Originally posted by NaplesX
I can go along with most of that, except these were not just shoplifters. These were violent and bad people.
I never said that they weren't bad people. Not that it makes any difference, really. Even a murderer doesn't deserve to get raped in prison.
I agree heads should roll, the right heads, but as usual it has turned into a witch hunt.
As opposed to what? It's an orderly inquiry into the situation. The only other option is to just ignore it.
I am one example: I point out that these were murderers and suspected terrorists, and I am said to be OK with torture and murder and am no better than the terrorists or the abusers. I am a witch, according some here.
No. You're said to be OK with it when you imply that merely being in jail means you ought to expect to be raped and otherwise tortured. The stats I've seen are that a HUGE percentage of these people were there simply for not having paperwork on them when they were stopped at checkpoints. You're said to be OK with it when you argue, as you've just done here, that merely being suspected of being a terrorist
means that you should expect to be raped and tortured.
I am not convinced that the systematic label applies, yet.
I think you should read the Taguba report before you say something like that.
I think that force was used many times without checks and balances to keep soldiers from going too far. That is a bit different than systematic torture.
Make sure you ignore the widely publicized reports that these guys were ordered to do this by MI and that Cambone had authorized these troops to operate under special rules.
Come on, who would have thought that there would be an outcry over mistreatment of terrorists?
SUSPECTED terrorists. You simply DO NOT KNOW that they are terrorists. The outcry is over the mistreatment of PRISONERS at the hands of American soldiers. Hell, I don't care if they personally crucified Jesus. They were TORTURED. And you, RIGHT HERE, are saying that it's not that big of a deal.
That is kind of an oxy-moron, no? Look at any action movie previous to 9/11 and you will see a systematic torture of terrorists and potential terrorists much to the delight of vast audiences. I feel this aside was not even considered.
You can tell the difference between movies and the real world, right? Right?