem is what you got. Anyway, I thought I'd try to get the most out of you guys as I could... Yeah I mean I shouldn't be posting on this board, its not like theres 1000 ppl here with over 3000 posts that don't have anything else in their lives to do but post here to other ppls problems. Oh wait, almost everyone here fits that criteria. Sorry.

I never said you shouldn't be posting on this board. You started a thread, got some good responses and you're not satisfied. Do some of the work yourself. Go read the reviews of the cameras you're interested. Take into consideration what people said in *this* thread and *others*. Get off your ass and do your own work.

I make this comment only in light of your other recent threads where you say "why search when I can post here and find out without doing work?"

WTF is up with the attitude anyway? You're not entitled to *anything* just by virtue of posting here. I'd like to welcome you to my ignore list.
post #21 of 78
We used a Nikon CoolPix 950 until last November when we stepped up to the Canon Digital Rebel. It is a truly wonderful camera. It is relatively lightweight, it is easy to use and the pictures look great.

I chose it mainly for the sensitivity. The big problem we had with the Nikon was poor sensitivity. You could frame a nice shot but then the camera wanted to set the shutter speed to something like one half second. The Canon has very low noise electronics. We can shoot pictures at ISO 800 on the Canon that are at the same noise level as the CoolPix at ISO 100. To me this is a huge benefit because now I can shoot pictures at 1/20 or 1/30 that were impossible otherwise.

We also got the Canon 28-135mm IS lens. If you go for a digital SLR your next adventure will be choosing lenses. I think it is more complicated than choosing the camera body. The difference is very apparent though.

I'll second what the others have said. dpreview.com is a great asset when comparing cameras.
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post #22 of 78
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Originally posted by Dave Abrey
torifile,

How about the Canon 300D / Digital Rebel?

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Unfortunately I don't know how it compares with the Nikon D70 in terms of features though - perhaps Eugene might chip in, as he knows a lot about these things .

Dave.

Pro-Nikon:
-ISO 800 and 1600 noise looks more like classic film grain than the splotchy noise patterns you get with the Digital Rebel.
-It's built better.
-It has more 'pro' features like a 1/500s flash sync and 1005 pixel metering system.
-It's not silver.
-Nikon is the Apple to Canon's Microsoft.

Con-Nikon:
-It's slightly more expensive.
-It has some kinks like the 'maze' moire artifacts that show up in the occasional everyday photo. This is not a big deal, but it bothers me a little. Also the color cast at high shutter speeds.
-It doesn't have an optional vertical grip...not very important unless you're a PJ.
-Nikon lenses are more expensive in general.

Best thing to do is rent both from a pro shop and test them yourself. Or if you can't afford the $70-100/day rental fee, then just go to the shop with your own memory card, snap photos on each and look at the results.
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post #23 of 78
Eugene you seem to be in the know on the Nikon D70. A question, in a pinch while waiting to get some additional glass, can one use some of the old F3 AI-S non-automatic focus lenses? By use I guess I mean will you have any exposure metering.

Sorry for the dumb question but I'm curious.
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I have the D70 and the booklet says:
YES, you can use it.
post #25 of 78
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Assuming I bought the Fuji FinePix S7000, or the Canon Digital Rebel, what are some good (not overly expensive) lenses (wide angle, etc.)?

Logan
post #26 of 78
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Originally posted by Logan
Assuming I bought the Fuji FinePix S7000, or the Canon Digital Rebel, what are some good (not overly expensive) lenses (wide angle, etc.)?

Logan

The S7000 has a fixed lens.
I think both Canon and Nikon have some decent consumer-quality zooms in the 28-200mm range for ~$300 USD. Super-wide lenses are going to run you much more if you want Canon or Nikon branded glass.
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post #27 of 78
I'm having trouble finding the S7000 for the 500 USD reported earlier in the thread. But I'm really having trouble finding a truly competitive Canadian camera retailer. Prices go from bad to ridiculous, and many of the online shops only sell in the US.

The thing about the S7000 versus the Digital Rebel is that they are two entirely different classes of camera.

If you can get an s7000 for 500 USD, it's the best camera (handling and image wise) that you can get for that price, MHO.

The Digital Rebel is a substantial step up from there. It's why you really can't recommend any of the so called "prosumer" cameras (828, A1/2, C8080, Pro1) selling for the equivalent of 899-1099 USD here in Canada. The Rebel and D70 just trounce them, even if you slap a budget 28-200/300 on them, you'd still get better results than anything from the 2/3rds cams.

So really, your last stop in Digital P&S before you really owe it to yourself to just get the DSLR should be something like the S7000, Canon G5, Oly C5060 or 5050, or Nikon 4500 or 5400. All are small but definitely not tiny (the Fuji being the largest), all have 4-6 MP, and a wide range of manual controls. The G5, 5400, and the C5060, go wider about 28-110 (or there abouts), while the S7000 goes a little longer, 35-210. I think the wider lenses could be quite useful, so consider your useage. If you start adding all sorts of converters, you might be better off with the DLSR.

I liked the S6900/602/7000 best (having used the C5050, and handled other spilt body Nikons) but I have big hands, and grew sort of biased to the comfortable operation of the camera.
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post #28 of 78
Matsu says it all.

With 5M cameras headed south of $500 and pro bodies coming out under a grand, how much longer does the consumer film camera market have? Sure you can pick them up for less than $100 (or lots less but you start to get into toys), but then you have to pay for film and processing.

Kodak has announced they will stop making slide projectors. The writing's on the wall.
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post #29 of 78
Okay...I have disposable income, which probably won't happen again for a long time (did some diligent "eBay-ing" this past week -- getting rid of a useless PDA, old cameras). The allure of a new digicam is getting harder to resist, especially the D70 with the 18-70 lens package. This little camera seems to be quite the charmer of many pros and amateurs alike -- and Nikon finally got their flash system in order at the same time (on the digital end I mean -- balanced fill with the F5/F100 has always been wonderful).

Has anybody seen these in stock anywhere?
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post #30 of 78
I put my name on a list at a local camera dealer and got one of the 1st batches. Check your local dealer.
post #31 of 78
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Originally posted by Logan
Assuming I bought the Fuji FinePix S7000, or the Canon Digital Rebel, what are some good (not overly expensive) lenses (wide angle, etc.)?

Logan

A good and not overly expensive lens. Something we all hope for. The problem is that you can't shop for lenses just on the paper specs. You need to either try them yourselves or find a site that tests them thoroughly.

If you google a particular lens you can sometimes find sites that have reviewed them. I haven't seen a really good site which compares a wide range of lenses.

Zoom lenses are particularly hard to evaluate because they have to be tested across a range of focal lengths and apertures. Some manufacturers publish MTF curves which helps.

For the Digital Rebel the Canon 28-135mm IS is a very good lens. Price is about $500.
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post #32 of 78
Woo-hoo!! Just got the D70 with 18-70 AF-S lens kit for $1269 (with ground shipping)!! If anyone else is looking for these, don't seek the prize at eBay. I can't believe these people trying to pawn off these things for over $1300. I'll say where I got mine as soon as I get shipping confirmation , but for those looking -- CDW is supposed to have them in stock beginning today for under $1299.

Reading all the reviews and complaints and lauds about this body, I think it will serve well for a long time depending on how well Nikon physically constructed it compared to the F5-based D1s. I think it will be a perfect travel camera for the trip to Germany next fall, though.
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Woo-hoo!! Just got the D70 with 18-70 AF-S lens kit for $1269 (with ground shipping)!! If anyone else is looking for these, don't seek the prize at eBay. I can't believe these people trying to pawn off these things for over $1300. I'll say where I got mine as soon as I get shipping confirmation , but for those looking -- CDW is supposed to have them in stock beginning today for under $1299.

Reading all the reviews and complaints and lauds about this body, I think it will serve well for a long time depending on how well Nikon physically constructed it compared to the F5-based D1s. I think it will be a perfect travel camera for the trip to Germany next fall, though.

So where did you get it? I'm still struggling with the d70/digital rebel dilemma. Right now, the digital rebel is about $900 with lens. Unfortunately, it's from Circuit City, who I hate, and I'd have to pay tax. blah. I think I'd be very happy with either one but I need to decide.....
post #34 of 78
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-Nikon is the Apple to Canon's Microsoft.


Bad comparison Eugene. In size perhaps, but Canon at the contrary of Nikon is a very innovative company : Image Stabilisation, CMOS sensor ( i don't say it's beter than CCD, just they go their way), first appearance of USM in consumer lenses, fluorite lenses, diffractive optics ...

Anyway the D70 is a fine camera. The moire is more important than the one of the Drebel, but not a real issue in 99 % of the shots. This is a real nice camera.

The Drebel will be produced in black for the japonese market.

Anyway i just recieved my canon 10D : i love it. Stil waiting for my 24-70 2,8 L zoom, and for my 70-300 DO ( i dont expect to recieve this one soon)
post #35 of 78
www.melpiercecamera.com

They probably have more in stock, but the owner acted like they were "going fast." A ploy probably nonetheless, but I bought the camera anyway.
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Bad comparison Eugene. In size perhaps, but Canon at the contrary of Nikon is a very innovative company : Image Stabilisation, CMOS sensor ( i don't say it's beter than CCD, just they go their way), first appearance of USM in consumer lenses, fluorite lenses, diffractive optics ...

Are you saying Microsoft isn't innovative?

It's a perfectly valid comparison. The fact is Canon chooses volume over quality. Look at their Powershot line-up and how frequently they turn-over with new models.
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post #37 of 78
I have the Canon Dgital Rebel and it's simply AWESOME.
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what does interpolated mean in a digital camera? I saw a digital camer that had a 3.3 megapixel rating, but it takes 6.6 megapixel pictures when interpolated.
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post #39 of 78
That's probably Fuji and their "Super CCD." Supposedly, because of the shape of each pixel....I don't know. It's nonsense. You would be best to use the camera in the standard, downsampled mode. The pictures at the interpolated levels stink.
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The pictures at the interpolated levels stink.

All consumer digital cameras (except for a couple) use very drastic interpolation though.
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