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Future Highend Ipod will run OS X
Apple will suddenly have a market share increase from ipod sales....

Perhaps it will be like IBMs prototypes of modular computing.... yes this is the future... but it seems years away unless a transmeta-like chip is used
post #42 of 437
Things I would like to see from Apple:

IPHONE: Mobile phone that seamless switches from local wifi network to cell based networks so calls will be super cheap from home

APPLE must have an answer to the 500+ Million Cellphones sold.... even a cheap ipod is still a drop in the bucket compared to that as far as sales....

VJ App: Based on motions realtime engine.

Simplified Logic: To compete with Protools Elegance with the power of Lives realtime abilities

Mac grid: Perhaps you get free songs for joining the grid+all future devices... cams or set top boxes add to the grid power.... similar to sony's cell

HDCAM- for $5000 or less

iPod: With professional quality audio recording... atleast 44.1/16 if not higher... plus this would be great for students recording lectures

OLED: Bring it


Tablet convertible notebook: when the cost gets to be only $100 difference.... also so I can spin the screen around to watch movies without seeing the keyboard

Word Killer: Either make it super native so it takes advantage of OS X or.... Make it for windows and Linux! Either charge less then Office or..... Open source it and give it away free.... microsoft would loose it's biggest revenue source...

Program to build web pages.... or Buy macromedia and get control of flash as well....

ok that's all for now

also interesting thought soon apple maybe be #1 in networking with there new basestation
#1 in music portables with ipod

#1 in screen sales with future LCD???

#1 in broadcast codec with quicktime?

lots of potentionial momentum
post #43 of 437
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Originally posted by kormac77
Then the question is, What the hell is all of this to Apple's future?
1) Do you know what OS is been used by iPOD ?
2) Do you know what OS is been used by your TV or Stereo ?
3) Do you know what OS is been used by your Tivo and DVD Player?

If you don't, Do you care at all that is not M$ product and it's OS is not compatible with other M$ Window directly as .NET?

This WWDC is the announcement of Big change of APPLE Product line and Steve will show first class of such a product.

And apple will introduce their plan for the future that all developer can follow the apple's way.

It will be 10.4 Tiger and much larger market.

Let's think about it. And Let's talk about it, if you wish.

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post #44 of 437
iPod = Pixo OS for the ARM line of CPUs
TiVo = PPC Linux (variant) for whatever PPC TiVo is currently using
Stereo = None just DACs and other ICs no CPU
DVD Player = ????

What's that all mean? I have no idea...

Edit,,

Interesting aside that I ether forgot about (the mind is the 1st thing to go) or don't ever remember reading. Sun acquired Pixo (and Pixo OS) last summer!

Linky: http://www.sys-con.com/java/articlea.cfm?id=2127

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post #45 of 437
I thought we crucified him at NAB. He has risen! He has risen!

Im also guessing Quicktime is finally going to become an OS. Im thinking this is the OS Apple will license... for everything:

--> cell phone/PDA
--> stereo
--> TV
--> HDTV
--> PVR
--> Camera
--> DVD Players
--> Digital Cable
--> Everything

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post #46 of 437
QuickTime as an OS? This thread is getting more and more funny. How many existing companies will ditch their Linux and other OSes to use QuickTime? Most don't even support QuickTime as media format, not to mentioned lower level.
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Originally posted by DaveGee
Interesting aside that I ether forgot about (the mind is the 1st thing to go) or don't ever remember reading. Sun acquired Pixo (and Pixo OS) last summer!

Linky: http://www.sys-con.com/java/articlea.cfm?id=2127

Interesting! Sun's Pixo OS runs Apple's iPod!

[QUOTE]Sun Software executive vice president Jonathan Schwartz
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Pixo is now an integral part of the Sun Software organization under executive vice president Jonathan Schwartz. Pixo's products and technologies will be integrated into Sun's Java technology strategy, and will be offered in conjunction with other mobility programs from Sun.

Interesting! Pixo and Java are on a convergence course!

Hmm, Sun's JavaOne and Apple's WWDC would be prime candidates for any revelations on this convergence course.
I wonder what (if any) Pixo or Java anncouncements Sun will make about this at JavaOne 2004?
I wonder what (if any) DRM or Java anncouncements Apple will make about this at WWDC 2004?
Hmm, JavaOne and WWDC both opening Monday, June 28, 2004 at Moscone Center, SF, CA, i.e., in just over two weeks.

Are Java, Pixo, and iPod the dots that connect some special announcements at these suspiciously co-scheduled conferences?

Thoughts?
post #48 of 437
I found it rather strange. I have been to JavaOne a few times, and they occupied the whole Moscone Center! How is it possible to squeeze in a WWDC?

And, the next generation of Java 1.5 is codename Tiger, the same as OS X 10.4.

Oh I see. OS X 10.4 is Java 1.5. That explains everything.

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Originally posted by occam
Hmm, JavaOne and WWDC both opening Monday, June 28, 2004 at Moscone Center, SF, CA, i.e., in just over two weeks.

Are Java, Pixo, and iPod the dots that connect some special announcements at these suspiciously co-scheduled conferences?

Thoughts? [/B]
post #49 of 437
NOt sure of Quicktime as an OS, but, it can serve, I think, as a front-end for an os, right? It has basic browsing capabilities from withinthe window... (If I recall, wasn't there a demo movie of a pond, and if you clicked on it wherever you clicked there was a ripple).

Basically, if somehow qt was integrated with the file-structure on a disk, it could serve as a gui for an os, is my (sleepy) thought.

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post #50 of 437
What if Pixo can do to QT - mp4's - what it did to mp3's? QT would probably have to have some sort of DRM situation for downloads, but it already does a good job of secure streams. How much of an OS does it take to have QT running? Something simple and unix-like, I bet!!

Steve has already approved devices without the Mac OS, so that isn't a problem...just make sure they aren't confused with the computer and he's fine with periferals. I'll bet there is an Apple "lossless video" codec in development right now and in the next year if it goes for a patent... 8)
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I'll bet there is an Apple "lossless video" codec in development right now and in the next year if it goes for a patent... 8) [/B]

It won't need to be lossless (way too big) but can be very good. And you already have it, it is called Pixlet.
post #52 of 437
Every single OS out there has a front end (if it does not have, then it does not need one). Apple is not going to have an easy time asking them to implement QuickTime on top of the OS, and replace the front end.

And there isn't a QuickTime for Linux, which most embedded device use.

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NOt sure of Quicktime as an OS, but, it can serve, I think, as a front-end for an os, right? It has basic browsing capabilities from withinthe window... (If I recall, wasn't there a demo movie of a pond, and if you clicked on it wherever you clicked there was a ripple).
post #53 of 437
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QuickTime as an OS? This thread is getting more and more funny. How many existing companies will ditch their Linux and other OSes to use QuickTime? Most don't even support QuickTime as media format, not to mentioned lower level.

Me thinks a heretic and blasphemer has infiltrated the Church of the Kormac. I cannot say with certainty that the Quicktime OS shall come to pass. I was just attempting to interpret the gospel as written by Kormac. Or, more correctly, I ran it through the Babelfish mock-Korean translator and this was what I got.
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Originally posted by murk
Me thinks a heretic and blasphemer has infiltrated the Church of the Kormac. I cannot say with certainty that the Quicktime OS shall come to pass. I was just attempting to interpret the gospel as written by Kormac. Or, more correctly, I ran it through the Babelfish mock-Korean translator and this was what I got.

I see, that explains.

But I like his last idea which seems to suggest iPod 60GB might use Tiger as the OS (but why? Unless you put in at least 800x600 screen in iPod).
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I'd personally like to see an Xserve with only one hard drive to make room for four processors. With the Xserve RAID, it's more and more unlikely that you'll use Xserves for storage, so why not devote the Xserves for processing, and the RAIDs for storage?
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Originally posted by murk
Me thinks a heretic and blasphemer has infiltrated the Church of the Kormac. I cannot say with certainty that the Quicktime OS shall come to pass. I was just attempting to interpret the gospel as written by Kormac. Or, more correctly, I ran it through the Babelfish mock-Korean translator and this was what I got.

Actually I reread his post, he makes it quite clear: It will be 10.4 Tiger and much larger market.

This one does make sense a little more, although he is suggesting that Tiger will go towards embedded market. Something that Linux or Simbian OS has a much bigger stronghold, which I heavily doubt Apple would succeed.
post #57 of 437
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Originally posted by limtc
It won't need to be lossless (way too big) but can be very good. And you already have it, it is called Pixlet.

Well maybe that is good enough, but I'm thinking of lossless 800xwhatever from computer to TV ('a la Airport Express), not near-HD.

There is no way Tiger will be an OS for a periferal, it is dependent upon QExtreme and graphics cards doing the work.

also why hasn't QT gone to Linux?!?!?
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post #58 of 437
Quartz Extreme is an optional item - if the hardware doesn't support it, it falls back to a lesser user experience. (Ie, it simply doesn't do the massive eye candy, and does something simpler.)

The QuickTime file format is openly documented, and many Linux players are available. What most people are actually griping about when they say that Linux doesn't have QuickTime support is the lack of proprietary codecs, such as Sorenson.

Problem is, they aren't Apple's to release. Apple licenses them from Sorenson, and that company has been extremely reluctant to port them to Linux, probably for fear of open source licensing issues. Dunno what the real reason is, just that my little birdies have indicated to me that Sorenson is the block, not Apple.

I would like to see Apple release a QuickTime-Lite for Linux that supports the format and such, but with more open codecs and plugins. Perhaps the move towards MPEG-4 official codecs will help this.
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kormac, where did u go? things were starting to get interesting again....
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Hello. I am back.

I was quiet busy for a while.

Let's start with the importance of This WWDC.

First, this year is 20th anniversary of first Mac.
For Apple, this will be big meaning and Apple is planning for the change. 8)

Second, the concept of PC has been changed and Apple was actually leading the new way of Computing.

Last, Apple is planing to go much wider market than limited PC market.

In this WWDC, APPLE will announce the change of APPLE Computer to the whole world and provide information of this new technology to the developer.

The change will be not happen at once. It will take at least 2 years and this year is THE FIRST YEAR for the change.
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The steve's Keynote will be summary of the change.

I think the Keynote will have following step.

1) Introduction of upcoming 10.4 and New component in this OS.
This change will effect in Professinal Mac and Content business.
And it is including New QuickTime7.

2) Intoroduction of NEW iMac G5 as a new step for the future of Consumer Mac line.

3) Finally, the New market which APPLE will be creating begining of this year and He will announce new class of Products.

Let's check with items above with more detail.

And ,again, this is not inside information and I never signed NDA from APPLE.
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Originally posted by kormac77
First, this year is 20th anniversary of first Mac.
For Apple, this will be big meaning and Apple is planning for the change.
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In this WWDC, APPLE will announce the change of APPLE Computer to the whole world and provide information of this new technology to the developer.

The change will be not happen at once. It will take at least 2 years and this year is THE FIRST YEAR for the change.

Easy to say it but unfortunately there is no evidence to back it up.
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Originally posted by kormac77
And ,again, this is not inside information and I never signed NDA from APPLE.

Then what is it ?
post #64 of 437
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NEW OS X 10.4

New point will be following items.

- QuickTime7

This will be the key announcement for the future products.
Also , the new architecture will be very portable.

The meaning of portable is that it can be usable in other platform such as iPOD and other , which I will talk later.

Current iPOD is not actually working with Quicktime. It was using MP3 and AAC format music file playback fuction of chip set in the iPOD. And it is very limited to othe format

The future iPOD class will be QuickTime7 compatible.

During WWDC, there is sevral important session for Quicktime.

June 30.

QuickTime and Digital Media State of the Union

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Over a decade ago, the digital media revolution began with the advent of QuickTime. Today, QuickTime powers the industry's best media tools including Apple's own suite of innovative applications, and the world's best content is being created and delivered with QuickTime. From workflow to delivery, QuickTime has you covered. This session will discuss the latest industry trends and technology advances, and will kick off the QuickTime and Digital Media track.

- This will be general introduction for QuickTime7

An Introduction to Digital Media

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The key to making great digital video is understanding how it works. Come and learn the building blocks of digital media with topics such as SD vs. HD, 3:2 pull-down, deinterlacing, and much more. If you are a beginner or someone who could use a refresher course, this is a must-attend session.

An Overview of QuickTime Codecs

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QuickTime supports dozens of codecs. This session will present a comprehensive overview of audio and video codecs, followed by an in-depth discussion of the codecs that come with QuickTime. Learn about the unique strengths of each codec, so you can determine which to use for your own particular needs.

- This session will explane importance of New MPEG-4 AV & MPEG-2 TS format. Also APPLE will explane the importance of 720/24P mode.

QuickTime for the Web

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This information-packed session will cover basic and advanced techniques for using QuickTime on your web pages. Topics will include the easiest and most effective ways to embed QuickTime in a page, techniques that work cross-platform and cross-browser, how to use the EMBED and OBJECT tags, scripting the QuickTime plug-in and ActiveX controls with JavaScript, launching QuickTime from a text link, and much more.

- In this seesion, ActiveX controls with JavaScript, launching QuickTime from a text link is the new way to open quicktime file in other than PC device.

July 1st

Enhanced Learning with QuickTime


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QuickTime can help you create and deliver engaging instructional content. Learn how Brigham Young University uses QuickTime for authoring online lectures, captioning and indexing online video, and delivering rich educational media to a wide audience. Discover what QuickTime can do for you in your enterprise or educational institution.

- In this session, It will provide the new way to use QuickTime in PC, Mac and NEW PORTABLE Device.
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- In this session, It will provide the new way to use QuickTime in PC, Mac and NEW PORTABLE Device.

None of the quotes above seems to indicate anything interesting.

The last statement probably PC, Mac and iPod? Then it make sense. Apple might actually open up iPod for development purpose (its $400 computer).
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July 1st

Advanced Final Cut Pro HD 4

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With over 300 new features included in Final Cut Pro HD 4, this session will focus on topics such as advanced effects and editing techniques, color keying, color correction, media management, and audio finishing. Also learn the tips, tricks, and timesaving secrets from the pros for complete proficiency.

- During this cource, APPLE will explane the reason for 720/24P Editing and also how FinalCutPro became THE MOST important application for NEW device.

Mobile Content Production

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Professional mobile content services are a viable business in the U.S. and abroad. Attend this session to learn tips and techniques for editing and encoding multimedia for mobile downloading or streaming, using a variety of tools available in today's market.

- When you think Mobile, Do you think Mobile Phone ?
No. New APPLE device will be using this too.

Mobile Content Delivery

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From video mail to advanced professional multimedia services, come hear from industry leaders in telecommunications about how mobile data services are integrated, delivered, billed, and managed from the inside out.

- The important word are "integrated, delivered, billed, and managed"
What this can be ?

July 2nd

QuickTime Interactivity

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QuickTime is not just linear audio and video; it provides a robust architecture for interactive experiences. This session will discuss all interactive media types in QuickTime and how to create them. We will also present ideas on how to use them effectively in a relevant way.

- Also with new device.

Media Event Production: WWDC 2004 Case Study


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Learn techniques for planning and executing large-event media encoding from this inside look into the production of Apple's Worldwide Developer Conference. From the daily use of media at the event to online distribution of WWDC sessions, this presentation will feature the latest in tools and equipment for large-scale media production.

- This will explane new service that APPLE will provide in near future and How people can make use of the service.

Mobile Experts: An Industry Overview

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What is the status of high-speed mobile networks, services, and handsets today throughout the world, and how does multimedia play a key role? How will these platforms evolve over the coming months and years? This session provides you with an overview of the latest in mobile technologies and user trends from expert analysts in telecommunications and media.

- Key word :

high-speed mobile networks: 3G Mobile Phone, New device with Wi-Fi LAN

services : 3G Mobile Phone Service , New service from APPLE with wide area Wi-Fi LAN.

How will these platforms evolve over the coming months and years?: New way for APPLE's future product.
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Combined all these you will get a video iPod with HD screen size with WIFI that streams QuickTime media over the air. I highly doubt it. But you probably might get 1 or 2 right from all those random quotes though.
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The summary of QuickTime7 is

1) Wide use of MPEG-4 AV in many device. And New iMac and three product which APPLE will announce will at WWDC will be using this.

2) DTV support with MPEG-2 TS. Now you will have true HTPC with MAC platform and New device will be using this too.

And this will be make HDV format as part of Quicktime.

3) New JAVA integration for New device.

YES. the Java will be key component for New device. Many of you was guessing OS X for iPOD. It will not happen to small device.
For the small device, JAVA will be used for main programing and operation as OS.

4) New use of MPEG-4 AV 720/24P format for new service.

5) For the professional market, Official support of MXF format.
If you know what this is, you are professinal video person.
And if you are real professinal video person, you should know the importance of this support.

and many more change will be there.
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limtc:

How about ye old set-top box? Not exactly mobile, but could use wifi a la Airport Extreme. Maybe Apple is finally introducing an HD Tivo(-like) media box that also consumes wireless (for multi-room, iMovie broadcast, etc.)?

I'd buy that and an Apple universal remote control in a jiffy.
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For the second part is very professinal 3D technology.

let's check with WWDC schedule.

June 29

Graphics and Media State of the Union
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Mac OS X contains an industry-leading array of 2D, 3D and multimedia technologies that will make your application excel. This session will provide in-depth information on Mac OS X's graphics and audio architecture and provide the latest information on Quartz 2D, Quartz Extreme, OpenGL, and QuickTime. This session is the perfect kickoff for developers attending the Graphics and Media track.

- This will provide the information for new future professional Power MAC system.

New Developments in Quartz 2D

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Quartz 2D is the powerful 2D graphics engine in Mac OS X, with advanced features such as transparency, anti-aliasing, and PDF support. Exciting new developments in Quartz 2D will be discussed in this session along with a focus on best practices you should follow to get the most out of Quartz 2D. This session is a must see for all WWDC attendees who use 2D graphics in their applications.

- "NEW" is the key word in here. Also there is new updated support for X-window system.

Mac OS X OpenGL in Depth



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Learn the techniques and features that allow you to take full advantage of the high-performance integrated graphics pipeline in Mac OS X. This session will focus on Mac OS X's OpenGL architecture, platform-specific features, and advanced capabilities. A must for any developer new to Mac OS X or OpenGL and for those who want to stay up-to-date with the latest OS-level features.

- This will provide information about New PCI Express support and API support for high performance Workstation class application.

June 2nd

OpenGL Optimization: Best Practices

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This session focuses on techniques to optimize your application's use of OpenGL and 3D graphics hardware. A variety of optimization strategies, such as display list and vertex array optimizations, are discussed. A great session for all OpenGL developers covering the latest in high-performance graphics.

OpenGL Optimization: Live

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The ""best in class"" suite of OpenGL tools in Mac OS X helps take your application's graphics to the next performance level. In this session, Apple's OpenGL experts will work live on stage to debug OpenGL client applications and to work through real-world optimization scenarios. This session will elaborate on topics discussed in other OpenGL optimization sessions. A must-see session for all OpenGL developers.

- This will provide more detaied information about New PCI Express support and API support for high performance Workstation class application.
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New media players already go for HD and 802.11g (Airport Extreme). I thought Steve Jobs is already very clear that there will not be a mobile video player anytime soon. I think he has proven his record that when he said no-PDA, it really means no-PDA. I don't think Apple is going to compete with Elgato on its EyeHome for non-mobile Tivo-like media box.

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How about ye old set-top box? Not exactly mobile, but could use wifi a la Airport Extreme. Maybe Apple is finally introducing an HD Tivo(-like) media box that also consumes wireless (for multi-room, iMovie broadcast, etc.)?

I'd buy that and an Apple universal remote control in a jiffy.
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3) New JAVA integration for New device.

YES. the Java will be key component for New device. Many of you was guessing OS X for iPOD. It will not happen to small device.
For the small device, JAVA will be used for main programing and operation as OS.

So now our wireless video iPod can run Java (probably J2ME?) application. More interesting.
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To limtc: yor comment was quiet interesting.

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So you are thinking they will all switch to Tiger? I don't think so.

I just felt a little funny that why the next big thing from Apple and Sun are both codename Tiger.

- I did not know about this. Hmmm....

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QuickTime as an OS? This thread is getting more and more funny. How many existing companies will ditch their Linux and other OSes to use QuickTime? Most don't even support QuickTime as media format, not to mentioned lower level

- I did not say QuickTime as OS. What I am saying is that Quicktime became such a portable thing that other than PC & MAC will be using QuickTime in many device. M$ is trying to do same thing for WMP9&10, but it is not so successful.

And APPLE does not expect other company to follow them.
Because they DON'T CARE ! If APPLE can make only for their own, that is good enough, such as iPod.

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Every single OS out there has a front end (if it does not have, then it does not need one). Apple is not going to have an easy time asking them to implement QuickTime on top of the OS, and replace the front end.

And there isn't a QuickTime for Linux, which most embedded device use.

As I stated above, APPLE don't care about what other company to use this technology.
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To limtc:

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New media players already go for HD and 802.11g (Airport Extreme). I thought Steve Jobs is already very clear that there will not be a mobile video player anytime soon. I think he has proven his record that when he said no-PDA, it really means no-PDA. I don't think Apple is going to compete with Elgato on its EyeHome for non-mobile Tivo-like media box.

- Steve Job was clear about the problem of small size for mobile viewing.
The future iPOD will have video output capability but it use it differently/
I will explane this more in future and next generation of iPOD will not be announced at WWDC.

And "New media players already go for HD and 802.11g (Airport Extreme).".
What do you think ?

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So now our wireless video iPod can run Java (probably J2ME?) application. More interesting

What do you think?
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Summary of 3D

1) Professional 3D application support.

- Now APPLE has good hardware support and good software support.

AND the writing is on the wall! Goodbye SGI.

The new Hardware and software will provide good platform choice for Engineering Workstation & 3D CG.

For Engineering Workstation, Pro-Engineer will be the first company to show the support.

In fact PTC has already product for OS .

Pro/CONCEPT

PTC will expand their product line to OS X and APPLE will try to port other Engineering workstation application to Mac, like CATIA.



2) The Stereographic 3D capability.

New "DVI-I+DVI-I+Stereo"port has some meaning in the future. We will see the related product next year.

And there will be more change in the future for this area.
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Thanks for the info K-man!
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And, again, this is not inside information and I never signed NDA from APPLE.

If it's not inside info and you're not under NDA then you can, by definition, describe precisely where you obtain your information. Until you do this, your posts are worthless.
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