Originally posted by SDW2001
Wow. You are far more extreme than I first realized. Human nature is human nature. It cannot be changed. The desire for material success has built the free world as we know it. Capitalism and the free market economy DO work. Have you not seen the middle class in this country?
The incredible shrinking middle class:http://www.inq7.net/nwsbrk/2004/apr/12/nbk_8-1.htmhttp://www.onpointradio.org/shows/20...406_a_main.asp
Where do you think that came from? Capitalism should be regulated, as it is here, but does work.
Free enterprise works, yes, and a free market economy is what, in theory, should work best. I have never denied that. BUT
where is the free market? Anyone who believes we have a genuinely "free market" here in the USA is naive: privilege, preferred access, insider information, corruption and fraud, subsidies, massive-scale corporate welfare, closed shops etc. etc. renders the large scale market controlled and shackled. The most free "free markets" are small scale affairs, like bazaars, "farmers' markets etc.
An apt definition of the supposedly "free market", and the writer was by no means a socialist:
"[i]"A purely free market is like a free fox in a free henhouse." Louis Schweitzer (former Chairman of Renault, France's largest automobile manufacturer)
I'm not even sure where you're going with this, sammi jo. It almost sounds like you're saying that philosophies like communism haven't worked because they haven't been implemented the right way. I hope you're not saying that.
I already stated that communism does not work, (has never worked and will never work), in either large and/or compulsory systems. The only "communist" aspect about the USSR was the label....they were as steeped in just as much privilege, heirarchy, and inequality as any western democracy. Same with China. Cuba is probably about as "communist" as a state can get (thats why the US government hates them so much, far more than our largest trading partner, Red China perhaps). Even Cuba doesn't conform very well to Lenin's ideal.
The only working models of real communism are where a group of people decide to form an egalitarian community, on a small scale, voluntarily, that they want to live that particular lifestyle, and they are free to leave whenever they like if the lifestyle is not for them. There are many small voluntary (often spiritually-based groups with heterarchical structure all over the world that conform to the "communist" ideal far more than any large scale experiment in state-run communism. The kibbutz of Israel is an example, and they are of no threat to anyone. Do I want to live in a commune? No thanks, it's not for me. Do I want to live in a communist state? That's a meaningless question: it is not possible, since there is no such thing.
As for thinking that communism would work if implemented correctly, see above. Consensus is requisite, and any more than, perhaps, a few dozen people renders the consensus process chaotic, unwieldy and unworkable.