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Is the support of a G5 debuting at MWSF 02 better now?

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Apple is hyping it up more than ever. they must know that a good number of people are expecting a G5 or at least think there is a chance of a G5 debuting. would they be hyping it this much if they were going to dissapoint those people?

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[quote]Originally posted by applenut:
<strong>Apple is hyping it up more than ever. they must know that a good number of people are expecting a G5 or at least think there is a chance of a G5 debuting. would they be hyping it this much if they were going to dissapoint those people?</strong><hr></blockquote>

Are a good number of "people" or "psychotic AI denizens with nothing better to do on New Year's Day" expecting G5s?

I think the general Mac population may have an inkling about the G5, but I don't know if they're expecting them.

I know most are expecting an iMac.

Virginia, I want to believe in the G5 for MWSF-- really I do. That would make it a wonderful life this 2002.
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post #3 of 31
Your right: It seems odd if Apple isn't going to release the G5 with all that hype. But actually I think that Apple hasn't given this that much a thought.

Apple has a tendence to hype their new products (e.g. iPod - breaktrough ??? :confused: ). Me myself are as certain as one can be that the G5 won't be released based on the few facts we have been presented from Apple and Motorola.

And therefore I think that Apple is doing a major mistake because disappointed macfans equals angry macfans. But if Apple have new excellent digital device or the G4 gets a big jump in speed - e.g. 1.4 -1.8 Mhz, then it will not be that bad.

But hey... only time will tell (I hope I'm wrong, but it seems most unlikely)

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post #4 of 31
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I don't these slogans at Apple are targeted at the "general mac people".

and its not just us who are speculating on the G5. major news sites have picked up on reports and I'm sure techTV will say it again
post #5 of 31
I don't know. Here's my take:

I think there are several types of Mac people, and people like us who hang out at Mac-centric forums, discuss the technical end of things, speculate about future products, etc. always look ahead and hold the bar high. Probably TOO high, truth be known.

But, in general, part of me thinks that we're the minority. A small, albeit vocal and savvy, chunk of the Mac-using, Apple-buying universe.

Part of me thinks Apple isn't talking to US (or other more "geeky" leaning segments) and are simply talking to the population at large, who do own iMacs and iBooks and stuff, but AREN'T into every little detail about the processors, video cards, etc.

I mean, believe it or not, some people buy a Mac and just use it for surfing, writing and listening to music and they've never once visited a site like this, they don't really go to maccentral.com or macnn.com.

The same way that I drive a Saturn or play Gibson guitars...but I'm not at their websites 5 times a day and I honestly couldn't tell you much about the products and goings-on at either company. I don't know, nor care, what new sedans or coupes Saturn has lined up for next year. Lots of people buy Macs, use them, love them, cherish them, etc. BUT they don't get into the whole culture and backstory of it all, nor do they think beyond to the "next big thing".

They just have a cute blue computer, and for them, that's simply enough.

Does that make sense?

I think for the regular-guy Mac user, the events of next Monday ARE huge (new iMac, really fast G4s, a new iApp and perhaps even a new digital device?).

To be honest, those are big deals even to ME. I would be completely satisfied with a fast, high-MHz G3-based iMac. And I don't really have any expectations or opinions on a G5 because that's not my bag.

I think Apple is looking at the overall, well-rounded consumer population out there (the iMac buyers, basically) and are speaking to them.

I think many of you are going to be let down on Monday, but the average non-geek will probably be thrilled to pieces.

That's my whole take on it.

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post #6 of 31
It's not changed my guesses about MWSF, Just because Apple are hyping doesn't mean people like us at AI with our G5 predictions are right.

I think, like others have said, it's aimed more at computer/mac users as a whole - Most of which have probably never heard of a G5 anyway.

A new iMac and something unexpected will certainly be big things.. And updated G4's should stop us moaning a little.

btw... Its MWSF 02 not 01

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post #7 of 31
It's all about perspective.

post #8 of 31
Support for new G5. It's only rumours. It's pretty bad when you start believing in the rumours of the rumours. Fact is no one on these boards knows what will be released. Actually someone knows but they aren't going to tell. It's like someone telling you what your Christmas present is before Christmas, kinda kills it.

I'll be happy w/ a dual 1.2 Ghz DDR mac and the thought that a G5 will be available at some time. Even if the G5 is announced at MWSF it probably wouldn't be around til March. Even then I'd wait until the next upgrade and a drop in price. I already bought the first 733Mhz in Jan 2001 (actually didn't come til March) only to have it worth half of what I paid in August. It was worth it, given the upgrade from a beige G3 500Mhz (worth it in time saved using the Mac 733 for work).

But the reports are all fun, even Mastergater and Codename, something to do before MWSF. Enjoy the hype, what will be will be!
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post #9 of 31
pscates,

i hear you, but I cant think that this is directed at a joe-mac, they would see it and think "um thats nice" and find something more interesting to do.

This is for US. Everyone who was disappointed at MWNW and the speculators, everyone who gets into a frenzy when Apple wipes its arse.

They really must have something really awesome to deliver, knowing that, if they were BSing, then the/us mac fanatics would bring the company too its knees after their joke
post #10 of 31
[quote]Originally posted by pscates:
<strong>It's all about perspective.

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post #11 of 31
[quote]Originally posted by MarcUK:
<strong>They really must have something really awesome to deliver, knowing that, if they were BSing, then the/us mac fanatics would bring the company too its knees after their joke</strong><hr></blockquote>

How is bitching and whining on a message board bringing ANYONE to their knees? Are some of you guys going to go up in a nighttime commando raid and demolish the Cupertino campus and kidnap Steve and hold him until a G5 is released?



Starting 417 threads next Monday afternoon about how "Apple SUCKS!!!" is hardly a kneel-inducing tactic.



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post #12 of 31
MarcUK - I agree with you! The average Mac user doesn't go to Apple.com everyday. The average Mac user doesn't know the dates for MWSF, much less when Steve Jobs keynote is. So I'm expecting to be "blown away"!

Does that mean G5? I hope so because I want PowerMacs to be faster than any PC. There just may not be a G5 yet, there may not be G4 iMacs, there may not be 1Ghz iBooks, there may not be &lt;insert your desire here&gt;, but I expect SJ to announce something that will put a smile on all of our faces.

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post #13 of 31
I didn't mean *us* in general. I meant everyone who attended MWSF expecting miracles. All the PR. All the stockbrokers. All the News. and of course there would be fallout in AI and the other boards. Mr Dell would be laughing his arse off at Apples stupid bacfire - IF it wasnt true
post #14 of 31
I know. I was just being silly.
post #15 of 31
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[quote]Originally posted by TMA:
<strong>It's not changed my guesses about MWSF, Just because Apple are hyping doesn't mean people like us at AI with our G5 predictions are right.

I think, like others have said, it's aimed more at computer/mac users as a whole - Most of which have probably never heard of a G5 anyway.

A new iMac and something unexpected will certainly be big things.. And updated G4's should stop us moaning a little.

btw... Its MWSF 02 not 01

TMA</strong><hr></blockquote>

the people you describe don't give a crap about MWSF and they never go to the apple website daily.

face it: Apple is targetiing the "mac faithful" not the mac population in whole
post #16 of 31
Like I've said in another thread if it was going to be another nothing event why would they draw so much attention to it?

For those of you who think the G5 rumors are flowing through the veins of just AI members you really should get out on the web more often. This rumor is everywhere. Expectations run high everywhere. Apple knows this so I really don't think they would try to pump it up even more if it was going to be anything less than the G5 or something just as big.

Oh Applenut, shouldn't that be 02? Not trying to pick , just a question.

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post #17 of 31
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thanks jimmac, that's exactly my point.

BTW, thanks for the tip on the typo. not used to this 2002 business yet
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In answer to a suggestion that if this turns out to be a bust Macusers would bring Apple to it's knees : Well, not so much bringing Apple to it's knees so much as one more log on the fire of feeling that Apple has let us down.

Apple really can't afford this now. It's core users are what keeps it afloat. If they start becoming jaded and distrusting of Apple to come through for them it wouldn't be good for Apple.

The reason MS is everywhere is because of opinion or word of mouth. An impression by the not too informed public that they are better some how ( or you had better get on the band wagon or get left behind ). Apple doesn't need an impression that pushes the public in the other direction ( I.E. you can't trust Apple or Apple is dieing they never come up with anything new and are falling behind ). The people at Apple aren't stupid so why hype something that's going to be nothing when ( given the current expectations ) would leave them with incredibly bad PR ?

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post #19 of 31
Your welcome Applenut.
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post #20 of 31
As to the hype, they're also competing with publicity from CES and publicity is what sells product.
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post #21 of 31
I didn't just mean AI members knowing about the G5, but I see your point..

I think maybe you're right and I am persuaded to change my mind - it does seem like its aimed at the 'Mac Faithful' rather than computer users in general.

It still doesn't present strong enough evidence for me to beleive there is a G5 coming, but I do believe we will be 'Blown away'.

I'm already excited about what tomorrows expo msg will be on apple.com! (thats if it doesn't go offline)

Come on Steve, drop us some hints!

TMA

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post #22 of 31
I think this is the biggest hype from Apple since the 1984 "If you miss the 4th quarter of the SuperBowl, you'll be sorry" thing.
post #23 of 31
I think this is the biggest hype from Apple since the 1984 "If you miss the 4th quarter of the SuperBowl, you'll be sorry" thing.
post #24 of 31
pscates writes:

[quote] I think there are several types of Mac people, and people like us who hang out at Mac-centric forums, discuss the technical end of things, speculate about future products, etc. always look ahead and hold the bar high. Probably TOO high, truth be known. <hr></blockquote>

OK, agreed that it is unlikely "most" mac users are mac heads like us....but setting the bar too high? WTF???

How is expecting decent specs for a PREMIUM price expecting too much? Maybe some idiots here want pro specs in for rock bottom price, but I'm not one of them.

1) Selling a machine with ATA/66 for $3499 is ridiculous
2) Selling a $3499 machine that gets wiped up by an athalon box that is half its price is also a ****ing joke.
3) Selling a machine for $3499 with a 133mhz bus is a ****ing joke.

....without a freakin monitor too!!!

These things would also be a joke at $2999, 2499 and 2199.

I'm sorry, but when it comes to desktops, Apple is not just behind, they are WAY behind. And, they charge a premium for it. I don't mind paying a premium for the best or even paying a premium for comparable specs with the Mac OS and famous Apple design. But, right now....it is a joke.

I will simply not accept a 933, 1ghz, 1.2 ghz line up. I am going to buy a pro machine sometime this year.....and let me tell you....there is no way I would buy one with those speeds....even with DDR and what not. Screw that, I'll just buy my wife a portable and we'll use that and my Pismo.

Obviously the iMac needs an update/redesign...I won't even get into that.

And let me tell you about real world performance, as many of you claim is Apple's real focus: I have played with the top of line hardware and although the design is stunning, it ain't THAT quick. Certainly not $3499 quick. Even basic OSX stuff (navigating through it and what not) isn't fast enough for that price.

I love Apple, but it is time for a MAJOR Pro hardware upgrade now.

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<a href="http://dealchat.com/mac/read.html?id=619899&thread=618791" target="_blank">http://dealchat.com/mac/read.html?id=619899&thread=618791</a>

Are these the real announcements?

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Date:Â*Â*Â*01-01-02 20:34
All iMacs will be flat screens much like the 20th anniversary form factor, but with a cool side slot loading CDROM. All iMacs processors are bumped to g4 starting at 550 Mhz going to 1 Ghz. ( I think) and the entry level price is $999.00

The G5 is introduced at 1 Ghz and goes to to 1.5. They will be in the Quicksilver tower. HD up to 100 gigs. 1.5 gig towers will ship in early March. 1 gigs are available now ( at showtime). New 48 Meg video cards from NVIDIA. No dual processor machines yet. Priced from $1699.00 to $3499.00

Apples standard mouse and keyboard are now wireless. No lag!

A new home multimedia player is introduced that uses Airport and is controlled either by a front control panel identical the iPod right down to the lcd screen, it you can also control it remotely from your Mac using itunes 2.5 The new player holds 40 Gigs of music and can play quicktime home movies on your TV from the composite video out. Again, you can upload via wireless, firewire, or via slot loading dvd located in the side. $459.00

The iPod is now available in a 10 gig unit for $399.00 and the base unit drops by $100 bucks.

TI Book gets speed bump up to 1 gighz

No ibook annoucements.

Don't ask me for more information. I have told you what I know.
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Oh and regarding the question is this thread: YES, I think so.
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post #27 of 31
That's one helluva post you dug up... it almost has me believing. Nah.
post #28 of 31
[quote]Originally posted by SDW2001:
<strong>pscates writes:



OK, agreed that it is unlikely "most" mac users are mac heads like us....but setting the bar too high? WTF???

How is expecting decent specs for a PREMIUM price expecting too much? Maybe some idiots here want pro specs in for rock bottom price, but I'm not one of them.

1) Selling a machine with ATA/66 for $3499 is ridiculous
2) Selling a $3499 machine that gets wiped up by an athalon box that is half its price is also a ****ing joke.
3) Selling a machine for $3499 with a 133mhz bus is a ****ing joke.

....without a freakin monitor too!!!

These things would also be a joke at $2999, 2499 and 2199.

I'm sorry, but when it comes to desktops, Apple is not just behind, they are WAY behind. And, they charge a premium for it. I don't mind paying a premium for the best or even paying a premium for comparable specs with the Mac OS and famous Apple design. But, right now....it is a joke.

I will simply not accept a 933, 1ghz, 1.2 ghz line up. I am going to buy a pro machine sometime this year.....and let me tell you....there is no way I would buy one with those speeds....even with DDR and what not. Screw that, I'll just buy my wife a portable and we'll use that and my Pismo.

Obviously the iMac needs an update/redesign...I won't even get into that.

And let me tell you about real world performance, as many of you claim is Apple's real focus: I have played with the top of line hardware and although the design is stunning, it ain't THAT quick. Certainly not $3499 quick. Even basic OSX stuff (navigating through it and what not) isn't fast enough for that price.

I love Apple, but it is time for a MAJOR Pro hardware upgrade now.

[ 01-01-2002: Message edited by: SDW2001 ]

[ 01-01-2002: Message edited by: SDW2001 ]</strong><hr></blockquote>

Bravo!! I agree with you 100% You also forgot to mention only ONE full drive bay, no internal FireWire drive support, only two USB/FireWire ports (none in the front), tiny amounts of included RAM (with it being so cheap, for $3500 dollars it should come with 1.5 GB default) to name a few.

When you really start comparing current Apple desktop offering to top-end PC's you quickly realize that the PowerMac G4's are JUNK that are in need of a serious revision.


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post #29 of 31
Not a chance in hell that Apple introduces a G5 in the existing enclosure. There are two things sincerely wrong with that:

1) The enclosure is dated. The G5 is revolutionary. Steve is a marketing guy. Need to clearly differentiate from the past and a new case is the most identifiable way to do it.

2) I have the QS case and can tell you that despite the easy access, it is sincerely flawed. The drive bays are hard to access and work with when you have more than 2 drive installed, and the proliferation of fans, which dont work well and create a ton of noise, is a fatal flaw.

I believe that the G5 will debut but this persons info is unacceptable to me.
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post #30 of 31
A GHZ+ bump of the G4 would be a turd!

Big freakin deal. It would put me to sleep big time.

The only thing that would make an update to the Powermac line newsworthy is a G5.

If this does not happen, then I hope the new iMac is "Insanely Great (tm)".

A G3 in that product would be pretty much a turd as well.

A cheap 2 bit whore could blow me away better than that!

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post #31 of 31
[quote]Originally posted by pscates:
<strong>I don't know. Here's my take:

I think there are several types of Mac people, and people like us who hang out at Mac-centric forums, discuss the technical end of things, speculate about future products, etc. always look ahead and hold the bar high. Probably TOO high, truth be known.

But, in general, part of me thinks that we're the minority. A small, albeit vocal and savvy, chunk of the Mac-using, Apple-buying universe.

Part of me thinks Apple isn't talking to US (or other more "geeky" leaning segments) and are simply talking to the population at large, who do own iMacs and iBooks and stuff, but AREN'T into every little detail about the processors, video cards, etc.

I mean, believe it or not, some people buy a Mac and just use it for surfing, writing and listening to music and they've never once visited a site like this, they don't really go to maccentral.com or macnn.com.
]</strong><hr></blockquote>

This is so true.. I develop Mac software for a living, and I'm always shocked when we get user studies, which show users are a lot less savy than we think.. so I've started thinking of features, etc in terms of how my mom might use it.

Even my wife, who loves her Mac, and uses it a lot to do DVD's of our wedding and other special things, couldn't really care about what's going to get announced on Monday, and just shakes her head when she sees what site I traverse..
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