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post #41 of 319
5/11/04 at 5:29pm
I watched it. It is, of course, sickening. I am wondering why I watched it now.

burningwheel:

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thanks Mr. President

How dare you make this about Bush. Do you honestly think these animals would not hate Americans and everything we stand for had Al Gore been President? Or, had we not invaded Iraq?

This is the enemy we face. Someone tell me how "winning hearts and minds" is going to defeat them.
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post #42 of 319
5/11/04 at 5:31pm
I wanted to add that West Chester, where Nick Berg is from...is where I do my graduate work. It's 15 minutes from me.

Fucking bastards.
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post #43 of 319
5/11/04 at 5:50pm
Ah west chester... neither west of nor much like chester...

Now if he was from chester...
post #44 of 319
5/11/04 at 5:58pm
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Originally posted by SDW2001
I watched it. It is, of course, sickening. I am wondering why I watched it now.

burningwheel:

had we not invaded Iraq?

had we not invaded Iraq

if Gore was president and he invaded Iraq, i would blame it on him
post #45 of 319
5/11/04 at 6:17pm
This one really hits home - I grew up in West Chester. The YMCA mentioned in the CNN article is where I learned to swim, where my brother learned to swim. I think my brother may have known him.
post #46 of 319
5/11/04 at 6:22pm
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Originally posted by SDW2001
I watched it. It is, of course, sickening. I am wondering why I watched it now.

burningwheel:

thanks mr. president


I'm actually going to agree with you, SDW. I mean, i'm at the opposite end of the political spectrum as you, but I get very tired of this implied "we told you so" attitude that some of the left has taken on. This is raw horrific stuff that is going on, and we should be uniting us as humans to head towards a workable solution, not calling others names and resorting to petty attitudes.

I will not exempt the right from bitterness and name calling. I find it particularly offensive when my patriotism is questioned when I oppose violence.
post #47 of 319
5/11/04 at 6:26pm
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Originally posted by SDW2001
I watched it. It is, of course, sickening. I am wondering why I watched it now.

burningwheel:



How dare you make this about Bush. Do you honestly think these animals would not hate Americans and everything we stand for had Al Gore been President? Or, had we not invaded Iraq?

This is the enemy we face. Someone tell me how "winning hearts and minds" is going to defeat them.

We make this about Bush because he is the puppet that took the world to war. What I think is funny is how the focus is changing. From liberators from Saddam, then to rebuilding Iraq, now to punishing the people who are killing you. Maybe if America wasn't in Iraq killing innocents, then maybe people would not be being beheaded.

What stability has been brought to Iraq? All I can see is the polarisation of a nations hate towards foreigners.

I do not condone the beheading, but this is the bed you have made for yourself and now you have to lie in it. Enjoy the nightmares because I don't see it getting any better.
post #48 of 319
5/11/04 at 6:30pm
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Originally posted by The General
Yeah, Right....

What about pearle?

Have you forgotten the WTCs?
post #49 of 319
5/11/04 at 6:34pm
Al Queda has been barbaric from the begining - it has nothing to do with the abuse and torture at Abu Ghraib, which is despicable. I despise the Bush administration as much as anyone, but I think it is crass to try to blame this on Bush - the people who did this are the ones responsible, as are the torturers at Abu Ghraib. I'm afraid we are becoming the monsters we are trying to fight. It is going to be a long hot summer. I already feel that a threshold has been crossed, and I don't see any end to the violence until something truly horrifying occurs.
post #50 of 319
5/11/04 at 6:42pm
I hope you guys that are siding with these people remember that video when you try to defend AQ and terrorists in general. This is what they do.

There will be more and more of this unless this movement is defeated.

I sit here shaking after that. My body is totally numb.

I don't want to hear anyone say that guy deserved that. God, at least shoot him first.

Man o man.
post #51 of 319
5/11/04 at 6:54pm
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Originally posted by NaplesX
There will be more and more of this unless this movement is defeated.

Yup, and you'll get used to it. It's what Americans do best. Bombings/beheadings...what's the dif? Americans and Iraqis are dieing every f*cking day, every f*cking hour...I don't see what all the 'beheading' fuss is about honestly. Big deal. It's a quick way to die, thank god for that. At least they didn't rape him first.
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post #52 of 319
5/11/04 at 7:08pm
Waits Arabs outrage to this video.








Still waiting.







Still waiting.





Guess its not going to happen.

Most disgusting think I have ever seen.

Lets pull out and nuke.

Bastards
post #53 of 319
5/11/04 at 7:10pm
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Originally posted by 709
Yup, and you'll get used to it. It's what Americans do best. Bombings/beheadings...what's the dif? Americans and Iraqis are dieing every f*cking day, every f*cking hour...I don't see what all the 'beheading' fuss is about honestly. Big deal. It's a quick way to die, thank god for that. At least they didn't rape him first.

It was not quick at all.

Watch the video and say it was fast.
post #54 of 319
5/11/04 at 7:12pm
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It's a quick way to die,

You got to be kidding.

Strapping a bomb to yourself, these bastards favorite, is the quickest.
post #55 of 319
5/11/04 at 7:14pm
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Originally posted by msantti
Guess its not going to happen.

Most disgusting think I have ever seen.

Lets pull out and nuke.

Bastards [/B]

Just Iraq? Hell why stop there? Why not the whole middle east? Its easy to rush and say that but the fall out of what would happen would be worse than any beheading, any WTC attack/s. The world as we know it would change and not for the better. That is not an option.
post #56 of 319
5/11/04 at 7:18pm
Maybe.

They are freakinn barbaric over there.

Thought crap like that only existed in movies.

Only sickos would praise god after something like that.

SICKOS.
post #57 of 319
5/11/04 at 7:21pm
Other things aside...

Knowing what's that link points to...

WHY WOULD YOU WATCH IT?



i won't..
What contemptible scoundrel has stolen the cork to my lunch? _(W.C. Fields)
What contemptible scoundrel has stolen the cork to my lunch? _(W.C. Fields)
post #58 of 319
5/11/04 at 7:23pm
If we nuke the Middle East, though, we have to show videos of children in the streets slowly dying after half their skin is melted off their body. We have to show the people whose eyes were burned out of their sockets because they didn't turn away from the blast. Afterwards, we can bring the President or some other government or military official in to rationalize why we did the right thing, and to probably throw in the "God Bless America" line. Of course you wouldn't see the two showed right in sequence, but the idea is the same.

I do agree that it would be a fitting death for these rotten bastards, but unfortunately we'd end up killing thousands more innocent people at the same time. I totally understand the sentiment, though.

By the way, I did not watch the video and I do not intend to. I almost get sick just hearing it described.
post #59 of 319
5/11/04 at 7:24pm
First of all, I haven't watched the video, I don't intend to watch the video.

I still find it very strange that this 'civilian' was over there with no job, was 'detained' by the Iraqi Police and the US Military, and they don't want to talk about why he might have been over there. It sounds like this guy might have been a spy.

I wonder if we would have heard about this at all if not for the video being posted by the terrorists....
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post #60 of 319
5/11/04 at 7:27pm
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Originally posted by piwozniak
Other things aside...

Knowing what's that link points to...

WHY WOULD YOU WATCH IT?



i won't..

No one should watch it if they do not want to.

I personally like facing things that I do not understand. I actually have listened to arguments that maybe the US was arrogant and assuming and possibly bringing some of this on ourselves.

That video has clinched it for me. We are not facing humans, rather monsters.

Thousands upon thousands of them. Some possibly here among us right now, hailing this video as we speak, any malfeasance by a handful of US soldiers, aside.

God help us all.
post #61 of 319
5/11/04 at 7:33pm
Family knew what has happened to him, before this surfaced...

I really don't know what to say, i'm so sick of all this...

Everything about this war stinks, from whatever angle you look at it..

And this will just make it worse.

what the fvck is wrong with us ?
What contemptible scoundrel has stolen the cork to my lunch? _(W.C. Fields)
What contemptible scoundrel has stolen the cork to my lunch? _(W.C. Fields)
post #62 of 319
5/11/04 at 7:35pm
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Originally posted by NaplesX

I sit here shaking after that. My body is totally numb.

After reading how you, murbot and others reacted, I guess I won't let myself watch the video. It would be seared into my brain forever...and would undoubtedly be traumatizing.

I read an article this weekend in which a Saudi executioner was interviewed. He discussed cutting off heads, hands, legs. He seemed proud of his professionalism, and proud that his son was following him in his occupation.

If the guys who killed Nick Berg are so proud of themselves, why don't they show some courage and take off their masks? If they really are doing what God wishes, why disguise themselves? Why don't they want the world to know who they are? Could it be that they, too, realize how disgusting and primitive their deeds are?
Much have I seen and known...yet all experience is an arch, wherethrough gleams that untravelled world whose margin fades forever and forever when I move. - Tennyson
Much have I seen and known...yet all experience is an arch, wherethrough gleams that untravelled world whose margin fades forever and forever when I move. - Tennyson
post #63 of 319
5/11/04 at 7:36pm
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Originally posted by NaplesX
No one should watch it if they do not want to.

I personally like facing things that I do not understand. I actually have listened to arguments that maybe the US was arrogant and assuming and possibly bringing some of this on ourselves.

That video has clinched it for me. We are not facing humans, rather monsters.

Thousands upon thousands of them. Some possibly here among us right now, hailing this video as we speak, any malfeasance by a handful of US soldiers, aside.

God help us all.

...


What contemptible scoundrel has stolen the cork to my lunch? _(W.C. Fields)
What contemptible scoundrel has stolen the cork to my lunch? _(W.C. Fields)
post #64 of 319
5/11/04 at 7:38pm
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Originally posted by piwozniak
Family knew what has happened to him, before this surfaced...

I really don't know what to say, i'm so sick of all this...

Everything about this war stinks, from whatever angle you look at it..

And this will just make it worse.

what the fvck is wrong with us ?

By us you mean humans?

I think that the US is in the right here and are stuck, because it must be finished.

AQ is a sick and despicable group representing the worst of human nature.

I am with you, war is hell.
post #65 of 319
5/11/04 at 7:42pm
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Originally posted by Carol A
After reading how you, murbot and others reacted, I guess I won't let myself watch the video. It would be seared into my brain forever...and would undoubtedly be traumatizing.

I read an article this weekend in which a Saudi executioner was interviewed. He discussed cutting off heads, hands, legs. He seemed proud of his professionalism, and proud that his son was following him in his occupation.

If the guys who killed Nick Berg are so proud of themselves, why don't they show some courage and take off their masks? If they really are doing what God wishes, why disguise themselves? Why don't they want the world to know who they are? Could it be that they, too, realize how disgusting and primitive their deeds are?

Don't watch it, you sound like it would effect you badly. trust me it is the worst thing I have ever seen... ever.

One bad thing though, words cannot quite describe it. It is a catch 22 in that respect. You really never understand it till you see it.

You are right, these people are cowards, they know they will be instantly vaporized if they had shown their faces. So much for that chance at 70 virgins, huh?

Maybe next time.
post #66 of 319
5/11/04 at 7:43pm
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Originally posted by NaplesX
By us you mean humans?

I think that the US is in the right here and are stuck, because it must be finished.

AQ is a sick and despicable group representing the worst of human nature.

I am with you, war is hell.

Naples, stop with that AQ, bullsh*t.

I don't want to insult you, so i will try not to say anything bad, but...

..... tempting.... ...
nevermind.

Good Night everybody, let's hope tomorrow will be better..
What contemptible scoundrel has stolen the cork to my lunch? _(W.C. Fields)
What contemptible scoundrel has stolen the cork to my lunch? _(W.C. Fields)
post #67 of 319
5/11/04 at 7:44pm
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I hope you guys that are siding with these people

Who here has ever sided with AQ?
post #68 of 319
5/11/04 at 7:44pm
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Originally posted by NaplesX
By us you mean humans?

I think that the US is in the right here and are stuck, because it must be finished.

AQ is a sick and despicable group representing the worst of human nature.

I am with you, war is hell.

I'm not going to change your mind because it seems set firmly in place. What I will say is this.... killing is killing. No matter how you justify it.. it's still killing. Whether it's a war or terror, both sides have their causes. Neither of which I agree with.
post #69 of 319
5/11/04 at 7:45pm
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Originally posted by piwozniak
Naples, stop with that AQ, bullsh**t.

I don't want to insult you, so i will try not to say something bad, but...

..... tempting.... ...
nevermind.

Good Night everybody, let's hope tomorrow will be better..

As long as AQ and those that support them are in existence, I fear your hope for tomorrow will be shattered.
post #70 of 319
5/11/04 at 7:50pm
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Originally posted by Akumulator
I'm not going to change your mind because it seems set firmly in place. What I will say is this.... killing is killing. No matter how you justify it.. it's still killing. Whether it's a war or terror, both sides have their causes. Neither of which I agree with.

Accept that the terrorists have a vision of tyranny and fascism, death and dismemberment, war and havoc.

Even if what many assert as the purpose of this war, namely for control of oil, it is far milder that what the terrorist have in mind for all of us infidels.

I assert that the US has good motives, for the most part in this thing.

Which side do you wish to prevail in this now global war, because one side will win. That is the nature of wars.
post #71 of 319
5/11/04 at 7:51pm
ok, that video is messed up. i should have known better.

ugh.
post #72 of 319
5/11/04 at 7:52pm
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Originally posted by progmac
This is raw horrific stuff that is going on, and we should be uniting us as humans to head towards a workable solution, not calling others names and resorting to petty attitudes.


Amen brother.

All of the events in the world going on right now have hit me.

I truly hope peace can be found.

Fellowship
May the peace of the Lord be with you always

Share your smile, Have respect for others, and be loving to all peoples

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May the peace of the Lord be with you always

Share your smile, Have respect for others, and be loving to all peoples

Paul in Athens: Acts 17 : 16-34
post #73 of 319
5/11/04 at 7:53pm
i watched it in expose so i could make it go away as soon as possible. i dont know why i attempt these things, i have the weakest stomatch in the world.
post #74 of 319
5/11/04 at 7:54pm
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Originally posted by Cam'ron
i watched it in expose so i could make it go away as soon as possible. i dont know why i attempt these things, i have the weakest stomatch in the world.

I had to fight throwing up.

I feel for you, really.
post #75 of 319
5/11/04 at 7:58pm
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Originally posted by sammi jo
Yes...why am I watching this video? Shudder. This kind of stuff is too horrific to stomach...makes one wonder how low human beings can sink, and if there is any limit to what humans will do to others, especially by those in a position of phsyical advantage/strength over another. I remember feeling the same anger/sadness/frustration/revulsion when watching the murder of Rachel Corrie, another American citizen getting deliberately crushed, under an Israeli bulldozer, the driver driving forwards then reversing repeatedly over her broken body. In stark contrast with the reactions to the deaths of (for example) Daniel Pearl and the recent spate of executions of US civilians in Iraq, Rachel's horrendous, vicious fate was ignored at best, and praised at worst, by many in the American mainstream.


Unbelievable.

An American is brutally murdered by Arab terrorists in the middle of Iraq and Sammi feels the need to remind us that the Jews are bad people too.


I've decided not to watch it, based on some of the reactions here.
My deepest sympathies go out to his family.
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The evil that we fight is but the shadow of the evil that we do.
post #76 of 319
5/11/04 at 7:59pm
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Originally posted by Fellowship
Amen brother.

All of the events in the world going on right now have hit me.

I truly hope peace can be found.

Fellowship

I don't think that peace can be had until evildoers know that good people will not put up with this any longer.

I also agree unity is key, but unity against evil.

We all have a responsibility to stick up for those that cannot for themselves. I truly feel that we all need to get up off of our apathetic asses and do the right thing every day. This is where it truly starts.
post #77 of 319
5/11/04 at 8:02pm
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He discussed cutting off heads, hands, legs. He seemed proud of his professionalism, and proud that his son was following him in his occupation.

Why am I not surprised?

Must be an extra curricular course in their education system.
post #78 of 319
5/11/04 at 8:03pm
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Originally posted by Rick1138
Al Queda has been barbaric from the begining - it has nothing to do with the abuse and torture at Abu Ghraib, which is despicable. I despise the Bush administration as much as anyone, but I think it is crass to try to blame this on Bush - the people who did this are the ones responsible, as are the torturers at Abu Ghraib. I'm afraid we are becoming the monsters we are trying to fight. It is going to be a long hot summer. I already feel that a threshold has been crossed, and I don't see any end to the violence until something truly horrifying occurs.

Doesn't the saying go to beat a monster you need to become a monster? I have your horrific event right here. Lets flash back to 1945 and see what happens to Japan. As a person said earlier why stop their. Nuke afganistan, nuke pakistan, nuke north korea, nuke egypt, nuke lybria, and let just nuke the whole world as we are at it, YEAHHHHHHHHHHHHH!
post #79 of 319
5/11/04 at 8:10pm
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Lets flash back to 1945 and see what happens to Japan

I need to go back to 1941 and see who started that whole mess.
post #80 of 319
5/11/04 at 8:12pm
or we could try and keep this thread from massive derailment and pretty much agree it's this was a terrible thing, and not try to cheapen things with stupid, transparent political agendas.
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