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post #201 of 213
5/5/04 at 8:27am
Quote:
Originally posted by dmz
I am not impressed, here guys. Couldn't you could run of out of ideas more gracfully?

I'm not impressed by you either. Could you dodge the important question any less obviously?

I'll join in: Is there any possible evidence that could convince you of the validity of evolution as a scientific theory? If so what?

If you can't answer this question, consider your argument a complete failure and this thread ended.
post #202 of 213
5/5/04 at 8:50am
Quote:
Originally posted by Brad
I'm not impressed by you either. Could you dodge the important question any less obviously?

I'll join in: Is there any possible evidence that could convince you of the validity of evolution as a scientific theory? If so what?

If you can't answer this question, consider your argument a complete failure and this thread ended.


I think this is very, very telling. The admistrator himself. How many of you tattled?

It should be patently obvious to a thinking person that the answer to this ongoing question is the very thing I am asking.

But you are all stung by the question---and resort to cheap games to avoid a direct, damaging assualt on your beliefs. I understand this isn't something any of you have been taught how to handle---academia has not kept it's house in order, and applied true scientific scrutiny to what evolution claims to be. But you should lose arguments with a little more class---maybe just admitting that you accept 99.9% of evolution on an irrational faith.

It's easy to "circle the wagons and dig" in at the University, or on National Geographic TV offeringsd where you don't have to answer hard questions; here on the Internet you should be prepared to be asked orginal questions that didn't end up on the cutting room floor, or went begging for a lack of funding.

Pathways between species, information-adding mutation incidence, times, rates of change while maintianing the healthiest, best-of-the-best creatures---all questions without any answers. How DARE I ask this--the nerve.

History will pass by those who will not adapt. ID is coming and none of you are ready. Tattling to the administrator will not help you.

In our desire to impose form on the world we have lost the capacity to see the form that is there;
and in that lies not liberation but alienation, the cutting off from things as they really are. --...

In our desire to impose form on the world we have lost the capacity to see the form that is there;
and in that lies not liberation but alienation, the cutting off from things as they really are. --...

post #203 of 213
5/5/04 at 8:52am
Right-Right. But besides that, is there any possible evidence that could convince you of the validity of evolution as a scientific theory? If so what?
post #204 of 213
5/5/04 at 8:53am
Oh hey, dmz, I forgot to ask: Is there any possible evidence that could convince you of the validity of evolution as a scientific theory? If so what?

Cheers
Scott
Gangs are not seen as legitimate, because they don't have control over public schools.
Gangs are not seen as legitimate, because they don't have control over public schools.
post #205 of 213
5/5/04 at 9:00am
Quote:
Originally posted by midwinter
Oh hey, dmz, I forgot to ask: Is there any possible evidence that could convince you of the validity of evolution as a scientific theory? If so what?

Cheers
Scott

Funny you ask that. You know-- I was walking down the street one day, and I thought casually to myself, "Is there any possible evidence that could convince..." You know the rest.
post #206 of 213
5/5/04 at 9:01am
I don't know about you guys but I honestly want to know if there is any evidence that will convince dmz of the validity of evolution as a scientific theory?
Perhaps he won't be able to tell us what this evidence is but he could define for us the conditions under which he might be prevailed upon to accept the theory of evolution. So dmz, if you are convincible, what sort of evidence would you need?
post #207 of 213
5/5/04 at 9:03am
This thread is awesome!
orange you just glad?
orange you just glad?
post #208 of 213
5/5/04 at 9:06am
BBsky,

That's a good question, and one of the reasons I'm not in favor of closing this thread. The other reason is deeply personal. You see, one day when I was young, my father pulled me aside and said "Son, I have something very important to tell you. This is one of those things that every man needs to hear and understand." He looked nervous. he kept shuffling his feet and kicking at the dirt, and even though he was several feet taller and me, and even though he was looking down, he still didn't look me in the eye. It was clear that what he was about to say weighed heavily on him and that he wanted to make sure I understood the seriousness of what he was about to say. He paused, knelt down, looked me dead in the eye and said "Is there any possible evidence that could convince you of the validity of evolution as a scientific theory? If so what?"
Gangs are not seen as legitimate, because they don't have control over public schools.
Gangs are not seen as legitimate, because they don't have control over public schools.
post #209 of 213
5/5/04 at 9:24am
DMZ, I got a quick yes/no question for ya buddy:

Is there any possible evidence that would convince you of the validity of evolution as a scientific theory?


Oh, and if there is, what would that evidence be?

If you can't answer this simple yes or no question, you have no business engaging in this topic of debate.
post #210 of 213
5/5/04 at 9:29am
You guys are complicating the issue. Personally, I'd like to ask dmz if there is any evidence at all that could convince him of the truth of evolution.

If there is, I'd hope he'd share it with us.
meh
meh
post #211 of 213
5/5/04 at 9:32am
post #212 of 213
5/5/04 at 9:34am
Quote:
There has to be an accepted incidence of information-adding mutations.

This goes back to the point about applying a teleological viewpoint to evolution. Evolution shouldn't be viewed as progressing towards end products (perhaps some set of optimal organisms) and placing more parts of the jigsaw, but as a process that wanders the genespace, finding (maybe) better points.

Anyway, "Is there any possible evidence that could convince you of the validity of creationism as a scientific theory? If so what?"
Stoo
Stoo
post #213 of 213
5/5/04 at 9:40am
Quote:
Originally posted by dmz
I think this is very, very telling. The admistrator himself. How many of you tattled?

Actually, I have not received a single message about this thread. I've been reading it since the day it was started and I was really interested in some of the early discussion. Yes, even admins "lurk" in threads without participating. In fact, I asked the other admins and mods if they saw any merit in keeping this thread open. Zero support was offered in this thread's favor.

The thread "evolved" into a discussion of what it takes to prove evolution over creationism. Frankly, though, it's become frustrating seeing you complete ignore and dodge the most simple, straightforward question being posed to you a dozen times now. It is central to where the discussion has moved. Yet, even in your reply to me, you completely avoid answering it, instead hiding behind the smoke and mirrors by claiming, "it should be obvious."

You failed answering the question for the last time. You obviously either have no case or you refuse to make it. My patience with this thread is at an end.
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