10.4 Tiger Feature Request - Page 3

How? This keeps coming up, but no one seems to be able to give an example of what they mean.


Two words: Meta. Data.

That's all that is, and all that the Mac needs... and then you'll be able to organize *any* info collectively into projects, groups, themes, workspaces, or what have you. Not just what MS thinks you should.


I unhumbly beg to differ.


Ummm... you want more eye candy, but complain that XP is faster? Which do you really want? Pick one.

That only works if system preferences is already open. Prefling allows you to select which pane you want before the application is open.

ipodandimac
quote:Excuse me??? OS X is one of the most stable things on the market. I doubt your issue with those programs has to do with the OS.

Stable versus what, winblows XP? OSX isn't close to the stability I get with OS9. If itunes is playing music and I launch a card game I usually get a hard crash (Solitare Forever or Freecell). Never happens in OS9. Yes, I now have to boot into 9 to play them, but I shouldn't have to! OSX stability still needs work. Maybe OSX hates me because I started out on System 1.


BuonRotto
Click and hold on the System Peferences Dock icon.

Thanks for the tip. I hate using the dock, running programs stay in X-Assist like in OS9 under the application menu.


SledgeHammer
The items in the status bar (right side of the menu bar) are black and white on purpose. There's no color up there to distract the eye. The only color that shows up in any standard status bar icon is when the battery is low and the icon turns red. No color then suddenly RED draws your attention effectively to something that requires your attention, otherwise, the status bar should be unobtrusive (something it would not be with a lot of color)

I don't think so. There has been color up there since system 7. On my OS9 work machine, I see a blue clock, a black calendar, a red ATI control panel, and a yellow icab icon. I should be able to colorize the menubar if I want to. OSX designers got lazy on the right side. They managed a blue apple on the left side. This isn't 1970's unix, monitors can display more than 2 colors now. Just make it an option and we'll both be happy.


What if you only want to close one window from the program? how do you do that without losing everything you have open?

It should work like it did before OSX, where you could close windows until you had 1 left, then closing that one quit the program. The way it works now, I have to go check the hidden dock to see if the program I thought I quit is still running. Lame.


I use prefling for this, but you're right, it would be nice for it to be built into system preferences (ps, what does this have to do with Mac/Windows?)

Before OSX, you could select control panels directly, without opening up the control panels folder. In windows, this was only possible in ME. 95, 98, 2000, and XP force you to open the whole folder before you can pick the control panel you want. It is a pain in the ass and a waste of time.


HOM & a_greer
I use Fruit Menu, and I can close ANY window in the dock by right clicking, not just Finder windows. I can also get a contexual menu.

2 mouse buttons are better than one, but if you glue your keyboard on your mouse you can have 102!

You have *GOT* to be kidding.

Seriously.

OS X is, bar none, the most stable OS I've ever used for everyday use, and that includes WinNT, WinXP, SGI/IRIX, HP/UX, AIX, A/UX, NeXT, MacOS up through 9 and Classic (yes, from 1984 on), Linux... nothing else compares in my book.

There's simply something wrong with your system, either software or hardware. Period. I think we'd be glad to help you troubleshoot it (and my guess is hardware), but there is something wrong with your system, not MacOS X.



Errrr.... sure.

This isn't 9. The use of color in 9 was... poor. Color should be used to draw the eye to important things, not just for corporate logo placement. A good icon doesn't need color to represent what it needs to. Splashy icons with garish colors are just laziness or brand marketing.

Color should be used to indicate to the user 'this is something you need to look at' or 'this is where your attention should be focussed for a moment', etc. I dislike the red/yellow/green in the title bar, for goodness' sake, and prefer the graphite theme.



Why do you care if it's still running?

In 9, you *HAD* to because the memory management was so piss poor. In, OS X, unless it's an app that is supposed to be doing something in the background, or is poorly written, the total drain on your system is zero.

Worrying over whether an app is still running is old style 9 thinking.

Seems like a pattern... \

Frankly, if I had to worry about whether or not closing a window was the last one or not, and maybe, but not always, it might cause the app to quit, I'd go insane. That's just... ludicrous.

Besides, what app under 9 did this? I certainly don't remember this as a normal behaviour. Then again, maybe I blocked the memory from the pain...

Kickaha
blah, blah, blah

Whatever

You like the new way, I prefer the old. We should have a choice. If they won't offer us a way to use our preferred workflow with OSX, the 60% not using it won't ever start to, not that it really matters...

If you want to stay with the old, delete OS X and stick with ur stable secure and color-creative OS 9.

I prefer OS X with its superiority in almost every area over OS 9, but if you think that OS 9 rocks, then go with it. Just don't accuse the people who are happy with OS X.

BTW, I dont believe it is 60% of the market do not use macs.

It might be that you've built up a wobbly bunch of hacks, too, or that you're running crap.

OS X is so much more stable than OS 9 that it's not even funny. You have to get used to the way it works, but that doesn't take long. It's still a Mac.


This is part of the problem, though: If you run around disabling central parts of the OS X interface, you can't really complain when you notice that important bits of the interface are missing, can you?


Hogwash. Every document-based application in MacOS, ever, left the application running after the last window was closed. You show me one that didn't (I can't think of any), and I'll show you an app that broke the Mac look and feel.

I've used Macs myself since 1986. It has always been true that a document-based application stayed open until Quit, and in that respect OS X honors the Macintosh way of doing things. You're thinking of Windows. Or maybe you're thinking of little desk-accessory-type things like Calculator and CD Player.

You know something I don't? I haven't heard about any movement on Services. For all I know they could be abandoning them.

They would definitely need to become context sensitive, because as they are now, a contextual menu with Services in them would be huge.

You do. Run 9, and it sounds like you'll be much happier. No one forces you to run X if you don't like it.


You're right, it doesn't matter.

Should they make it just like Windows, to attract that much larger market? Hell, no.

Likewise, there was *plenty* of cruft in 9 that I'm glad is gone gone gone - and I'm a Mac user since '84.

There are rough edges in X, absolutely - but stability? App-closing-on-last-window-closed? Psychedelic use of color? Methinks you're smoking something illicit.

Well, you could go grab Deja Menu, I have this funny feeling it could be modified to *only* show the Services menu...

Must investigate...

Well, as I mentioned before... one can't recommend IceCoffee enough.

You can also choose off to turn Services that you never use, so they don't clutter up the menu.

I like the looks of it - wary of APE though. Any feedback on that portion of it?

I know that a handful of people on these boards have reported bad experiences with APE, but happily I'm not one of them.

I've been using APE for IceCoffee and ClearDock since 10.2, with no problems I can see. OS X is extremely stable, and everything works well.

If you use Services a fair amount, IceCoffee is so good and so useful IMO it's definitely worth braving APE.

WOW, why didn't you tell me earlier? (well, i know, sj hates me, and told you to let me in the dark)

Cocoa services in contextual menu.

Clean-up, arrange by etc, in contextual menu.

Gesture (like Motion, but customisable) activated applescripts. e.g. You could draw an @ symbol with your Wacom pen, to open Mail.

yeah, the mouse...

I just find it hard to believe that there are still people out there who want OS X to behave and act like OS 9. Really, it doesn't take that much effort to make the switch from Platium to Aqua. I myself was amazed at how easy it was for me despite the fact that I thought I'd be relearned the UI all over again. All you really need is an open mind (okay, so maybe it does take a lot of effort).

Over and over again: two switchable appearances.
A consumer and a pro one. Consumer: something like it is now. Pro: more grey, darker, less eye candy and maybe some extra file view options.

Oh, and Finder/OS stability. I get hard crashes (OS freeze) once or twice a week. The app should crash, not the whole OS.

Yeah. Lately my Finder has been crashing... but maybe that's because of my uptime and/or free memory. I've gotta check that out.

As far as a feature request is concerned I'd like to see iChat updated so it can solo audio chat with the Windows AIM versions as well as the older AIM 4.3 for Mac OS 8.6 and below. I know it's already been said but I'd like to have that option as well. I'd like to see people on my buddy list, iChat or not, appear with either icon, the Cam icon or the Phone icon. I hoped when iChat 2.1 came out that it would have been included... I really hope iChat 2.5 or 3.0 or whatever version releases with 10.4 has this option built in. I'm really excited about this year's WWDC. I'm hoping for the best.

Well, off top of my head just a view simple things:

1) systemwide ability to drag and drop content from where ever you are into a docked folder. That would satisfy me.

2) once an' forever - keep any given app open until you tell that particular app to quit. and no, i don't want to hear anything about that distinction between single wind. app and multi wind. app. i don't buy that stuff, it feels lame. either this way or that way, no messy mixtures with stupid ex-bloody-cuses! you always should predict whats gonna happen next, no? quit means quit an' hide means hide, no? (well an' "no means no", oh well, i have to visit that music thread soon again)

3) at least one more curser, which would give you visual feedback regarding enlarging windows and such, no? (Btw, to fix all curser related issues would be a good point to start.)

4) perhaps some sort of mouse moving intelligents. I mean Macos X should recognize, if someone wants to enlarge a window or merely touch the dock, no?

5) maybe different themes, but that is not that urgent to me.

yet all in all i am pretty much satisfied with panther, best consumer (and pro) os available.

today (well, once in a while) i had to deal with wind. xp. This os looks ugly, feels ugly and behaves ugly, ...

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I think it's been mentioned in hear already, but I have to second it: Good FTP in Finder!

I do a lot of FTP and to be able to get and put like I was copying between any other two Finder windows would make me such a happy person.

FTP is such an old technology- why can't apple get it right when they can do rendezvous so well? It kills me.

Don't get me wrong, i love OS X. The finder, however, has A LOT of room for improvement. I mean, in some aspects its unparalleled, like automatic iDisk sync for example. But there are so many glaring omissions on technologies not supported or not supported well, and customizations that should be available but aren't.

The dock too- needs serious feature maturity.

I'd like to attatch stickies to files as reminders of work in progress... I did suggest this years ago under OS 8...

R

What do you mean exactly? FTP is basicly a collection of protocolls. Btw, unix is old technology


Could you just state some examples to make your opinion more vivid?


same as above.

I always loved macos because of its sheer simplicity. Now macos has grown up with "X". And i still love this os BECAUSE of its sheer simplicity. Anyway, i'd like to see some improvements too (as i mentioned above), but on the other hand i would say: keep it simple. keep it rock solid simple.

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God damn, I only have one request for 10.4. =\\

SPRING LOADED FOLDERS IN THE DOCK. ~

That's all.

- Xidius

Location profiles can be handled pretty well with Location X. Easy to set up and worked for me when I was carrying my computer around with me.

http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/13855


I would like iCal to update its icon without having to be launched. A new FS that had Windows drivers so I could stop formatting my external drives with FAT32 would also be real nice.

realy, I know the G4 is no atholon 3200, but a 4 year old unit, damn can i get some feedback from other PB users, is that right?

went into my pile of old magazines and did some homework:
PC MAG. Feb 8 2000

Compaq armoda laptop
$5400
pIII 500 mhz
128 mb ram
24.2 gig hdd
15 inch display

and the mid range $2100$ gateway had the following specs
p3 450
32 megs of ram
4 gb hdd
win. 98


XP would make that beg for mercy
the only way even if you have doubled the ram, that the PB could be slower is if you are useing a 233 wall street

if you have a new aluminum PB you dont want, I will gladly trade you a 5 year old pc notebook for it

note both configs are early this century, and yours was older and slower than that so my offer would "technicaly" be an upgrade for you

I'd rather have them implement something like lufs, and then just use SCP.

FTP is horribly outdated and insecure anyway. It's no good for uploading files, as there is *zero* encryption, and for downloading, protocols like HTTP, rsync and BitTorrent offer far superior options.

Exposé is rubbish! It's a pointless toy, and it doesn't really have a practical use. And a resize thing, that is very windows, click a button and then drag where you want your window to be, not very intuitive is it! And what's the point? Apple should go more simple, create a simple finder that doesn't have huge icons, get rid of all these heavy CPU transitions, and make OS X take up less space, make it faster through simplicity. Look at Windows XP, those effects that it has make it really slow, Apple has reduced them in 10.3, it should reduce them further.

Perhaps, but as a webmaster for an online lit mag encrypted uploads is not a real big concern for me. Once I upload the files, they're on the web for anyone to DL. Nor are encrypted file transfers a big concern for the average person who would be using ftp in Finder. The general standard for uploading to web servers is still FTP, and that, therefore, is what we need.


I hope you're kidding. (I can't really tell from your post.) Before I installed Panther I couldn't really see what use Exposé was, but since I started using Panther in December, Exposé has probably been the single most used new feature in the OS. For instance, when I download something, it goes to my desktop. I can then use Exposé to get at it even though it's under 3 or 4 windows. It's a wonderful inovation. And as far as speed issues, you can see my config down in my sig. I'm using a 3 year old computer and have no real speed issues whatsoever.

I can't tell if you're being facetious through that whole last post or not.

Apple hasn't reduced animations with 10.3. In fact, Apple has added more animations and sped up some of the existing ones.

If Apple can add useful animations that serve as good visual cues, as they do now, and they can still work smoothly on a nearly four-year-old computer like mine, as they do now, I say do it to it!

In windows xp, I can turn off all of the pointless effects like menu fade, themes and other fisher-price gui shit and it runs a ton faster, the differance is mac did it right, the effects on mac, while also far more tastefull, are rendered by the GPU - Thus quarts extream, in windows, the cpu does it which means that other more important calculations are given a lower priority. I wish that windows would offload high end desktop effect rendering to the GPU via DX9 like what apple has doen with the quarts engine. Imagine a DX9 desktop.


just a note, to avoid effects all together, use the included unix command line enviornment

NO I'M NOT KIDDING

Exposé is a cack-handed approach to window management. It doesn;t work for me, I've used it for my window management, I don;t like the curvy edge it creates around my desktop and I don't like the transition it sues, why have a transition at all?

10.3 is more tacky as well, but less animations. Transparency has been eliminated from title bars and menu bars have been reduced.

However, folders have been given a ridiculous box around them when you select them, and the colour folder option is so tacky an badly designed. Apple have gone down the Windows direction. If you look at OS 9, yes there were problems with the coloured folders but it looked a lot better than OS X does. Don't get em wrong I really like Panther and Apple, it jut seems that they are going towards the tacky direction rather than stylish and minimalist which is what they always used to be.

Exposé is a toy to address the Windows task bar, Apple could have done it better and in a more functional way, but they are dumbing down to appeal to the lowest common denominator. A swish toy to show off to your mates, not really as good a solution as Apple would normally make. As someone on this forum said, lets put in a sound effect. He represents perfectly my grumble, platinum sounds thankfully haven't been brought forward from OS 9, yet!

I'M GLAD TO SEE THIS IS TURNING INTO A PROPER DEBATE!

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Expose is now an integral part of my desktop workflow. It is as fundamental as clicking and dragging. Yes, it was 'neat' the day I first used it and it was fun to just play around with for the couple of days before it became a serious tool.

It's better to have constructive input than a mind numbing argument. That's what AO is for.

yeah I can see that it could be used as a serious tool, and that's why it should be improved, but not by making it make noises, remove the transitions and make it less tacky!

Remove the transitions?

The transitions are there to tell you where each window comes from and where the windows you had in front of you went.

Without the transitions it will be a UI hell.

the transitions are visual feedback to tell you where the folders came from and where they are going. Its actually pretty useful. Maybe not essential, but better than no transitions.

You're right, I just thought of that!

Anyway what I was saying about Exposé is that it's not one of those things that I miss when I'm on other computers, unlike scroll wheels and command-h to hide things. I suppose I'd like to see the dock the command-tab feature and expose combined!

When you press command-tab, you can cycle through all your windows in miniature, but I suppose Expose´does that already, and there is a shortcut to go through all your open windows already!? I really don't know what I'm trying to say! I just don't think Exposé is useful for me. To be honest I probably just think this cos I haven;t used it recently, when I was working on design projects I used it a lot to find photos and things, I used it to cycle through lots of things, just i use Illustrator in classic so it doesn't work that well!

SO basically I'm taking back what I said, Exposé is useful, it could be improved and made less tacky, the transitions should stay, but maybe they could be removed when the window has been selected (speed up the selection process?) I suppose i'd like Expose to allow you to use the windows in their minature size! Now that would be sweet, but only if you haven;t got too many windows open - so maybe not!

I KNOW WHY DON'T USE EXPOSE MUCH!!!! I tidy up all my windows, i always have. i hate having a cluttered computer, everything has to be miniaturised or hidden, so expose is not useful to me, i don;t like not seeing the desktop behind the app window I'm using. Therefore the only app I have that's open is the one I'm using!!!

SO ignore me, but going back to another point I made, who thinks Apple should improve those eye-sores called folder colours!!

well, you may withdraw