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Hello.

What if Steve announce New workstation class PowerMac G5 at WWDC ?

He will not do this since this WWDC is for much bigger announcement.

I think we will see something for another POWERMAC G5 just before Siggraph,Aug 8

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Last year, while Apple had a "strong" presence at Siggraph 2003, they did not hold an official booth... This year Apple is reported to have one of the largest (booth) presences of any vendor in the show.

APPLE Siggraph rumor

Something like this;

SAME case as G5 for one model and larger case for future model

CPU : 4 x 2.5GHZ G5 with liquied cooling.

*Dual core can be applied in future with larger case

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posted 06-08-2004 06:41 AM

Yes, the MCM has 4 dual core CPUs and is quite expensive. But IBM also has a single core SCM that is much cheaper based on the same chip. Remember we are talking about "optioning up" if you need to (*note "not required"). We are also talking about the Power5 definitely going to .90 nanometer this year and reaching 3Ghz. Does that Ghz sound familiar? Also remember that when we go smaller we are talking less energy draw and cheaper to manufacture and sell. If the iMac is about to go G5 it doesn't give a huge lead by having the top of the line towers on the same chip. Hence we replace the chip design on the top end units. The bottom end chips are so fast now even the iBook is G4.

The low end Power5 is 10k as outfitted for server needs with the top of the line indeed reaching beyond 100k. Note that servers have expensive redundancy built into them. You quite often find the same chip in an Wintel server that you have in a cheap desktop with the difference in the cost being made up in high I/O capabilities and redundancy being on board. Skip that overhead and have redundancy through backup services (.Mac) and you can drop the costs significantly.

Apple could continue to offer the units they do today and offer these units as there side by side cousin "future replacements". This would offer a transition time for the consumer and allow Apple to lower costs of these high end machines over time as more of the new units sell.

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Memory: 8 slot module for max 64GB capabilty with 64 bit OS

Graphic: several option available with PCI Express

PCI Express & APPLE

PCI Express

1) Wildcat Realizm from 3Dlabs for CAD & 2D CG

http://www.3dlabs.com/whatsnew/pres...realizmtech.htm

Do you remember this story ?

http://www.appleinsider.com/news.php?id=210

2)FireGL from ATI

http://www.ati.com/products/workstation.html

3)Quadro¢ç FX 4000 class card with PCI Express from NVidia

http://www.nvidia.com/object/IO_11761.html

* One interesting note in here is "DVI-I+DVI-I+Stereo" This is for future plan


Architecture & BUS :ALL 3 independent 133MHz PCI-X with HyperTransport and Numa based internal architechture

As we know now by this;

http://www.apple.com/powermac/architecture.html

Optical Drive: Dual-layer DVD-R from LG(?)

http://www.lge.com/catalog/prodsubc...p;parentId=ROOT
Click "Optical storage"

And APPLE will support Blue-laser in future.

What do you think ?
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I will discuss about other things later in here.
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My response.



1. Quads sound nice. But does that mean we get a new Memory Controller that supports 4 FSBs total? How many DIMM slots would Apple utilize? They can't put in 16 can they?


2. Siggraph- Man Apple has alot of areas they're covering. Should be interesting. They'll probably hightlight OSX Tiger and 3rd party apps.

3. Stay the hell away from 3D Labs. Man that company is in trouble if their messagboard is any indication. I'm afraid they look to be heading down the same road 3dfx did to obscurity.

4. Blue Laser- Apple won't support Blu Ray but I'd count them in on HD-DVD since Apple will be promotion the AVC codec. Though I doubt Apple mentions it at all next year.

5. PCI Express- I think it's a given that the FireGL and Quadro cards will come to Apple. Now that they're ditching ADC I believe this to be coming sooner rather than later.

6. Dual Layer- Another overhyped product. With DL discs at $6 if you can find them I don't understand the hullabaloo over DL discs. I could see if someone said "I'm using DVD Studio Pro and I'm tired of splitting projects over two DVD-5s" but no..often it's some guy that wants to keep up with the jones'.
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Originally posted by hmurchison
1. Quads sound nice. But does that mean we get a new Memory Controller that supports 4 FSBs total? How many DIMM slots would Apple utilize? They can't put in 16 can they?

Why not 16 slots? Tyan has for their Quad Opteron board.

While Quads are a nice concept, I doubt we will see them in a Power Mac.
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Hi Kormac. I am still lurking.

What kind of bigger announcement are you thinking about for wwdc? I am trying to think of one other than the iMac/Tiger (unless it is a restructuring posited by someone in another thread).

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P.s. (Where's Matsu? )
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Before I go to the detail, I need to mention the back ground Information.

There will be announcement of QuickTime 7 at WWDC and this is One of the KEY component for the future APPLE Product.

NAB 2004 Hardware & Software Prediction from Kormac77

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posted 04-13-2004 05:36 PM


QuickTime 7

- New architecture improvement.

-Video
- Improved PIXLET codec for HD preview.
- Possible development for Digital - Movie distribution format.

- More Video Codec wiil be added.

- DVCPRO HD Codec support ( Only on Mac OSX ) :READ FINALCUTPRO 5

- MPEG-2 PS, TS Playback Support ( Optional due to license issue for current situation)
- APPLE might make this option as STANDART if future product will use this.
- MPEG-2 TS file for HD Digital TV can be playback with certain condition.

- Improve MPEG-4 support by MPEG-4 AV codec ( H.264 ) in near future
- MPEG-4 + H.264 will able to play SD, HD mode as WMP9

-Audio
- Multiple Audio track support
- Support Surround Audio
- Embedded Audio support such as Dolby AC-3, DTS
- More Audio Codec Support

- Hardware based accelation from Graphic B/D from 3rd party ,such as ATI.
http://www.ati.com/products/PCIexpress/index.html

- Future plan to support MXF format with import/export fuction.

- More Optimized Streaming.

The key point in this is MPEG-2 TS and MPEG-4 AV ( H.264 )

Also MXF has big part for the production level
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Quote:
Originally posted by kormac77
Before I go to the detail, I need to mention the back ground Information.

There will be announcement of QuickTime 7 at WWDC and this is One of the KEY component for the future APPLE Product.

What do you mean? QuickTime with home streaming through AirPort Express or new video codec?
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For the QuickTime 7 Part, I will give you a clear idea that you can see by yourself.

The latest APPLE Works was modified to support Quicktime7 already.

When it was delivered, the develope team did not know that Quicktime 7 was delayed and the code for importing QuickTime 7 file was already implemented.

IF you have AppleWorks ver6.2.7 or later version.
Check import part of Appleworks.

You should see something new which is not availble now.

Following is part of new file format with QuickTime 7 in Applework import part.

- 3GP2[QT]

- 3GPP[QT]

- AIFC[QT]

-AMC Import[QT]

- AMR[QT]

- APPLE MPEG Component[QT]

- APPLE MPEG-2 Import[QT]

- AutoDesk Animation[QT]

-DV[QT]

- Flash Fix Image[QT]

- GSM Audio Import[QT]

- JFIF[QT]

- Livetype Import[QT]

- MPEG Layer-3 Audio[QT]

- MPEG-4 Import[QT]

-MXF[QT]

-Picture[QT]

-QT PreFlight[QT]

- Realtime Streaming Protocol[QT]

- Session Description Protocol[QT]

- SKIN[QT]

- Shoutcast[QT]

- SMIL[QT]

- VDU Attribute [QT]


Hmmm.... What does this all mean?

Can you guess ? I will talk about it later.

This is for now. See you later.
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I like the clean look of using a memory riser. Check this Quad Xeon board out. Perhaps that could be accomplished as well.


I agree on QT7 coming. If you look at the Pro Apps based on QT it's evident that they won't be able to move on to some requested features like multichannel in and better MPEG support without these being added to QT. In fact it's a bit ironice that Apple suddenly has brought Quicktime 6 back to the publics attention. QT7 and Tiger are probably symbiotic in ways that QT and the current OS can only dream of.
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Originally posted by kormac77
For the QuickTime 7 Part, I will give you a clear idea that you can see by yourself.

The latest APPLE Works was modified to support Quicktime7 already.

When it was delivered, the develope team did not know that Quicktime 7 was delayed and the code for importing QuickTime 7 file was already implemented.

IF you have AppleWorks ver6.2.7 or later version.
Check import part of Appleworks.

You should see something new which is not availble now.

Following is part of new file format with QuickTime 7 in Applework import part.

- 3GP2[QT]

- 3GPP[QT]

- AIFC[QT]

-AMC Import[QT]

- AMR[QT]

- APPLE MPEG Component[QT]

- APPLE MPEG-2 Import[QT]

- AutoDesk Animation[QT]

-DV[QT]

- Flash Fix Image[QT]

- GSM Audio Import[QT]

- JFIF[QT]

- Livetype Import[QT]

- MPEG Layer-3 Audio[QT]

- MPEG-4 Import[QT]

-MXF[QT]

-Picture[QT]

-QT PreFlight[QT]

- Realtime Streaming Protocol[QT]

- Session Description Protocol[QT]

- SKIN[QT]

- Shoutcast[QT]

- SMIL[QT]

- VDU Attribute [QT]


Hmmm.... What does this all mean?

Can you guess ? I will talk about it later.

This is for now. See you later.

Other unexpected format are managed by QT7 like HTML and SGI. By the way QT file format was selected by 3GPP to carry media content.
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shoutcast...great!
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Something that might support this...

I read the G5 tower being referred to as 'mid tower'. Sorry, it was online and I can't remember where. It may have been apple store or crucial.
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Originally posted by hmurchison
IonYz

I like the clean look of using a memory riser. Check this Quad Xeon board out. Perhaps that could be accomplished as well.

Yeah the memory riser style helps segment things, not in favor of Apple's G5 case, but it helps.
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kormac, you seen this yet?
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kormac, you seen this yet?

Quicktime and AVC is no suprise. Apple was showing various trailers like Harry Potter and Troy I think in AVC at NAB 2004. I spoke to one guy that said it was phenomenal. The funny thing is people are tooting Microsofts horn over at AVS because those guys are so hard up for HD content but there seems to be some discontent with "banding" in WM9 video. I think AVC is going to be better and it's a natural extension to MPEG which means Hollywood can eschew dealing with Microsoft and it's proprietary codec.
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The 3GPP commitment for MPEG4 is the card Apple has to play.
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Does it sound like AppleWorks will become more of a mulitmedia authoring app?
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Absolutely.

Just as soon as Office has HDTV editing capability.





Sadly, that's all too possible...
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Maybe I shouldn't assume Kormac77 knows what he's talking about, but why else would AppleWorks support importing all of the formats he mentions? MPEG-2? Streaming?
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Nope. It's just registering itself as able to display those media types. Which, given that you can embed movies, images, and sound in AW documents, shouldn't be surprising.

"Import" in QT can be thought of synonymous with "Can play".

This is more interesting as just a list of media types and codecs to be found in QT7, not as anything important about AW.
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I was just getting all excited about thoughts of an Apple alternative to Director. I would be strange if AW turned into this.
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Nah

Appleworks will remain the same WP suite. Kickaha speaks of the advantage that any app with robust QT support can have. That's why I think it's so important to really nail QT7 programmatically and from and end user aspect.

QT is the core that should make you as a programmer look amazing to the end user as they uncover what the framework can do.

Man everywhere I look now there are stories about streaming, Quicktime, AVC etc. There definitely seems to be a swell coming for QT. If I doubted the arrival of QT7 a week ago I do not do so today.
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QuickTime and AppleWorks evolving together!?!? I doubt it, BUT if it were os independent, it would make for a great "thin" version of everything I would need in a pda .... yeah, I know....
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Aren't you the same Kormac that kept saying Apple was about to introduce a new PDA two years ago? Why should we believe anything you say?
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Because he *STILL* has a better track record than 90% of the people posting here.

Oh, and a rumor is flying that 10.4 will have .NET 'compatability'... twas just a blurb apparently made in error, with no corroborating evidence or details. Let the rumormongering commence!
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Aren't you the same Kormac that kept saying Apple was about to introduce a new PDA two years ago? Why should we believe anything you say?

Well, for one, SJ recently admitted that Apple has designed a PDA that he was very proud of, but that he ultimately decided shouldn't be released...
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Um, actually, he didn't. If you go back and look at what he *actually* said, he only said he was proud of the products Apple decided not to release, including a PDA.

He may as well have said 'cheese grater' (although the G5 does in a pinch).

Unfortunate speculation and wishful misreading has gone rampant however, that this is proof of an Apple PDA locked in a vault somewhere.

Wouldn't surprise me if it were true, but this is not proof by any stretch of the imagination.
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Um, actually, he didn't. If you go back and look at what he *actually* said, he only said he was proud of the products Apple decided not to release, including a PDA.

Unfortunate speculation and wishful misreading has gone rampant however, that this is proof of an Apple PDA locked in a vault somewhere.

Wouldn't surprise me if it were true, but this is not proof by any stretch of the imagination.

I'm not sure I follow...

Apple deciding not to release products, including a PDA, implies that they had designed a PDA that they did not release. Steve can't be proud of a PDA they didn't design, can he?

Semantics, yes... But I'm not sure I see the difference you do....
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I too originally though that the news was:

Apple developed a PDA. They did not release it. Jobs is proud that they did not release it meaning he/Apple decided the market is not right (either "yet" or "anymore").

However that was based on my initial reading of the (ultimately) misleading Kasper article:

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Jobs: Apple developed, but did not ship Apple PDA

"...Jobs confirmed that Apple had designed its own PDA device, but canned the project just prior to bringing it to market."
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Alas, Kickaha's reading is correct, I feel.

"Not shipped" does not mean "designed but not shipped".

I'm proud that I haven't robbed a bank. That doesn't mean that I have actively plotted a bank robbery but later decided against it.

I will say that putting aside the article and Jobs' quote, that it doesn't mean Apple hasn't designed a PDA or PDAs (I would assume they have...it's just good R&D to at least prototype and reevaluate potential).

But I simply don't read too much into what Jobs said that time. I mean the sentence itself is not the "proof" it was presented as - and, I daresay, irresponsibly extrapolated upon (if only due to enthusiasm!).
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What he said. Ook.

Basically, a cleaner reading of it is that Jobs is proud of the *not releasing* a PDA.... not that he's proud of the *PDA* they didn't release. See the difference? I'm afraid Kasper's interpretation was... um... probably wrong.

Of course, if they do end up putting something out, I'll be thrilled.
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I think you guys are reading to much into this. His remarks do not imply Apple actually designed a PDA...just that they never decided to release one.
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Aaaaahhh, I see. "Proud" modifying "not released" as opposed to "PDA". Gotcha.

Although being proud of a device ultimately not released still makes more sense to me than being proud of the act of not releasing a device that may or may not have been designed.

Oughat get the book I had during the Linguistics class I took way back in freshman year of college from the basement and look over the semantics chapter again... I think it's pretty cool how different brains take the same sentence and see different meanings.

Anyways, back on topic... With Sony dropping the Clie, and Palm being in trouble, Jobs seems to have made the right decision, after all...
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I think it's pretty cool how different brains take the same sentence and see different meanings.

Especially with Kasper "leading" us (in the sense of "leading the witness")...
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Hello.

The AppleWorks is the first product to use QuickTime 7 File.

It is not intened to be a multimedia authoring application.
It just use QuickTime file in documentation , specially presentation.

The Keynote will follow the same path as soon as APPLE officially announce Quicktime7

To othello and hmurchison;

For the APPLE Part of MPEG-4 AV ( H.264 ), I told this for quiet sometime ago.

I will talked about this in more detail.
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First, lets's check with past statment which I made.

Topic: Great things to come from....APPLE, begin with this week,NAB.

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From: posted 03-24-2003 04:32 PM

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http://forums.appleinsider.com/show...;threadid=22054

It has been a while. This board became quiet slow.

I would like to light a bit.

Here we go.

The promise of Great Apple's born again will be begin with this time.

Here is list of what you have to think about it.

1) Apple has been talking about great things about MPEG-4. It has been a while since QuickTime is announced and

Nothing great has been happened ...yet.

2) Apple has been talking about Internet broadcasting with MPEG-4 and Steve jobs had president of SONY-Erickson, Hand-phone maker, to Macworld guest. The SONY- Erickson will begin G3 Telecom service this year.
What Apple has been saying about this?

Nothing...yet.

3) The Digital Hub is great for Audio with Music, still image with Picture, and Video creation with DV&DVD.

But what about Video itself?

Do you use Tivo at home? Do you like PVR?
Do you have Set Top Box for Cable TV?

Do you wish to have inexpensive Set top box with PVR function for DTV, which is including HDTV?

What Apple has been talked about this part of Digital Hub?

Nothing¡¦. yet.

4) Apple has been talked about high-end post process system to several Hollywood production makers. The professional people have been using high-speed system from SGI and other high speed PC based workstation vendors. And the response from the professional people was very very positive.

Do you think this people were impressed with Dual 1.5Ghz PowerPC systems? NO¡¦

What did Apple showed to them and what has Apple told to us about this?


Nothing¡¦. Yet

5) Apple announced Clustering node system as new Xserver configuration. Do you see any use of this clustering node except very special DNA project or big scientific project, which need high number of calculation?

When was Apple made special system like Xserver Clustering node for such a small niche Market?


Never before¡¦until Now.

6) We are beginning to see the end of road for clock speed race for CPU. Apple was still behind of PC¡¯s clock speed race, so far.

Even with New 970 CPU, Apple will reach to limit of Clock speed barrier.

Yes, it is possible to make faster clock speed CPU system. However it will need very large Heat pump for cooling and great power consumption, like hot pod, even with PowerPC architecture.

What will be the answer for this and What APPLE was talked about this matter?

Nothing¡¦Yet.

7) When Apple bought Next as core for it¡¯s future operating system, Next OS had great functionality of best of Unix.

Such as Multitasking, Multi-user, and Clustering.

Do we see many of features in current Apple OSX?

Not much ¡¦. Yet.

Now what do you think?

It is like a Puzzle. We need some clue to put things together and this week and NAB will be beginning of the change.

So, What am I talking about?

I will tell you words for clue and you put it together.

and

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From: posted 03-24-2003 04:44 PM

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Here are words.

1) Clustering ¡© Grid computing.

2) MPEG-4 with H.264

3) MPEG-2 with Transportation Stream

4) Broadcasting over Wi-Fi

5) Multi-User: Net boot

6) DV, DVCPRO, DVCPRO50 and DVCPRO HD

7) HDTV as Monitor and TV: 30inch LCD.

OPEN GL with Quartz Extreme

9) PCI-X

10) Bluetooth: Hand Phone

11) 64 Bit Computing: 970

12) Tablet form fact :I****v2

13) DNA¡¦ I wish

And there will be more but it will be slow to come.

Have a nice day¡¦

As you see this I was talking about H.264 last year.
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As you can see above, Following item has been shown.


6) DV, DVCPRO, DVCPRO50 and DVCPRO HD

--> NAB 2004

8) OPEN GL with Quartz Extreme

--> It is Now working and will be better in the future with PCI express.

9) PCI-X

--> We have it now and it will be more faster in near future with HyperTransport protocol.

10) Bluetooth: Hand Phone

--> We have it now and we will see more device with this.

11) 64 Bit Computing: 970

--> Well, I think we have this now.

And Following items has not been shown currently.

But I think this way.

1) Clustering ¡© Grid computing.

--> It will be big announcement at WWDC 2004 for this.

--> Apple to bring cluster rendering to full line of video apps

--> Xgrid: Apple to take on parallel and distributed computing


-->
Quote:
October 12, 2003 - Apple is developing a distributed/parallel computing solution called Xgrid, according to the company's Web site

2) MPEG-4 with H.264

--> We talked about this above.

3) MPEG-2 with Transportation Stream

--> This will be one of key area for the future.

4) Broadcasting over Wi-Fi

--> The Airport express is first of products which will
--> be the future for APPLE.

5) Multi-User: Net boot

--> We will see something about this in WWDC

7) HDTV as Monitor and TV: 30inch LCD.

--> Special Report: New Apple re-designed displays include 30-inch; Goodbye ADC


12) Tablet form fact :I****v2

--> Yes. it is still alive and we will see the product
--> this, if not at WWDC.

13) DNA¡¦ I wish

--> Well. There is still something to talk about this.
--> I wiil talk more this later


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kormac77...
good to see you around my friend!
so which of these new tech are you most excited with?
also, do you ever hear any rumors on the audio side of things,
it seems like you're into broadcast if i am correct?
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Then the question is, What the hell is all of this to Apple's future?

Let me ask several questions for logic.

1) Do you know what OS is been used by iPOD ?

If you don't, Do you care at all that is not M$ product and it's OS is not compatible with other M$ Window directly as .NET?

2) Do you know what OS is been used by your TV or Stereo ?

If you don't, Do you care at all that is not M$ product and it's OS is not compatible with other M$ Window directly as .NET?

3) Do you know what OS is been used by your Tivo and DVD Player?

If you don't, Do you care at all that is not M$ product and it's OS is not compatible with other M$ Window directly as .NET?

This WWDC is the announcement of Big change of APPLE Product line and Steve will show first class of such a product.

And apple will introduce their plan for the future that all developer can follow the apple's way.

It will be 10.4 Tiger and much larger market.

Let's think about it. And Let's talk about it, if you wish.

This is for Now. I will see you later.

P.S.: Hint!

Don't you think 60GB in next ipod is too big for Only Music ?
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So you are thinking they will all switch to Tiger? I don't think so.

I just felt a little funny that why the next big thing from Apple and Sun are both codename Tiger.
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