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post #1 of 34
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I was appalled to see some of the reactions to the latest PowerMac revisions.
The majority of posts on these and other boards were filled complaining and whining regarding the speed increase and the reports that the 3GHz barrier had not yet been reached.

By the way some of you were behaving it was like Apple had betrayed you!?

I was honestly puzzled as to why people were reacting in such a way- which begs the question: what you do actually use your mac for?

Do you use your Mac for employment or entrepreneurial ventures?
Will the magic 3GHz number enable you to do anything that you could not do on say a 1.8 or 2.5 G5 system?? Do you use all this power to just encode mp3's? or do you use for mac for playing video games?

To all those who were disappointed and complained - what do you want a Mac that fast for? And to all those that want these forth coming 2.5 systems- what will you actually do with all that grunt?
post #2 of 34
This revision 4 months, or even 2 months ago would have been well received. Now with the announcements from ATI and Nvidia of their PCI-e video cards, and the slower than expected (promised?) scaling of the 970 it is viewed as an overdue and underweliming update. This may have been better received if there were more news, and more reliable, on the scaling of the 970's production problems. That is the biggest drawback to having as much secrecy as Apple has on their products, expectation is built up too much and when you can't match that expectation then your customers are disappointed.
post #3 of 34
I am OK with the clock speed of the new Powermac, but I am disapointed by the lame geforce 5200 pro, shipping in the 1,8 and 2 ghz model. You will argue that you can BTO a radeon 9600 XT for 60 more bucks, but many retailors do not do BTO.
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Originally posted by @homenow
expectation is built up too much and when you can't match that expectation then your customers are disappointed.

Disappointment in the situation you mention above is a completly natural and predictable reaction. However in order to be disappointed in this fashion you would expect that the disappointment is based upon the expectation that in the future you would purchase a faster PowerMac in order to use it for various work loads accordingly.

So the question still stands- what do / will you do with all that power?

I am honestly puzzled here.
post #5 of 34
I haven't purchased a Mac yet. Hopefully this year. I eventually plan to run Final Cut Pro 5, DVD Studio Pro, Logic Pro 7 and I'll start dabbling in a 3d App.

I don't need a dual 3Ghz for this. Just patience and lot's of RAM. I'm far from disappointed with this release. Disappointing was watching Apple stuck with a 500Mhz G4 for a year and a half and hearing the laughter as PCs demolished Apple in every test. No we have a system that can meet and beat the "wunderkind" AMD Opteron systems but that means nothing to some fanboys who see only the value of the newest components in terms of machismo and bragging rights.

In retrospect I look at my own desires about PCI express and have to laugh. What motherboard maker makes huge architectureal changes every revision? Rev1 of the G5 motherboard was surely to lead to Rev2 no matter how long it took.

Another misconception is where people think Apple has access to every product supplier out there. The fist initial batch of superdrives were strictly Pioneers. Then eventually Sony became a supplier. Apple would generally have two HD suppliers, Maxtor and I believe Seagate. They need to have these suppliers allocate large sums of product for new launches. So it matters not that Dual Layer burners have "just" hit the market to Apple what matters is them getting the supplies they've spent months preparing for so they can ship their product.

I see a clear rift. On one hand I see producers with their nose to the grindstone cranking out new product. They have no time for speculation and "what ifs" they need to be able to assign a dollar value to each feature. Then there is the consumer who needs everything front loaded because they want that machine to last as long as possible. They won't be able to depreciate it and take write offs. They won't earn income with it. Therefore they are constantly reaching for that last megahert or Megabyte. These are the people flipping out and once they get upset it sours their whole view. Thus PCI becomes a "crippling" technology and HD bays become an untenable situation. Rationality flies out the window. Those of us who have been on AI know this is a bi-annual event. It never fails. See ya in 6 months!
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post #6 of 34
I just ordered the dual 2.5. I upgraded the hard drive to 2x250's and the 9600XT to the 9800XT. I also bumped te ram to 2GB, and ordered a 23" display because of the $500 rebate. I am a multimedia designer/developer. I use Final Cut, Director, Flash, DVD studio pro, etc. I do lingo scripting, javascripting, action scripting. I build web pages. I play games. I encode DVD's. My whole music collection is on an external 160 GB fire wire drive that I will hook it up to my new machine. I watch TV on my mac. My band records on my mac with eMagic's Logic. All this and a whole lot more. My current machine is a Dual 450 that I got 4 years ago. I am looking forward to the speed bump. I would have been fine getting the low end dual 1.8 but I just decided to go with the high end.
post #7 of 34
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Ok- its good to see some people purchasing G5 systems actually require top processor performance. I personally use my G5 for print media, video production and multimedia which obviously needs as much cpu performance you can throw at it.

Being a recent 'switcher' I was getting a negative impression of some of mac users who were complaining so vocally.

Its refreshing to see some of you do actually need a G5 and therefore some disappointment is warranted.

btw masahs; enjoy your new beast!
post #8 of 34
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Originally posted by Stylesheet
I was appalled to see some of the reactions to the latest PowerMac revisions.
The majority of posts on these and other boards were filled complaining and whining regarding the speed increase and the reports that the 3GHz barrier had not yet been reached.

By the way some of you were behaving it was like Apple had betrayed you!?

I was honestly puzzled as to why people were reacting in such a way- which begs the question: what you do actually use your mac for?

Do you use your Mac for employment or entrepreneurial ventures?
Will the magic 3GHz number enable you to do anything that you could not do on say a 1.8 or 2.5 G5 system?? Do you use all this power to just encode mp3's? or do you use for mac for playing video games?

To all those who were disappointed and complained - what do you want a Mac that fast for? And to all those that want these forth coming 2.5 systems- what will you actually do with all that grunt?

The fastest of the new Macs have clockspeeds that are 25% faster than the fastest of the original G5s. I would consider that to be a dramatic increase in speed. It is most certainly not lost on me that Apple promised 3 GHz before the end of Summer 2004. Seeing as how Summer 2004 has not even begun, Apple has broken no promise. At any rate, my 2 GHz G5 is serving me well. I will probably not replace it for another 4 or 5 years.

As for what applications people are using, I saw a similar question on MacRumors. One would be hard pressed to locate a true productivity app in the lists submitted by the three respondants. Nothing listed was particularly taxing on the processor. You may surmise that the bellyaching comes from children who are wishing that the computer they can't afford were 500 MHz faster than the one that Apple introduced that they can't afford. This group includes Apple fanboys would love to embarass their Windows-using friends about how much faster Apple's lastest offering is compared to the fastest Intel offering. For at least the next 4 years, however, I will be using my Mac rather than complaining about the Macs I don't have.
post #9 of 34
I use my Mac for video production - mostly weddings, but I'm also working on a documentary.

For me the upgrade is great - The big issue for me at the moment (on an upgraded DP 1.3 G4) is rendering times in FCP, compression times for MPEG-2 in Compressor, rendering in AE and DVD build times in DVDSP.

I may well order a 2.5 soon - the ROI for me is high as it will reduce my cycle from shoot to final DVD by about 30% from where I am now. Time is money for me.

I could not care less about the video card that's in it - If I want games, I've got a GameCube and my son has a PS2.

For high capacity storage, I use FW800 drives. Plenty fast enough for me doing DV work - If I wanted to do uncompressed SD or HD, I would buy an xRAID. Two drives is fine for me - one for the system, and the other for capturing video. Everything else can be done with Firewire drives.

So, for a small solo video producer like me, the upgrade is very nice and I'm very happy - especially by the liquid cooling as it bodes well for them to be able to scale when they get the wrinkles out of the 90nm process.

The only thing that might make me more concerned about the video card would be Motion - but I'll wait and see how it performs.

This could well be a different story if I was doing 3D work like I used to. Even then, when I was doing it I was more concerned about compositing speed rather than real-time lighting since I used multi-pass renders same as most big studios do - for those who haven't done 3D a lot, you generally don't do a single render with all lighting and texturing, you render each as a pass and then composite them to get the effects you want - much faster to tweak lighting when you can e.g. just re-composite your reflection map to reduce it rather than completely re-rendering.
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post #10 of 34
if i had enough bling bling to get a new g5, i would get the dual 2.5. sady, i don't have that much, so i'll end up with a dual 2, probably. i use final cut pro, MOTU, pro tools, shake, and aftereffects, and i'm getting into maya a little bit. so, i would like to have a fast computer to run all these .
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post #11 of 34
Hello all! I've been trolling some of the forums here for the past few weeks, and I've come across some very nice threads. I'm a Uni student and I've previously owned a Ti 15" and an Alu 15" 1.25 in the past 14months. The problem with powerbooks was resale value. I really couldn't see my self hanging on to one past 3 years, so I ended up selling/buying @ every revision till right now. I was planning on going for a 17" pbook but then the new G5s came out.

I will be getting the dual 2.5 for a couple reasons - plan to keep this machine for ages, I simply do not see my *use* of computers changing drastically in the next few years - but then again new software may call for an upgrade. I use quite a bit of Photoshop, iMove, iDVD and a little bit of Final Cut Express. I want to give garadge band a try. The extra hdd bay in the G5 will be utilized pretty soon and I'll be hogging the 8X SD quite a bit. Will buy this BTO with 128MB 9800XT, 1Gig ram, BT and AE.

Plan to use Maya a bit as well - apart from everything else I do - that probably won't be as power hungry as what I've mentioned above.
post #12 of 34
You know, I must say I too was dissapointed by he lack od PCI-e butg for my use the dual 1.8 would suffice. My plan though is to this fall bite the bullet and purchase the DP 2.5 simply becuse of the tech of the cooling system and hopefully quieter opperation (used in a small recording studio). I will upgrade the Video Card and I hope that ATI and nVidia continue AGP cards for the next couple of years. I don't want to burned as I was when I bought my nubus based PowerMac 2wks before Apple went PCI. Nubus was gone within a year.
post #13 of 34
I use my iMac as a digital hub for my photos, music and movies. Just like in the ads. I also use it to edit documentaries and put them to DVD. I went to fiilm school in the 90's and my Mac is a dream machine compared to the equipment we used then!

I have an 800mhz 17in iMac which struggles a little with iDVD and occasionally becomes a little wheezy if pushed. I have, however, yet to upgrade the RAM from the original 256mb. Once I do this and upgrade to OSX.4 later this year I expect to get at least another two years out of the old girl. Might even invest in an external firewire HD?
post #14 of 34
Stylesheet,

I am waiting for something like a 2GHz G5 iMac. I can promise you that I can sufficiently use up that much processing power.

But I think that there won't be a 2GHz G5 iMac until there is at least a 3GHz dual G5 Powermac. So that's why I am disappointed. Kind of in a indirect way.
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post #15 of 34
I don't know if it counts as "me" using all that power. But it looks like i will have the influence to choose the configuration of 30 macs to be published by my school. I personally want 2.5 GHZ g5's with a 9800XT on one. I know that I would be using that little group @ night when no1 else is to run things like neural network simulations and cognitive modeling simulations. Each cpu is its own sim, With A different parameter. Basically I have a genetic algorithm set up to breed these tests. So ya... I like and could use Power.
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post #16 of 34
Some of us have an entirely different line of reasoning regarding Powermacs. First some of us are not professionals, but do want a headless Mac that we can expand. The number of threads addressing this here and at other forums is quite large. Apple still hasn't provided anything reasonable in this regard.

The other issue is that Apple won't let the specs of their various lines cross. So if the PowerMac lines only gets X, then you know the updates in other product line areas are now only going to get Y. This means those of us further down the line know we aren't going to get what we want either.

For example say I was shopping for the updated iMac. We can now conclude that the iMac's non-upgradeable video graphics chip is likely to remain the 5200 even if they knock it up to a G5. If Apple believes they can sell $2500 with that card, why would they believe the iMac needs something different? People can shrug it off for $60 at the PowerMac level, but below that there isn't a way to do that. It just means Apple stays stuck at 2% marketshare and the iMac's sit on the shelf.

You can see this in all the "pro" areas of Apple's product line. They won't allow the iBook to have a better chipset or higher speed cpu than the Powerbooks. So if the Powerbook update were underwhelming, the prosumers and consumers will complain as well because they know it doesn't look good for their preferred product as well.

So no I don't need a dual 2.5 ghz monster. But I know since they are willing to ship that monster with only a 9600xt video card (stock) that the eMac, iMac, or iBook I look into are probably going to be stuck with something worse.

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post #17 of 34
Professional video production using uncompressed Digital Beta format, editing of an animated series (Which just got picked up by 3 major distibutors wordwide ) in that same uncompressed DigiBeta format. A LOT of DVD authoring and creation. Targa 3000 breakout boxes in Pro Digital and Analog configurations using Cinewave with a HUGE Systems Raid Array giving me an addition terabyte of storage for the 13 episodes. So yeah...the extra 500 Mhz on each processor would have been nice...but not absolutely necessary.
post #18 of 34
I play Starcraft. Over and over.

And browse these boards for rumors.
post #19 of 34
After reading this thread I've been thinking it over and this is what my options turnout (with HE discounts):

Dual 2.5Ghz G5 with 9800XT 256MB, 1Gig Ram, Bluetooth and Airport Express = £2,250

OR

Dual 2 Ghz G5 with 9800XT 256MB, 1Gig Ram, Bluetooth and Airport Express = a little less than £2,000

+

iPod 15/20 gig

Taking the total to the same cost as a Dual 2.5...

I will be going with the Dual 2 + iPod now..makes alot more sense...
post #20 of 34
Well, I have a slightly different perspective. I am a potential switcher from PC -> Mac. Reason for doing so, is that Linux and FreeBSD et al are not (yet?) up to the usability of commercial OS's. I'm getting older and am tiring of the need to carefully select hardware that my OS of choise can use. Recently I've switched back to WinXP to meet the other needs of my family (kids == games).

So, I love unix-like OSs, want commercial quality and support. Sounds like OS X to me.

My problem is that switching to a Mac is an expensive proposition. I don't want to do it unless I am completely sure that Apple (which occupies a minority position in the market) have a long-term viable product, that is capable of competing over time with current PC hardware. So, for me to take the plunge, Apple need to compete performance and OS - wise with PCs for a period over time. I see G5 (and rumoured future hardware) as a new beginning for apple and really want it to succeed. I guess that this sentiment applies to both software and hardware for the platform.

My decision window is rather narrow - I have to return to Australia in a couple of years, where the cost of a Mac is not $3000 - $3500 US, but $AUD7000+ - a cost I cannot justify, when I can build a competent PC for a fraction of that cost.

So, I'm hoping that over the next little while, Apple can convince me to make the jump...

Brendon
post #21 of 34
I'l be using my dual 2.5 powermac for video editing, motion graphics, graphic design, dvd authoring, music creation (background tracks for video), and even a little 3D. And I didnt complain one bit about the revs.

edit: this is all for work, not just fun)
post #22 of 34
Well I think there are two key issues regarding the severe disappointment in the new powermacs. Speed has little to do with it (well at least actual speed)

1. The initial g5s were announced 12 months ago And for 12 months everyone has been waiting for this update (give or take a few weeks)
2. 3ghz in a year

So essentially everyone has waitied for 11+ months to go a measly 500mhz, when it was assured there would be more progress.

While these powermacs are sure to be some of the most impressive around, they are very expensive and similar amounts of power can be had for less money on the other platforms.

And Nick's post makes an important point, due to Apple's narrow product definitions and overlap allowances means that the rest of the consumer lineup will suck, for a fairly significant amount of time.

With the lack of a headless consumer machine, and powermacs starting at 2k, Apple is missing most of the computer buying market by a long shot. Especially when you look at the consumer hardware price performance ratio. The imacs/emacs are too slow and the powermacs are too expensive.
post #23 of 34
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Originally posted by brendonhumphrey
My problem is that switching to a Mac is an expensive proposition. I don't want to do it unless I am completely sure that Apple (which occupies a minority position in the market) have a long-term viable product, that is capable of competing over time with current PC hardware. So, for me to take the plunge, Apple need to compete performance and OS - wise with PCs for a period over time.

This is an important point. I don't do that much other than web, e-mail, word processing, a game every so often, and maybe an hour or two of real work-oriented number crunching (SPSS - statistics) per week.

But I want Apple to succeed because I'm a Mac user. I want their market share to grow so there's more software for me to buy. I want more people to buy their machines so they can become cheaper due to economy of scale. I want more people to buy their products so they have the money to come up with more cool stuff like Garageband. I want them to keep developing OS X.

And as trumptman said, I want their high-end prices and features to be excellent so my lower-to-middle-line needs can be met more cheaply and with better features.
post #24 of 34
Jade this thread is about what people are "actually" doing with their computers. Not about what we expected. There are other threads in which to voice complaints about what was expected. "Too slow" and "too expensive" are subjective terms. What are you doing that causes these macs to be too slow..what are you doing that prohibits you from affording these machines. You keep ranting about the same thing.

Therein lies the disconnect. We are constantly told by the enthusiasts that macs are too expensive or too slow but these people are never the ones getting work done. Doesn't anyone see the irony in that?
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post #25 of 34
I don't use my mac for professional purposes, but I'm a hobbyist/enthusiast that do a lot of different stuff on it that often eats the CPUs of the dual G4 1 GHz I own currently.
Tasks I put it through:
- DivX/XviD encoding
- Final Cut Pro editing (occasional)
- Music creation in Reason
- 3D rendering in Cinema 4D (occasionally, but when I do it, I often do renders that take days to render.)
- Gaming (And I demand high framerates)
- Often browsing these boards ++ while doing multiple of these things
- Lighter photoshopping mostly (some heavy stuff from time to time)

And the reason I'm disappointed isn't that the 2.5 GHz G5 is slow, it's that it is too expensive, not expandable enough (Two slots for hard-drives isn't enough by a mile), and The Graphics Cards Suck. I want the Mac to last longer than this old'n'crusty G4, and it doesn't seem like the current lineup is the right one. I'm not willing to pay the premium for big-ass FW drives, that also clutter up my desk (yes, the desk is small).
post #26 of 34
I would have liked to have seen a 3 Ghz G5 come about soon, but I don't plan on buying another Mac for at least another couple of years. I am a switcher, and I own a PowerMac G5 1.6 Ghz with 1.5GB ram.

Ironically, the very day I went to the Apple store to buy a G4 was the day the new G5's were announced, so I opted for the low end given the extra power and lower price ratio. Bought the 1.6 and a 20inch cinema display and I love it. Wouldn't trade it for anything except a faster machine (with duals).

I work in 2D and 3D design and animation, but currently none of my programs are optimized for my G5 so their running natively. I plan to change that in the near future and add some more ram.

I just want a much faster machine to cut down on renders. Right now it is a hobby. Just started in December and have tons to learn still. But when you start applying high polygon counts, multi layered materials, volumetrics, complex lighting, etc, the renders can get real slow, which in the future will be costing me money.

In a few years I'll upgrade to the fastest machine at that time, which I'm hoping is at least a dual 3 Ghz or even a dual 4. Then I'll just use my current machine as a server.
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post #27 of 34
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I don't use my mac for professional purposes, but I'm a hobbyist/enthusiast

Thanks. That's exactly my point. Enthusiast fret over things like clutter and HD bays and expense.

Pro's fret over whether to buy a u320 RAID or a Fibre Channel and who makes a decent FC switch that doesn't cost an arm and a leg. Their issues go beyond differences of a few hundred dollars.

You know there's a reason why creatives don't like hanging out in AI in large numbers. They can't relate to people who feel like $500 is a huge insurmountable chasm. They don't want to spend time chatting with enthusiasts who become bipolar after every Apple event.

What you do with our Mac is central to how you view Mac updates. Everyone has their preferences and honestly a bit of me agrees in principal with every statement. I can understand the frustrations that many show here. They work hard for their money and really want the best value as they perceive it. I guess my only problem is when they go beyond their sphere of control. You can refuse to purchase for yourself but I frequently read "this lineup is going to bust" or "these aren't going to sell at all" and that's what I take issue with. The person stating that cannot shift their center long enough to realize that we all do not think monolithically.

Apple will soon snare these people with the right mix of product but until then the beat goes on and Pro's will continue to make money and enthusiasts will continue to learn using what they have. It all works out in the end.
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post #28 of 34
I use my Mac to check Apple website 150 times a day and watch Steve's keynotes via web streaming (yeah, Steve looked so bad on my 7200/90, back in the good old days!).

No actually, I'm using my Macs to implement and run real-time algorithms (mainly vision algorithms, I'm Robotics research student), and those little things are resource-consuming as hell! Anyway, I don't have to complain about my Dual 2GHz G5! Never really managed to get it on its knees!
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post #29 of 34
Quote:
Originally posted by Stylesheet
I was appalled to see some of the reactions to the latest PowerMac revisions.
The majority of posts on these and other boards were filled complaining and whining regarding the speed increase and the reports that the 3GHz barrier had not yet been reached.

By the way some of you were behaving it was like Apple had betrayed you!?

I was honestly puzzled as to why people were reacting in such a way- which begs the question: what you do actually use your mac for?

Do you use your Mac for employment or entrepreneurial ventures?
Will the magic 3GHz number enable you to do anything that you could not do on say a 1.8 or 2.5 G5 system?? Do you use all this power to just encode mp3's? or do you use for mac for playing video games?

To all those who were disappointed and complained - what do you want a Mac that fast for? And to all those that want these forth coming 2.5 systems- what will you actually do with all that grunt?


I have a dual 1.25 G4 gHz powermac with a gig of RAM.

I use it primarily for word processing (MS Word - I am a writer), e-mail, web searching, iChat, listening to mp3s, and also monkey around with Painter 8 and Photoshop (in classic environment) and do a little Flash 4. I also play Freedom Force and Americas Army on it.

It suits me just fine. I am in no need to upgrade at the moment and don't plan to in the near future. If I were to add to my computer holdings, it'd be an ibook for the same tasks I've listed above, only mobile.
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post #30 of 34
Quote:
Originally posted by Stylesheet
I was appalled to see some of the reactions to the latest PowerMac revisions.
The majority of posts on these and other boards were filled complaining and whining regarding the speed increase and the reports that the 3GHz barrier had not yet been reached.

By the way some of you were behaving it was like Apple had betrayed you!?

I was honestly puzzled as to why people were reacting in such a way- which begs the question: what you do actually use your mac for?


I can't be bothered reading the other posts here so if this is repeating what's above... sorry.

It's not so much that the 3Ghz barrier hasn't been met/exceeded. It's the fact that after almost 12 months we see a 25% increase in processor speed after we were told by Steve himself that we would be at 3Ghz (50% increase) by about this time.

Now, I don't know how much of a Mac geek you are, but, Steve never, NEVER says anything definitive about upcoming machines etc and he rarely even alludes to future machines or their specs. So when Steve says 3Ghz in 12 months, you'd better listen.

That's why everyone is upset about it. Steve made a "promise" and he wasn't able to keep it.

Personally, I don't care about the 3Ghz at this stage. I don't have a desktop machine at all. When they get the G5 into a 17" PB case, ask me again about 3Ghz.
post #31 of 34
web development, retouching, graphic design and some multimedia stuff. personally i think the speeds are decent and i can always use more power. you can still tax the processors when you're dealing with photoshop because the program continues to get more complex. multi-layers, effects layers and probably filter layers in the next version will make the working files HUGE. i regularly have working files of 200 meg when the flatten final art would only be 30 meg.
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Thanks. That's exactly my point. Enthusiast fret over things like clutter and HD bays and expense.

Pro's fret over whether to buy a u320 RAID or a Fibre Channel and who makes a decent FC switch that doesn't cost an arm and a leg. Their issues go beyond differences of a few hundred dollars.

Exactly. I don't have any problems with recommending these boxes to the boss, they're fine (all we do at work is expand the RAM).

But I'm not getting one for myself.

It'd be interesting to find the enthusiast/pro ratio for PowerMac G5 buyers.
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Originally posted by hmurchison
We are constantly told by the enthusiasts that macs are too expensive or too slow but these people are never the ones getting work done. Doesn't anyone see the irony in that?

irony at it's best.

On a personal note: I'm a creative working in the industry where Macintosh systems flourish. While price is an obvious choice its not the sole factor in such a decision.

Our primary challenge is keeping pace with the software turnover from Adobe, Quark and macromedia etc.
imo, while software capability and innovations are essential- there needs to be some revision as to how software is distributed and leased.

As far as my knowledge; Apple have always been good with speed and expandability on their pro lines. I also think that Apple is looking stronger than ever and is turning heads once again. The Macintosh turned my head a few years back

I think the enthusiast suffer from intel envy. Or arrive at the conclusion that the speed of ones cpu is directly proportional to the size of ones shlong.
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Web and print design. Photoshop, Illustrator, Quark, Flash, Director, Protools, BBedit. Most of what I really sweat is detail and I think I'd have a hard time noticing the minute speedup over small operations a current G5 would bring. My 15" Al and DP800 work great for what I do - they're just fabulously reliable and a pleasure to use. I will get a later revision G5 ca.3-4Ghz.
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