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post #41 of 303
Right, perversely, shortages tend to make the price go up. Don't expect much more than a $1-3 drop...as the details come out it'll just build anticipation.
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post #42 of 303
Figured I would post the graphic from the Apple Store for effect.



Oh man! Steve wasn't just playing with our fragile little minds.

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post #43 of 303
I think they did it because of so many people on the web are upset about Apple lately that they are trying to calm us. Congrats Apple It's working.
I kinda thought this when Alias was on stage at WWDC. It seemed like a better place to announce that Alias would bring Maya unlimited to OS X would have been Siggraph, but I was one of more than a few people that had stated in Public places that if Apple couldn't come up with something for 3D users I would be done with Mac's the day after the WWDC. iMac users are getting just as impatient as I was. Apple had already lost many Mac sales because people just did not wait as some of us did. They don't want to see the same thing happen to iMac lovers.

I am still expecting some kind of video card news now from Siggraph on the state Graphics cards for 3D with the G5's. Siggraph is primarily a 3D show, and if people are interested in how committed Apple is - this is exactly what they are going to be looking for. Apple either has to have a Quadro FX becoming available at some point, or they have to prove that the new $600.00 -Nvidia 6800 Ultra DDL will have drivers good enough to manipulate Millions of polygons in huge scenes side by side with a Quadro FX offerings on the PC.
Alias got me to wait and see, but Apple has still to pull it off the finale. I hope they do. Because I don't want to switch I love my Macs'.
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post #45 of 303
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Jeez-louise, do any of you conspiracy/doubting clowns EVER just simply believe something that's written? Ever? No, you have to start talking "hacking" and stuff.

Get a grip. It's real, you delusional nutballs.

You do a couple renderings and all of a sudden you're some big shot
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post #46 of 303
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post #47 of 303
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Maybe it's something other than the chip...

[whistles innocently...]

It's the x300/x600, isn't it? ATI still isn't shipping its PCIe products in quantity.
post #48 of 303
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So is Clintons Dog

He was run over by a SUV. Damn SUVs!
post #49 of 303
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You do a couple renderings and all of a sudden you're some big shot

I do a few, thanks, but I'm no big shot at all, smarty-butt.



I'm simply just amazed at the complete inability of SOME people to simply take anything on face value, and have to immediately start looking for hidden meanings, hoaxes, conspiracies, etc.

One has nothing to do with the other. Call it like I see it...and the first part of this thread WAS indeed quite ridiculous, by any standard.

"I call fake". "Hacked". "No way, can't be". "Hoax...someone's ass is in trouble!". "It's only on the U.S. section". "A total hack job". "The type isn't anti-aliased right...hoax!".

post #50 of 303
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I do a few, thanks, but I'm no big shot at all, smarty-butt.



I'm simply just amazed at the complete inability of SOME people to simply take anything on face value, and have to immediately start looking for hidden meanings, hoaxes, conspiracies, etc.

One has nothing to do with the other. Call it like I see it...and the first part of this thread WAS indeed quite ridiculous, by any standard.



You are aware that websites do indeed get hacked? You are also aware the GNAA had advanced info on Tiger? I was simply hypothesizing and with a wink to boot. Sit back and have a laugh.
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post #51 of 303
I think four smileys in two posts = "having a laugh". Relax. I get it.

or rather:

And I wasn't aware it would be that easy to stroll into Apple's store and post some wild stuff, out of the blue. As for the GNAA...never mind.

post #52 of 303
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I think four smileys in two posts = "having a laugh". Relax. I get it.

or rather:

I used to have a few 100x100px scaled-up UBB smileys lying around....good for the rare shockingly delightful news.
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post #53 of 303
Like the store announcement?

I wonder if they'll just let it stand for the next two months? Or do you think they'll do something earlier? The post says "announced and available in September", so I guess not.

But I can't imagine that iMac page just staying "as is" for 60+ days.

Maybe they'll dress it up with some hype?
post #54 of 303
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Originally posted by pscates
Like the store announcement?

I wonder if they'll just let it stand for the next two months? Or do you think they'll do something earlier? The post says "announced and available in September", so I guess not.

But I can't imagine that iMac page just staying "as is" for 60+ days.

Maybe they'll dress it up with some hype?

I think as a "due to popular demand" and as a form of apology, they will announce them earlier than September. I'd expect full-fledged product promo webpages with a "taking orders now, shipping September" kind of thing? (Is that even legal? I guess so).
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post #55 of 303
Yeah, that's right. I mean, if they're intending to have them AVAILABLE (and shipping) in September, it's not unheard of for Apple to announce stuff and add the tag "announcing today, shipping in [pick some far-off date]...".

They'd be about true to form if they announced/showed the new iMac SOMETIME in July and just made it known "shipping in September" (and STICK TO THAT!!!). They've announced stuff and set it's shipping date farther than 2 months, on a couple of occasions I can recall (the G4 iMac in January 2002 and last year's G5 rollout, with the 2.0GHz not available for a LONG time after June 23).

Oh, and do I even need to bring up the iPod mini?



Is that thing out there, anywhere, in any sort of reliable, "go and grab it tonight if I want" quantity? Not at my local Best Buy, Target or the CompUSAs in northern Atlanta.



It would only stir up more interest and demand to see it, place orders, talk about it, drool over the specs, etc. than to make us sit completely in the dark until September.
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They've announced stuff and set it's shipping date farther than 2 months, on a couple of occasions I can recall (the G4 iMac in January 2002 and last year's G5 rollout, with the 2.0GHz not available for a LONG time after June 23).

Oh, and do I even need to bring up the iPod mini?

Hell, AirPort Express (I think) and Tiger.
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post #57 of 303
Maybe Steve promised the shareholders a new iMac for WWDC but it didn't happen. Now that the current iMacs have run out of stock and the shareholders are angry, Steve desperately needed to do some damage control at the expense of third-party resellers (again).
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post #58 of 303
With this cat out of the bag, I think Apple needs to get the hype machine going as soon as its iTunes 100 Million songs feature is over. They need to take the bull by the horns and make something good come out of this gaffe.

The only problem with taking pre-orders is that none of the customers know what this new iMac looks like or what hardware it will be built upon. So it's hard to take pre-orders. With the original iMac, everyone knew it's features in May, what it looked like, and understood that it could be pre-ordered for an August 15th launch.

I say Apple should start hyping it by leaking slowly the features of this thing in words. This will generate traffic to the site, and keep everyone waiting to see what the next item of info is. Then slowly reveal what the product looks like by very extreme close-ups or stylized abstracts of what the new iMac looks like. Then, after people have been teased, they should take pre-orders.

My 2ยข...but Apple has already probably had meetings on how to best handle the situation and have a game plan.
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post #59 of 303
Well this may be an AppleInsider first. We are going to have a thread in future hardware for 2 months on a product that Apple has confirmed!

I'm worried about the recent upswing in Apple's trend of not getting product out the door. First we had motorola to blame, now IBM and Hitachi? Not enough chips for their computors and hard drives for their iPods. A whole summer without iMacs and missing the big back-to-school purchases. BAD APPLE! It's always something with Apple, I'm waiting for a time that they announce early with real immediate shipping.

Maybe to patch things over they can come up with an iBook/PowerBook promo as a substitute for the lack of iMacs, at least for the back to sc hool crowd.
post #60 of 303
Do you guys suddenly forgot how to speculate? I cannot believe what of a shock this Apple announcement was for you .

Let me make a start with the processor. While the G5 is the most likely, we cannot exclude the possibility for something from Freescale. What do you think?
post #61 of 303
This same message is appearing outside the US and Canada. They seem to be shown in English for many otherwise non-English sites like the Netherlands' store, but the Japanese store shows a message in Japanese.

Hopefully, this is a first step in gradually removing the curtain from the next-generation iMac, and the store should eventually reflect it if iMacs orders are no longer being honored, now that the message is out. The iMac picture and link are still there at the time of this post, and their hardware page for the iMac in the US is as yet unchanged, so was their message rushed?

Anyway, I hope it won't be a Freescale G4; they may as well make the largest possible leap from a machine outperformed by the eMac. Not that I am a potential buyer; I'll be content with my only slightly damaged iBook no matter how they treat their next desktop.
post #62 of 303
This is amazing and unlike arrogant Jobs, Bravo for Apple to stop playing spy vs spy, top secret and get smart. a while ago steve had said when marketshare hit 1% he would turn it back over to the sales guys. they had a shareholder meeting today about the past qtr and i would speculate that they made 1% of new sales hence this very unapple like announcement. its time to stop playing their stupid tier structure games and start making and selling computers to the masses. Give me a 2.0 G5 with a videocard slot and ill be thrilled! no I dont want a powermac and i dont want 3 year old hardware like iMac/Emac.
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post #63 of 303
This is a royal fuck-up. How could they have not anticipated a delay and run out of current iMacs? Investors should be pissed, especially if Wall Street isn't kind in the coming weeks.
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post #64 of 303
I would rather be told "shipping in september" and get it in september than the apple standard of promising an Aug. delivery and shipping on nov. first.
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post #65 of 303
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Originally posted by Eugene
This is a royal fuck-up. How could they have not anticipated a delay and run out of current iMacs? Investors should be pissed, especially if Wall Street isn't kind in the coming weeks.

You can say royal again. Right from the top.

Steve's outlived his usefulness. Marketshare is declining and unit sales dropping. The Mac is becoming more and more irrelevant everyday. The iPod is Apple's only saving grace, but even that is only a tiny portion of their revenue and profits.
post #66 of 303
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This is a royal fuck-up. How could they have not anticipated a delay and run out of current iMacs? Investors should be pissed, especially if Wall Street isn't kind in the coming weeks.

I think people are taking all this way out of proprtion, Apple could have easily announced the new Machines today and say, shipping in September, and then everyone will flame them for the 2 monthes wait, but the bottom line would have remained the same, 1-2 monthes without iMacs(depending how long current stock remains).

I think Apple did a smart move, they Announced the new iMac, without actually announcing it, they started a buzz, and people are starting to get ready for the release to buy a new iMac, and the smart thing is Apple will have immediate availbility. The biggest problem of the 2nd Generation iMac and why it lost it's buzz as quickly as it did(remember Apple tried to recreate the buzz with the 17" model, something that wasn't planed, Jobs said in his intro the goal was to lower iMac prices over time, that never happened cause they decided to issue larger screens for buzz) was the long waiting list for the iMacs, people don't want to order a computer and wait 2 monthes for it, that cost Apple alot of sales, people just didn't want to wait.

The way I see it Apple just created a Buzz for a product that will have immediate availbilty and will hopefully sell like crazy
post #67 of 303
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You can say royal again. Right from the top.

Steve's outlived his usefulness. Marketshare is declining and unit sales dropping. The Mac is becoming more and more irrelevant everyday. The iPod is Apple's only saving grace, but even that is only a tiny portion of their revenue and profits.

that cracks me the hell up...
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post #68 of 303
I have said it many times in other places, the hardware division is a flipping mess, get Jobs out of Marketing and product line up. You got to keep the pro's happy then do it but dont do it at the expense of the billions of consumers outhere. They have crippled Imac so bad its crazy. All these years of making iMac a literal dog performance wise has cost them their market. It should have allways had the fastest single cpu they could get their hands on but instead they gave it it leftovers from powermac and this has nearly killed it and Apples market. I would fire whoever runs Hardware, be it Jobs then so be it. Can anyone remember any product that shipped on time? Clean house and build a cheapo mac for the newbies and a powerful consumer model for the gamers and prosumers. KILL the TIER STRUCTURE before it KILLS APPLE!

with that said watch them release in Sept a 1.6 G5 with FX5200 and monitor attached.
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post #69 of 303
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This is a royal fuck-up. How could they have not anticipated a delay and run out of current iMacs? Investors should be pissed, especially if Wall Street isn't kind in the coming weeks.

I agree. While the iMac wasn't selling well at least as there was the opportunity to sell them. Now, which I really can't believe, there are no iMacs available (or hardly any) for the next 60 days.

Regarding Wall Street, I suppose this is why the announcement was made on July, 1: the first of a new quarter.
post #70 of 303
Well look at it this way, these things haven't been selling anyway, so it shouldn't hurt their revenues much.
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Well look at it this way, these things haven't been selling anyway, so it shouldn't hurt their revenues much.

I bet unit sales will be terrible though--as will be marketshare. If unit sales fall below 500k, I dare say it, it's all over for Apple. I don't know if they'll be that terrible though.
post #72 of 303
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I was kinda thinking that too. If they were kinda lagging and the general consensus around the Mac-using world was that they're old hat, underpowered, overpriced, etc., then good riddance, I guess.

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They didn't exactly seem to be flying off the shelves as of late. And had Apple attempted some sort of stop-gap move by plopping in a 1.5GHz G4, a hard drive bump and maybe a faster SuperDrive, does anyone REALLY think that would've made much of a difference, especially if the prices remained as is?

No.

People here - and other forums - would've lost their minds, ripping Apple to pieces. At least now we KNOW something new - and better - is coming. Has to be a G5, or something "worth it" because I don't think they'd re-do a whole new design to top out at a 1.5GHz G4.

Although, it IS Apple...



Two months. Settle down, for crying out loud. People wait longer than that for vital organ transplants.
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Two months. Settle down, for crying out loud. People wait longer than that for vital organ transplants.

I think Apple makes those...
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That's funny, I was interpreting this as a confirmation of Kormac's statements... I mean, if it caught Apple off guard, it not surprisingly caught Kormac off guard.
post #76 of 303
I mentioned this at another site, but it's worth posting here too: if, as the message at apple.com says, they were planning to release this new iMac "in the next few weeks", that means product shots and promo literature has mostly likely already been created, and was ready to go also.

I'm betting SOMETHING - either an actual photo or a really dead-on illustration (along the lines of the display rendering at ThinkSecret a few weeks ago) - is bound to surface, and soon.

Too easy for this stuff to find its way out. All it takes is one careless OR malicious employee (or simply some anonymous schmo, somewhere in the chain) to open their mouth, click "Send" on their e-mail, etc.



Bet we see some leaked imagery in short order...say two-three weeks.
post #77 of 303
It doesn't make any sense at all for them to do this. It would have been better to show something off at WWDC to freeze sales of the old iMac. Nobody would order it, and they wouldn't have to reveal that inventory is running out.
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It doesn't make any sense at all for them to do this. It would have been better to show something off at WWDC to freeze sales of the old iMac. Nobody would order it, and they wouldn't have to reveal that inventory is running out.

it makes perfect sense, Apple learned from the mistake of the Flat Panel iMac, when they announced it, and the models were only rolled between 2-3 monthes later, the fact that people had to wait so long to get one, killed the buzz, the iMac isn't like the iPod when you're out of stock it's a good thing and customers have to wait 2-3 monthes to get one. The iPod is the must have gadget, so with the mini people were willing to wait. the iMac no matter how cool it is people won't wait two monthes for delivery after ordering it, the iMac is still a computer, no matter how cool it is
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Maybe it's something other than the chip...

[whistles innocently...]

Nah... It's the chip(s). I imagine they didn't announce it at WWDC because they're not sure yet just how many chips they'll have available at each speed. They probably have several ranges of speeds ready to go, depending on supplies. The last thing they need is another G4 fiasco where thay can't get chips that are as fast as they promised.
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I have said it many times in other places, the hardware division is a flipping mess, get Jobs out of Marketing and product line up. You got to keep the pro's happy then do it but dont do it at the expense of the billions of consumers outhere. They have crippled Imac so bad its crazy. All these years of making iMac a literal dog performance wise has cost them their market. It should have allways had the fastest single cpu they could get their hands on but instead they gave it it leftovers from powermac and this has nearly killed it and Apples market. I would fire whoever runs Hardware, be it Jobs then so be it. Can anyone remember any product that shipped on time? Clean house and build a cheapo mac for the newbies and a powerful consumer model for the gamers and prosumers. KILL the TIER STRUCTURE before it KILLS APPLE!

with that said watch them release in Sept a 1.6 G5 with FX5200 and monitor attached.

Would you just get off your crippled iMac story. Nobody is buying that crap but you. The iMac is not crippled. It's not intended as a Pro workstation, and we all know it. If YOU don't your an idiot! Do you and every consumer have $5,000 to spend on an iMac. A few people may buy $5,000 iMacs, but Apple has to offer something for people that don't, and the iMac is it. You have not even seen, or have any idea what is powering this new iMac.
Apple does not have an 83 billion dollar war chest to throw away computers that wont sell for sh*t.
There is only one Apple, and they have made it this far by offering the best pro software, the best OS, and the best possible user experience they can by splitting their products into carefully thought out positions, and points that remain attractive to the user while trying to remain as affordable as possible. 2% market share doesn't give you the luxury of making different computers for every day of the week. You cant compare Apple to PC's in these regards because the PC is 1000's of companies in-which all of them can offer something different from one another and saturate the computing market with useless options.
Your argument doesn't hold water in the real world. The tiering system is what has held Apple together throughout. Your ignorance immaturity, and inexperience has blinded your view of reason, and reality. The tiers are at times unattractive to some, but it's not because the tier structure is lacking in conceptual design, or reason. It's because if the lack of available design time do to lack of available processors. If (Motorola) IBM has not handed Apple a processor to design a motherboard around in X amount of time what choices does Apple have to offer when time X comes around? Think about that for a minute . This has been a struggle Apple has been dealing with for years, but they have decided to ride it out, and it will soon pay off.
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