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10 are reported to be children. link

Time to stop this madness. This is Sharon trying to destabilize Gaza the most before withdrawing.
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I usually withold harsh judgement towards Israel because I think that they are fighting for their lives.

But lately they have been completely abusing any goodwill that I could possibly retain towards them.

This is outright murder. This is the kind of thing that should go down in history with a name, like the 'Vallintine's day Massacre" etc.

And these damn settlements!! They are filled with outrageous hateful racist Fundametntalists who think that Pallistinians are less than apes . . . I don't know how many interviews with settlers I have seen or read where they can not help themselves but to start ranting like extreme biggots.
These settlements, besides being illegal, immoral and thuggish, are not worth a single life lost in this 'Massacre'

Israel better start acting like a civilized country if it wants even half of the Palastinians to act civilized in return . . . . sure we all know that some of the PA just want them dead . . . . but most, I am quickly coming to believe, are reacting to this kind of brutality .
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Bush refuses to condemn attack....

Imagine my shock
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post #4 of 260
Surely all AlQuaida terrorists, especially the children. Trying to destabilize Israel by demonstration, that's going to teach them a lesson in democracy.
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Well I don't know what to say, excepting that it must stop
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Well I don't know what to say, excepting that it must stop

I've heard that one before, but unfortunately it doesn't work.

Time for the U.N. to enforce the pre '64 boundries.
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post #7 of 260
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Originally posted by New
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Time to stop this madness. This is Sharon trying to destabilize Gaza the most before withdrawing.


Why didn't you post when the Arabs bobmed the Jews and danced in the streets with a bag full of dismembered body parts? No "stop this madness" for that?
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Originally posted by Scott
Why didn't you post when the Arabs bobmed the Jews and danced in the streets with a bag full of dismembered body parts? No "stop this madness" for that?

Maybe because those jews were IDF soldiers and not children
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Originally posted by ericg
Maybe because those jews were IDF soldiers and not children

So then dancing with a bag full of their body parts is not madness that needs to stop?
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Originally posted by Scott
Why didn't you post when the Arabs bobmed the Jews and danced in the streets with a bag full of dismembered body parts? No "stop this madness" for that?

Since you seem to disagree with the call to stop this side of the madness, you believe that firing rockets to kill kids is OK if the right side does it?
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Since you seem to disagree with the call to stop this side of the madness, you believe that firing rockets to kill kids is OK if the right side does it?

No I think being one sided against Israel results in an anti-Semetic effect.


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In a sence the only side that needs to "stop" is the jews with in turn would lead to genocide.
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Originally posted by Scott
So then dancing with a bag full of their body parts is not madness that needs to stop?

Ofcourse, I can see no good for that kind of behaviour.. I can understand it.. but it won't achieve anything other than disgust
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Originally posted by Scott
No I think being one sided against Israel results in an anti-Semetic effect.

Lemme see, what about being one-sided against the Palestinians? By basic logic this results in an anti-Palestine effect (to be precise anti-semitic, since all those guys down there are semites, but let's not be too picky).

Not even mentioning you attempt to derail this thread and sidetrack the issue - after all, it is not exactly anti-semitism that killed those kids, but tank and/or helicopter rounds.
post #14 of 260
Look at the part of the article that New chose not to quote


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Military sources said that troops had spotted the approaching demonstrators, among them armed men

Why'd you leave that out New?
post #15 of 260
Scott even the Israeli gov't has apologized for this. I'm not sure why you're defending it by pointing out the demonstrators had guns. According to this article:
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Ra'anan Gissin, senior adviser to Israeli prime minister Ariel Sharon, urged people not to jump to conclusions about what had happened.

"I assure you one thing: there are no rules of engagement in the IDF or among security forces that allow firing direct or high-trajectory fire into a crowd. So if there was, it was against the rules or by mistake," Gissin told CNN.

He expressed "my deep regrets on behalf of the Israeli government" for the loss of innocent lives, "regardless of how they were killed."

It seems they might have been shooting missiles/tank shells at nearby abandoned buildings in order to scare the crowds. I'm sorry, but that's pretty stupid.
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Originally posted by Scott
Look at the part of the article that New chose not to quoteWhy'd you leave that out New?

Oh my God, he's got a gun! Quick, fire the tank at all those people!
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post #17 of 260
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Originally posted by Scott
No I think being one sided against Israel results in an anti-Semetic effect.


Edit to add:

In a sence the only side that needs to "stop" is the jews with in turn would lead to genocide.

I've never been a supporter of banning anyone. I even thought mika deserved more leverage at times.

but right now Scott. I think your beyond comprehension. I have a jewish family. The Rabbi in my cousins Bar-Mitzvah later became Deputy Minister of Foreign Affairs in Israel. People like you are more dangerous to jews and jewish culture than anything I could say.

If you continue to throw around the term "anti-Semitic" more now you really should be banned. Your attitude here is close to fundamentalistic. You bring nothing to the discussion.

Since this is my thread, I dare you to contribute a positive thought. What do you see as a possible positive development in the middle east?

And please, don't just disappear like you normally do...
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post #18 of 260
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Originally posted by Scott
Why didn't you post when the Arabs bobmed the Jews and danced in the streets with a bag full of dismembered body parts? No "stop this madness" for that?

Yeah . . .I'm all for stopping that madness too!!
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post #19 of 260
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Originally posted by New
And please, don't just disappear like you normally do...

I think you've wrong on this point.
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post #20 of 260
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Originally posted by New
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And please, don't just disappear like you normally do...

Please? You can hardly get rid of me.


How 'bout it New? Why not thread when the arab muslims are dancing in the streets with a bag full of body parts from dead jews? Why do you wait until Israel does something then present a completely one sided thread?
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Originally posted by Scott
How 'bout it New? Why not thread when the arab muslims are dancing in the streets with a bag full of body parts from dead jews? Why do you wait until Israel does something then present a completely one sided thread?

Do the Palestinians dance in the street with body parts of civilian Israelis? If not, then your lies are proven yet again to be worthless in yet another thread.

Thanks for playing!
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post #22 of 260
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Do the Palestinians dance in the street with body parts of civilian Israelis? If not, then your lies are proven yet again to be worthless in yet another thread.

Thanks for playing!

Yes they did. You didn't know?
post #23 of 260
Scott's right. The bulldozing of dozens (maybe hundreds) of homes - a few of which might harbor terrorists - and the indiscriminant straffing of civilian areas with rockets, must be allowed to continue! Nothing the Israeli military does in the name of self-defense is wrong. Ever. GOT IT?

Israelis are always victims defending themselves, Palenstinians are always terrorists getting what they deserve. That's all there is to it. Just take it and shut up everyone; we have no right to criticize. We are hypocrits to not support everything the Israeli government does.
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post #24 of 260
No. What I'm curious about, if New would come back to this thread but seems to have run off, is why he runs right to AO and post some thread about the last thing Israel has done while completely ignoring the horrible and barbaric actions from the arab muslims. Why is he so consistently one sided in his criticism.

Maybe it's that he has such low expectations from the muslims?
post #25 of 260
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Originally posted by Scott
Why didn't you post when the Arabs bobmed the Jews and danced in the streets with a bag full of dismembered body parts? No "stop this madness" for that?

AGAIN with the "their bad is worse so our bad is not as bad".

Bad is bad.
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Originally posted by tonton
AGAIN with the "their bad is worse so our bad is not as bad".

Bad is bad.

When did I say they were worse?
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Originally posted by Scott
When did I say they were worse?

When you excused Israel by bringing up the off-topic, fallacious argument that New is one sided because he didn't condemn the atrocious acts of the Palestinians.

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Why didn't you post when the Arabs bobmed the Jews and danced in the streets with a bag full of dismembered body parts? No "stop this madness" for that?

Be honest, Scott. You, together with Trumpt and SDW, as well as the childish NaplesX are by far the most one-sided, partisan posters on these boards. I have never once heard any of you complain that what Bush does is wrong or that what Israel does is wrong (without saying or implying "but" the terrorists or the Palestinians or the Muslims are worse).
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Some in here should be made into a comic strip of some sort.
Just some advice guys. If you're gonna use "big words" like SEMITIC, at least make an effort to LEARN how they're spelled first.
I would also recommend reading up on Israel . Not all Israelis are "the jews". A little over 20% of the Israeli population is not Jewish.

Back on topic. I for one, am getting tired of this conflict. And I've said that to my Israeli friends a few times. It's too bad we can't put the same amount of pressure on both sides to seriously sit down and negotiate (undoubtedly giving up something)for the benefit of both the Israeli and the Palestinian people.
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War on terrorism? What a dumb, pathetic joke. How duplicitous and non-credible we are.

When terrorism and massacres are dealt out by the US, and our "friends and allies", such as the regimes of Saddam Hussein (1977-1990), Suharto of Indonesia, Sharon of Israel (and many numerous others since WW2), with our money, arms, and approval, it's deemed "legitimate". (?????????) Israel under Sharon is a rogue state, period, and Ariel Sharon is a rogue leader, period. Israel sponsors and partakes in terrorism, make no mistake. The $billions that Israel receives from the US taxpayer should be halted, as from now. Furthermore, Israel must abide by UN Resolution 242, just like the dozens of other UN resolutions it has roundly ignored and thumbed its nose at the international community with impunity, because it just happens to be the US's favorite, no matter how badly it behaves. In addition, UN weapons inspectors should perform thorough inspections of Israel's nuclear, biological and chemical weapons facilities, in order to purge the middle east of WMD.

Israel under Sharon and the US under Bush share the same status: states that sponsor, and harbor terrorists. This is the view of much of the world. And guess what, as if we didnt already know? The middle east is full of reactionary dipshits who demand revenge, extremist Muslim groups being the Arab cheerleaders for such. How many bin Laden copycats are we trying to create?
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Wow such harsh words for the Jewish state SJO. What do you say about Arafat, Hamas, IJ and the rest. Nothing? Next time a bomb blows up a bus full of kids in Israel run straight here and post about how the arab terrorists need to stop the "cycle of violence" and how they're methods only creates a thousand more Sharons and that the "madness needs to end" and other useless slogans that are only trotted out for the Jewish state.
post #31 of 260
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Originally posted by Scott
Wow such harsh words for the Jewish state SJO. What do you say about Arafat, Hamas, IJ and the rest. Nothing? Next time a bomb blows up a bus full of kids in Israel run straight here and post about how the arab terrorists need to stop the "cycle of violence" and how they're methods only creates a thousand more Sharons and that the "madness needs to end" and other useless slogans that are only trotted out for the Jewish state.

Scott, go look at the AO archives. If you won't I can. My commentary on the PLO and Hamas is equally, if not more harsh. And, just for your information, Hamas was created by the Israeli Govt. 2 decades ago as a counter to Arafat's PLO. I guess that makes Hamas more legit for you?

And Scott, judging from your reply, it sounds as if you approve of terrorism?
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post #32 of 260
I'd say the Darwin criterias should be applicable here. If you happen to be in a large crowd marching angrily toward a group of tanks and helis, don't follow with the crowd! Take some cover, go home, just don't be part of the crowd. Evidently, this survival technique has evaded those protestors. They took the gamble that nothing bad would happen, and this is what you get. What did they accomplish in the end? Exactly.
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Edit: Counted to ten. Still angry at randycat's response, but going to try and avoid name calling.
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I'd say the Darwin criterias should be applicable here. If you happen to be in a large crowd marching angrily toward a group of tanks and helis, don't follow with the crowd! Take some cover, go home, just don't be part of the crowd. Evidently, this survival technique has evaded those protestors. They took the gamble that nothing bad would happen, and this is what you get. What did they accomplish in the end? Exactly.

Randycat, they are probably in similar danger at home as in a crowd. The Israelis often shell, or fire missiles at Palestinian's homes, or bulldoze them. Hell.... they even do such things to American aid workers, with impunity. Perhaps those Palestinians were thinking safety in numbers i.e. the herd instinct, which is also Darwinian, if that's where you want to go.
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Randycat99 you forgot "with armed gunman in an area known to be a supply line for terrorist.

Naw. It's just easier to click your brain off and blame the Jewish state are every turn.
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Randycat, they are probably in similar danger at home as in a crowd. The Israelis often shell, or fire missiles at Palestinian's homes, or bulldoze them. Hell.... they even do such things to American aid workers, with impunity. Perhaps those Palestinians were thinking safety in numbers i.e. the herd instinct, which is also Darwinian, if that's where you want to go.

Ridiculous. If there is a bulldozer coming at your home, the Darwin criteria should tell you to get out. More importantly, don't stand in front of a bulldozer like a dumb rock. Barring that, they should have been quite safe at home.

If you are going to even bother with a "safety in numbers" defense, then you must concede that they knew they were walking into a dangerous situation (as opposed to taking cover, going home, or otherwise leaving the crowd), and were expecting casualties. So there you have it. This happened exactly the way it was supposed to. Most survived (for a needless demonstration) as per "safety in numbers", and an expected fraction of the group are carried out as casualties.

You shall then logically agree that no sympathy need be shed on this group of protestors, other than why couldn't they be smart enough to not "take on" a battalion of tanks and helicopters.
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Ridiculous. If there is a bulldozer coming at your home, the Darwin criteria should tell you to get out. More importantly, don't stand in front of a bulldozer like a dumb rock. Barring that, they should have been quite safe at home.

If you are going to even bother with a "safety in numbers" defense, then you must concede that they knew they were walking into a dangerous situation (as opposed to taking cover, going home, or otherwise leaving the crowd), and were expecting casualties. So there you have it. This happened exactly the way it was supposed to. Most survived (for a needless demonstration) as per "safety in numbers", and an expected fraction of the group are carried out as casualties.

You shall then logically agree that no sympathy need be shed on this group of protestors, other than why couldn't they be smart enough to not "take on" a battalion of tanks and helicopters.

Rember this:



sometimes people put themselves in the way of harm in order to fight for what they believe in.
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So you are implying that these protestors intended to put themselves in harms way? Then you very well cannot look down your nose at the Israeli forces.

So have either of these "causes" moved ahead after these particular events? I guess it gave the media something to do today, right? There's something to be said for giving your life up for something that will actually make a difference and just giving it up for nothing.
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So you are implying that these protesters intended to put themselves in harms way? Then you very well cannot look down your nose at the Israeli forces.

So have either of these "causes" moved ahead after these particular events? I guess it gave the media something to do today, right? There's something to be said for giving your life up for something that will actually make a difference and just giving it up for nothing.

Man alive, some peoples kids!!!

I'm sure that little Chinese college student didn't "INTEND" on standing in front of a tank convoy risking life and limb when he woke up that morning. I'm sure that student "INTENDED" on protesting the inequities within China thus he, and a large group of others, gather to show their displeasure.

I know its hard for some to see the similarities between a student protest and a Palestinian protest. I know its difficult to understand that some people will risk their lives for a cause which "THEY", not you, believe in.

PS I'm not going to reply to you again. Your comments seem to make me ill and angry for some reason. I can tell from your post here and in other threads that you have no grasp of history and/or sociopolitical dynamics.
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Ridiculous. If there is a bulldozer coming at your home, the Darwin criteria should tell you to get out. More importantly, don't stand in front of a bulldozer like a dumb rock. Barring that, they should have been quite safe at home.

Ridiculous? The IDF bulldozers often operate at night, while Palestinian homeowners are sleeping. And how are they safe at home against tank rounds, automatic weapons, and missiles launched from a distance?

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If you are going to even bother with a "safety in numbers" defense, then you must concede that they knew they were walking into a dangerous situation (as opposed to taking cover, going home, or otherwise leaving the crowd), and were expecting casualties. So there you have it. This happened exactly the way it was supposed to. Most survived (for a needless demonstration) as per "safety in numbers", and an expected fraction of the group are carried out as casualties.

Why should it be so unsafe to take part in a protest in your home town? And why would people marching in the streets be the targets of bombs or missiles? For an answer, perhaps ask the relatives of the Israeli folk who have been blown up in restaurants and on buses. Same deal. Both sides use terrorist methods. One side happens to do it with a high tech military paid for by we the US taxpayer, and the other side with a bunch of desperate rag tags with nothing left to lose.

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You shall then logically agree that no sympathy need be shed on this group of protestors, other than why couldn't they be smart enough to not "take on" a battalion of tanks and helicopters. [/B]

The protesters were just doing that, protesting. From what we know, they were not firing at the Israeli aircaft
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