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post #161 of 215
6/22/04 at 8:38pm
Quote:
Originally posted by SDW2001
I have to tell you that those are some of the absolute worst and most ridiculous links I've ever seen posted. You link to a the AFL-CIO concerning a labor issue? Are you kidding me? The black commentator? What is that last one? How in the hell can we have an honest debate when you link to utter shit like that?

Yeah of course my links are bad.

Not up to the standard of some of those rags you link to eh?

Well here's a couple more.

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/3073408/

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/2921345.stm

The black commentator is a congressman.

If you type in Bush Burger Manufacturing you get quite a few hits on yahoo.....
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post #162 of 215
6/22/04 at 8:40pm
Quote:
Originally posted by jimmac
Yeah of course my links are bad.

Seriously jimmac...you can't dodge this one. You've used links that are totally without merit. By doing so, you actually hinder your own argument.
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post #163 of 215
6/22/04 at 8:51pm
Quote:
Originally posted by SDW2001
Seriously jimmac...you can't dodge this one. You've used links that are totally without merit. By doing so, you actually hinder your own argument.

So which link are bitching about MSNBC?

However I think when you're talking about dodging you're really looking in the mirror.
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post #164 of 215
6/23/04 at 7:18am
Quote:
Originally posted by jimmac
So which link are bitching about MSNBC?

However I think when you're talking about dodging you're really looking in the mirror.

You edited your post after I posted my response...adding the MSNBC and BBC links. Your original post was:

Quote:
Yeah of course my links are bad.


You then criticized my response and mocked it because it critcized your links.
Honestly, I think that's about the most dishonest tactic I've seen used on this board in four years.
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post #165 of 215
6/23/04 at 7:25am
Ignoring your slimeball tactic for a moment, your MSBC link says this:

Quote:
Some 2.5 million salary earners and 5.5 million hourly employees would lose their overtime, according to the estimates by the group, which is affiliated with labor unions.

(emphasis added)

Maybe you could link to the AFL-CIO again.

And as for your BBC link, here's an example of the blatant bias and inaccuracy of the article:

Quote:
In fact, nearly all the mainline churches in America oppose this war, including Mr Bush's own church, the United Methodists.

Troll.
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post #166 of 215
6/23/04 at 11:02am
Quote:
Originally posted by SDW2001
You edited your post after I posted my response...adding the MSNBC and BBC links. Your original post was:




You then criticized my response and mocked it because it critcized your links.
Honestly, I think that's about the most dishonest tactic I've seen used on this board in four years.

Well maybe if you hadn't been sitting there with your hands poised above the keys ready to pounce this wouldn't have happened because your response happened in under a min.

You gootta be kidding on this one. I think your calling me a ( insert body part name ) was the worst most desperate thing I've seen on this board in 4 years. And you got away with it to. I know you apologized ( many weeks later ) but it still wasn't too nice.

Also if those links that I added didn't exist you'd have a point.
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post #167 of 215
6/23/04 at 11:04am
Quote:
Originally posted by SDW2001
Ignoring your slimeball tactic for a moment, your MSBC link says this:



(emphasis added)

Maybe you could link to the AFL-CIO again.

And as for your BBC link, here's an example of the blatant bias and inaccuracy of the article:



Troll.

This one's just stupid but I think he's aiming at getting the thread closed. You do get it don't you that there were lots of links to pick from?
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post #168 of 215
6/23/04 at 11:18am
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally posted by jimmac
This one's just stupid but I think he's aiming at getting the thread closed. You do get it don't you that there were lots of links to pick from?

If you could be honest with yourself and everyone here, you would admit your tactics are questionable. I have seen them many times, an I think I am not alone when I say that.

My .02
post #169 of 215
6/23/04 at 11:31am
Quote:
Originally posted by NaplesX
If you could be honest with yourself and everyone here, you would admit your tactics are questionable. I have seen them many times, an I think I am not alone when I say that.

My .02

I thought you left the boards?!?!

I remember almost getting banned when I celebrated . . . all the nights spend carousing in joy at the loss of wasted thread-space . . .

oh well . . .



BTW: we know your tactics: just keep saying whatever way beyond the time it was resoundingly shown to be either wrong or unrelated until people simply stop responding . . .

uhoh . . I feel a PM coming
"They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we."
--George W Bush

"Narrative is what starts to happen after eight minutes
--Franklin Miller.

"Nothing...

"They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we."
--George W Bush

"Narrative is what starts to happen after eight minutes
--Franklin Miller.

"Nothing...

post #170 of 215
6/23/04 at 11:36am
Quote:
Originally posted by NaplesX
If you could be honest with yourself and everyone here, you would admit your tactics are questionable. I have seen them many times, an I think I am not alone when I say that.

My .02

There was nothing questionalble about my tactics. What is questionable is running out of ideas so then you find a flimsy excuse to attack someone.

I thought you said you were gone from AO also?
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post #171 of 215
6/23/04 at 11:38am
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally posted by pfflam
I thought you left the boards?!?!

I remember almost getting banned when I celebrated . . . all the nights spend carousing in joy at the loss of wasted thread-space . . .

oh well . . .



BTW: we know your tactics: just keep saying whatever way beyond the time it was resoundingly shown to be either wrong or unrelated until people simply stop responding . . .

uhoh . . I feel a PM coming

Um, in case you HAVEN"T been paying attention. I essentially said was I would trying to be more positive and meaningful content to these boards. I don't think that I have even joined any other thread on AO.

Besides, I started this thread and feel that I can comment on it for that reason.

Sorry that I coused you a premature celebration.
post #172 of 215
6/23/04 at 11:42am
Quote:
Originally posted by NaplesX
Um, in case you HAVEN"T been paying attention. I essentially said was I would trying to be more positive and meaningful content to these boards. I don't think that I have even joined any other thread on AO.

Besides, I started this thread and feel that I can comment on it for that reason.

Sorry that I coused you a premature celebration.

You said you'd be posting but not in AO. " See you around elsewhere " or something like that.
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post #173 of 215
6/23/04 at 11:42am
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally posted by jimmac
There was nothing questionalble about my tactics. What is questionable is running out of ideas so then you find a flimsy excuse to attack someone.

I thought you said you were gone from AO also?

You thought wrong.

I said I was going to try to add more meaningful and positive content to the threads that I do participate in.

I started this thread so I have decided to reserve the right to comment if I choose.

Does this meet with your approval?
post #174 of 215
6/23/04 at 11:46am
Quote:
Originally posted by NaplesX
You thought wrong.

I said I was going to try to add more meaningful and positive content to the threads that I do participate in.

I started this thread so I have decided to reserve the right to comment if I choose.

Does this meet with your approval?

That's not even close to what you said. You did imply that we might see you in those other threads. That was the implication. Everybody thought that. You know what you said.

If you're going to do the " You won't have Dick Nixon to kick around anymore " bit you have to stick with it awhile. He did.
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post #175 of 215
6/23/04 at 1:33pm
Quote:
Originally posted by jimmac
Well maybe if you hadn't been sitting there with your hands poised above the keys ready to pounce this wouldn't have happened because your response happened in under a min.

You gootta be kidding on this one. I think your calling me a ( insert body part name ) was the worst most desperate thing I've seen on this board in 4 years. And you got away with it to. I know you apologized ( many weeks later ) but it still wasn't too nice.

Also if those links that I added didn't exist you'd have a point.

I happened to be on the board at the same time you were. You edited your post 15 minutes later. Give me a break.

As for whatever I called you, why is it necessary to bring that up? I'll tell you why: Because you cannot argue on the merits...and therefore the only tactic you have left is personal criticism. BTW, you're now acting in the same manner that caused me to use the word I did.

The bottom line is that no matter how much you come after Naples and me, you cannot change the fact that the US economy is now in strong growth and recovery. That's what this thread is about, jimmac.
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post #176 of 215
6/23/04 at 4:52pm
Quote:
Originally posted by SDW2001
I happened to be on the board at the same time you were. You edited your post 15 minutes later. Give me a break.

As for whatever I called you, why is it necessary to bring that up? I'll tell you why: Because you cannot argue on the merits...and therefore the only tactic you have left is personal criticism. BTW, you're now acting in the same manner that caused me to use the word I did.

The bottom line is that no matter how much you come after Naples and me, you cannot change the fact that the US economy is now in strong growth and recovery. That's what this thread is about, jimmac.


About the 15 min. now you're lieing.

Why do I bring that up? Because when you get that goodie two shoes tact to your arguments I have to remind you that you're not really that way at all.

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" tactic you have left is personal criticism. "
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What do you think calling me that name and now talking to me in a patronizing manner as if you were talking to a child ( and listen bucko I was an adult long before you were ) is?

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" Because you cannot argue on the merits "

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Because you didn't agknowlege my links?

So you didn't like commentary from a black congressman?

You didn't even comment on the MSNBC or the BBC link other than to add some personal bias. What if they're right about the mainline churches being against the war?

And SDW there are many more than that.

You consistantly blame other people for tactics you use yourself.

You've run out of arguments and now you've turned this into a personal attack. I guess you really want to get this thread closed or me banned ( you'd love that ) so you won't have to listen to the truth any more.

So I guess for now there's no talking to you. I suggest other's do the same.
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post #177 of 215
6/23/04 at 6:18pm
Thread Starter 
http://money.cnn.com/2004/06/22/pf/h...jobs/index.htm
post #178 of 215
6/23/04 at 6:58pm
Thread Starter 
http://money.cnn.com/2004/06/22/pf/h...jobs/index.htm

http://money.cnn.com/pf/features/lis..._unemployment/

http://money.cnn.com/2004/06/10/news...cing/index.htm

At least you have no excuse to kill the messenger...
post #179 of 215
6/23/04 at 7:10pm
Quote:
Originally posted by NaplesX
http://money.cnn.com/2004/06/22/pf/h...jobs/index.htm

http://money.cnn.com/pf/features/lis..._unemployment/

http://money.cnn.com/2004/06/10/news...cing/index.htm

At least you have no excuse to kill the messenger...

http://money.cnn.com/2004/06/23/mark...bush/index.htm

Don't kill the messenger......

What are you guys trying to prove?

The economy is bad for almost 4 years and now it's getting better again. Do you really think that's going to save Bush?

There are many other issues that aren't doing as well as the economy.
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post #180 of 215
6/24/04 at 9:13pm
Quote:
Originally posted by jimmac
About the 15 min. now you're lieing.

Why do I bring that up? Because when you get that goodie two shoes tact to your arguments I have to remind you that you're not really that way at all.

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" tactic you have left is personal criticism. "
------------------------------------------------------------

What do you think calling me that name and now talking to me in a patronizing manner as if you were talking to a child ( and listen bucko I was an adult long before you were ) is?

------------------------------------------------------------

" Because you cannot argue on the merits "

------------------------------------------------------------

Because you didn't agknowlege my links?

So you didn't like commentary from a black congressman?

You didn't even comment on the MSNBC or the BBC link other than to add some personal bias. What if they're right about the mainline churches being against the war?

And SDW there are many more than that.

You consistantly blame other people for tactics you use yourself.

You've run out of arguments and now you've turned this into a personal attack. I guess you really want to get this thread closed or me banned ( you'd love that ) so you won't have to listen to the truth any more.

So I guess for now there's no talking to you. I suggest other's do the same.

jimmac,

I am only trying to argue on the merits. I do my best to refrain from personal attacks. I challenge arguments vehemently, especially when they're based on pure rhetoric or questionable links and facts. I am not the one who constantly refers to things like my age to bolster my argument.

I did address your links. They don't support your argument for many reasons, one of which is blatant bias. Another is that the one study conducted and cited aws done by a group associated with a labor union. Prior to this you linked to the AFL-CIO. Surely you can understand why I attack these links.

The point of this thread is to discuss the economy. You have failed to cite sufficient evidence to support your claims of the "worst unemployment since WWII" and the "deepest recession since WWII". You haven't even come close.
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post #181 of 215
6/24/04 at 9:15pm
Quote:
Originally posted by jimmac
http://money.cnn.com/2004/06/23/mark...bush/index.htm

Don't kill the messenger......

What are you guys trying to prove?

The economy is bad for almost 4 years and now it's getting better again. Do you really think that's going to save Bush?

There are many other issues that aren't doing as well as the economy.

That's quite the iron clad prediction.
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post #182 of 215
6/25/04 at 8:29am
Quote:
Originally posted by SDW2001
That's quite the iron clad prediction.

Just as much as say...." Bush Wins All 50 States ".
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post #183 of 215
6/25/04 at 10:55am
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http://money.cnn.com/2004/06/25/news...omes/index.htm
post #184 of 215
6/25/04 at 11:15am
Quote:
Originally posted by jimmac
Just as much as say...." Bush Wins All 50 States ".

Here again, you have resorted to a cheap shot of sorts. It has absolutely nothing to do with this discussion whatsoever.

Secondly, that thread was created when Bush had huge numbers and there was complete chaos in the Democratic field. It goes without saying that the possibility of such an outcome is nearly zero today. Before you flip out, someone with the life experience you constantly tout should know that twice before Presidents have won 49 states. At the height (or near it) of Bush's popularity, it was not unthinkable to wonder whether or not he could capture all 50. The thread was even called "Discuss: Bush wins all 50 states in 2004".
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post #185 of 215
6/25/04 at 1:23pm
Quote:
Originally posted by SDW2001
Here again, you have resorted to a cheap shot of sorts. It has absolutely nothing to do with this discussion whatsoever.

Secondly, that thread was created when Bush had huge numbers and there was complete chaos in the Democratic field. It goes without saying that the possibility of such an outcome is nearly zero today. Before you flip out, someone with the life experience you constantly tout should know that twice before Presidents have won 49 states. At the height (or near it) of Bush's popularity, it was not unthinkable to wonder whether or not he could capture all 50. The thread was even called "Discuss: Bush wins all 50 states in 2004".

Ah! The lesson here grasshopper is not to judge things to early.
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post #186 of 215
6/25/04 at 3:44pm
Quote:
Originally posted by jimmac
Ah! The lesson here grasshopper is not to judge things to early.

Well, wise old Mr. jimmac, you've really taught me a lesson. If I were you, I wouldn't be too excited about the election just yet.
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post #187 of 215
6/25/04 at 7:29pm
Quote:
Originally posted by SDW2001
Well, wise old Mr. jimmac, you've really taught me a lesson. If I were you, I wouldn't be too excited about the election just yet.

No. But once we get this close with the issues at hand I'm usually right about these things.
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post #188 of 215
6/25/04 at 7:52pm
Quote:
Originally posted by jimmac
No. But once we get this close with the issues at hand I'm usually right about these things.

And why is that? At present, Bush would win according to most major polls. He's also picked up signficantly in the "battleground" states. I'm not saying it will stay this way, but what is the basis for that prediction?
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post #189 of 215
6/25/04 at 11:22pm
Quote:
Originally posted by SDW2001
And why is that? At present, Bush would win according to most major polls. He's also picked up signficantly in the "battleground" states. I'm not saying it will stay this way, but what is the basis for that prediction?

We've talked about this a dozen times. I guess you'll just have to see.
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post #190 of 215
6/25/04 at 11:42pm
SLOWER AND FATTER
"They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we."
--George W Bush

"Narrative is what starts to happen after eight minutes
--Franklin Miller.

"Nothing...

"They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we."
--George W Bush

"Narrative is what starts to happen after eight minutes
--Franklin Miller.

"Nothing...

post #191 of 215
6/27/04 at 3:11pm
Quote:
Originally posted by pfflam
SLOWER AND FATTER

3.9% is still excellent growth. Honestly, it's like you guys WANT the economy to do poorly.
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post #192 of 215
6/27/04 at 3:12pm
Quote:
Originally posted by jimmac
We've talked about this a dozen times. I guess you'll just have to see.

Nice dodge. I guess I'll just have to take Uncy jimmac's word.
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post #193 of 215
6/27/04 at 5:07pm
Quote:
Originally posted by SDW2001
Nice dodge. I guess I'll just have to take Uncy jimmac's word.


You'll see.
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post #194 of 215
6/28/04 at 6:04am
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally posted by SDW2001
3.9% is still excellent growth. Honestly, it's like you guys WANT the economy to do poorly.

See thats the rub isn't it - they hope the economy does badly only until a Dem gets into office and then they will use the same numbers to bolster his/her tenure. Look at Clinton, he got the full benefit and took credit for the results of the Reagan economic policies.

If Kerry does win, the same thing will happen.
post #195 of 215
6/28/04 at 6:48am
Quote:
Originally posted by NaplesX
See thats the rub isn't it - they hope the economy does badly only until a Dem gets into office and then they will use the same numbers to bolster his/her tenure. Look at Clinton, he got the full benefit and took credit for the results of the Reagan economic policies.

If Kerry does win, the same thing will happen.

Exactly. By almost any meaningful measurement, the US economy is doing well. GDP growth is good. Home ownership is at record levels. Unemployment is low. The markets are stable. The tech sector is recovering.
It is absurd to argue that the economy is not doing well by linking to one-day market snapshots and obscure data on the gap between the big, evil rich CEO's and the poor.
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post #196 of 215
6/28/04 at 8:22am
Man you guys really do have the same twisted reasoning!

Do you get the feeling that nobody's listening to your other reality take on things.
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post #197 of 215
6/28/04 at 8:44am
Quote:
Originally posted by SDW2001
Exactly. By almost any meaningful measurement, the US economy is doing well. GDP growth is good. Home ownership is at record levels. Unemployment is low. The markets are stable. The tech sector is recovering.
It is absurd to argue that the economy is not doing well by linking to one-day market snapshots and obscure data on the gap between the big, evil rich CEO's and the poor.


By the SDW.

Something to be looked at......

I've been making those links for the better part of 2 years now for you so it's a little more than one day or obscure.
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post #198 of 215
6/28/04 at 2:57pm
Quote:
Originally posted by jimmac
By the SDW.

Something to be looked at......

I've been making those links for the better part of 2 years now for you so it's a little more than one day or obscure.

OK...let's see then. 365 days a year multiplied by 2. That's 730 days. Let's say that in that time, you've linked to 15 negative snapshot stories...which might be generous in itself. That makes the economy bad?

jimmac, I'm not getting into a pissing contest with you. The economy is strong in nearly all areas...and there's very little you can do about it.
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post #199 of 215
6/28/04 at 4:36pm
Quote:
Originally posted by SDW2001
The economy is strong in nearly all areas...and there's very little you can do about it.

Accept one: debt. Our strength is false, and future tax increases/reduced spending (and a further slowing down of the economy) are the only things that will make this situation level off.

Why do you keep ignoring this point? Simply printing more money would create a temporary fix as well, but the repercussions would still be devastating.
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post #200 of 215
6/28/04 at 6:13pm
Quote:
Originally posted by SDW2001
OK...let's see then. 365 days a year multiplied by 2. That's 730 days. Let's say that in that time, you've linked to 15 negative snapshot stories...which might be generous in itself. That makes the economy bad?

jimmac, I'm not getting into a pissing contest with you. The economy is strong in nearly all areas...and there's very little you can do about it.

Why is it you insist on painting me as someone who wants the economy to be bad?

That's a falsehood.

I just don't look at the world through Bush colored glasses.

And by the way it's been alot more than 15 times and even a few would invalidate your argument.


So you spent the last 2 years insisting that the economy wasn't bad until it finally came true. What an accomplishment!
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