Originally posted by NaplesX
Saying that ties between AQ and SH are flimsier than ties between US and AQ or SH is just plain simple minded. Although it is true, I'll give you that, there are factors that you are just plain ignoring. You cannot simply compare them, as if all thing are equal.
The ties between the US and other entities are usually mundane and done in the open. Intel links are there for other obvious reasons.
However, the links between AQ, SH and other nefarious entities are secret, back room ties, made only to destroy. These people have a bloodlust that ties them together.
let's at least be honest when we start comparing everything to everything else.
Is it simple minded to demand that the use of a term not be blown out of proportion for propaganda.
Hypothetical: would you say that an interlocutor is simple minded if you need to repeatedly say things in simpler and simpler sentences in order for that person to grasp what you are saying?
Let me try again:
Ties exist between all sorts of entities
They exist in all sorts of fashions
If the smallest form of tie that exists is used in sentences that confuse the small-form-of-ties with Big-Bad-ties then we can no longer be sure that the small-form-of-ties are not, in fact, the Big-bad-ties.
If someone deliberately, and repeatedly used the small-form-of-ties in the way mentioned above then it could be said that the person in question is trying to get you to believe that the small-form-of-ties are really the Big-bad-ties.
If someone tries to get you to believe that then in effect they are trying to get you to believe in something that is NOT TRUE
If they are trying to get you to believe in something that is not true, then they are LYING!
so, it follows that though the 'ties' are technically true, the manner in which they have been used constitutes a lie.
Now, the nefariousness or non-nefariousness of our ties?
First, I mentioned our ties to Iraq because they existed and involved real weapons and money to buy real WMD . . . whereas the ties to AQ with Iraw involved ONLY failed meetings between minor government functionaries and/or northern isolated groups not-in any relationship to SH
Now, is an illegal and immoral arms-for-cash deal not nefarious?
Is an arms deal to a known murderous dictator who was waging an utterly horrendous and useless war against an army that needed to use waves upon waves of young boys against its US funded weapons somehow Not-nefarious?
Is our secretly/covertly but also not so secretly funding fundamentalists biggots and murderous 'freedom fighters' who would, becuse of the extremist-religious attitudes that we helped foster, eventually turn on their secular sponsors, somehow not nefarious?
and is the the which we knew well of that was merely a meeting twixt a government functionary and an AQ member that came to a failure to agree with goals really a tie worth going to war over?
or is a non-existent czech meeting twixt terrorists and Iraqi guards neffarious ? (the latter is only nefarious when in its nonexistence it is still used to justify a war)
oops . . . daughters getting sick . . .