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post #81 of 303
I would not be so quick to assume that the new iMacs are G5s. Now while I believe the G5 will be the most likely processor, there's still a nagging little voice saying, "It's still too early.".

Apple has already gone on record (and very recently I might add) saying how difficult it is get a G5 into a smaller form factor. So don't be too surprised if the iMac stays with the G4 until sometime next year.

Just my 2 bits,

C.
post #82 of 303
This is all very interesting. Apple's becoming very unpredictable lately!

Here's a theory. Maybe they aren't announcing them and taking pre-orders now because if schools DID have an opportunity to order them now, Apple knows they wouldn't be able to meet demand, and all these schools who would be expecting their new iMacs to arrive in September would be sorely disappointed and empty-handed (something Apple's done to schools all too often, I'm sure). Simply not offering an iMac at this time assures that schools will purchase iBooks and eMacs instead, which Apple can most certainly deliver before the new school year starts.

And thank goodness Apple isn't offering the current iMac at this time for education buyers - our government wastes enough money as it is without teachers having the opportunity to purchase overpriced, underpowered $1,300-$2,200 computers with their school budgets. The eMac is identical to the iMac on the inside - the only difference is a kid can't accidentally poke his pencil or finger through the eMac display.

On a side note regarding the new iMacs, I think the new displays announced last week definitely hint at the possibility that Apple's display line-up will double as the head's of the iMac's, allowing iMac users to remove their display when their iMac itself becomes outdated. It's certainly a a possibility, and I think it's necessary if Apple wants to continue selling consumer-level desktops that use $1,300 displays. And of course, offer them without a display to appease the headless crowd.
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Originally posted by Concord
Now while I believe the G5 will be the most likely processor, there's still a nagging little voice saying, "It's still too early.".

Actually, it's about 6 months too late.
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Originally posted by PB
Let me make a start with the processor. While the G5 is the most likely, we cannot exclude the possibility for something from Freescale. What do you think?

That's a possibility, for sure. However, Freescale is a whole new company, I don't know if they are ready to output chips yet, and I would seem unbelievable if Apple had planned to ship a product based on a Freescale chip without Freescale having any record, productionwise (no CPU issued yet), let alone the fact that Freescale is a Motorola spinoff, so Apple should not believe in their roadmaps too much...

G5 shortages? Not sure... if so, they would have presented the iMac at the WWDC. So what? Maybe the design (internal or external design) is not flawless. Imagine that Steve presented an iMac this week, saying "shipping in September", but for some reason (cooling for example), the design of the enclosure must be changed between now and September... oops!
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Originally posted by Concord
I would not be so quick to assume that the new iMacs are G5s. Now while I believe the G5 will be the most likely processor, there's still a nagging little voice saying, "It's still too early.".

Apple has already gone on record (and very recently I might add) saying how difficult it is get a G5 into a smaller form factor. So don't be too surprised if the iMac stays with the G4 until sometime next year.

Just my 2 bits,

C.

I respect your opinion. Will apple be stopping a whole consumer product for a speed bumped G4? Where is the sense in that? I am tired of people saying pro(powerbook) before consumer(imac,ibook, and emac). Apple will put a G5 in a computer when it is ready to be shipped.
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Hi folks, Bennet Brower here.

Thought the big wigs at Apple had "shut me down" did you? Well, ol' Bennet is gonna get the "last laugh" tonight. It's true that Apple did not "plan properly" or "know that they would run out of iMacs" or even "ever think that this could possibly happen." But...It did and well now Apple is in "some kind of a predicament." Phil Schiller does not "bathe" or "wear deoderant" he also "does not know how to have sex with a woman."

In any case, the iMac is going to be "marketed" a lot before its "release." Get ready for the greatest computer ever...I'm flying, I'm flying!

God I love when Chris Farley pops up every now and again to give his input about the state of the Macintosh.
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Actually, it's about 6 months too late.

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post #88 of 303
I'm concerned about the way this was announced, though. "We have a new iMac coming in two months..." If Apple starts doing things like that, why, next thing you know, they'll be publishing roadmaps of future machines. We'll know months in advance when faster processors are coming out. We'll know all about forthcoming graphics cards, optical drives, PCI Express slots, and so on.

It'll take all the fun out of the rumor scene. If someone offers a red motherboard on eBay, nobody will even care. Apple will become just like Dull. Oh sure, the corporate computer sales will start rolling in, Apple will sell boatloads of machines and make gobs of money, but where's the fun in that?
post #89 of 303
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it makes perfect sense, Apple learned from the mistake of the Flat Panel iMac, when they announced it, and the models were only rolled between 2-3 monthes later, the fact that people had to wait so long to get one, killed the buzz, the iMac isn't like the iPod when you're out of stock it's a good thing and customers have to wait 2-3 monthes to get one. The iPod is the must have gadget, so with the mini people were willing to wait. the iMac no matter how cool it is people won't wait two monthes for delivery after ordering it, the iMac is still a computer, no matter how cool it is

This is killing the buzz before it's even revealed.

The end result is that there is no consumer desktop available for order with Apple. At least if there were pre-orders available, then Apple could forecast demand for the new units.
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post #90 of 303
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This is killing the buzz before it's even revealed.

The end result is that there is no consumer desktop available for order with Apple. At least if there were pre-orders available, then Apple could forecast demand for the new units.

Really don't think they INTENTIONALLY made this! Definitely, Jobs wanted to showcase the new iMac at WWDC, but something has happened in the process of making the new iMac. Definitely not shortages, or else, they'd be taking preorders from now.
So why? I don't know : Apple wanting to move to Freescale and Freescale screwing up, forcing Apple to redesign the whole mobo? Not likely... Cooling problems? Why not... Apple wanting to introduce OLED displays with the new iMac, but something went wrong in the manufacturing process of those puppies? Why not... Enclosure problems (remember the Cube cracks?)... I vote for this one!
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post #91 of 303
I really like the "new international shipping procedures just went into effect" theory. But from what I've read it's all green lights so far (however that was leaving China - not necessarily arrival in the US).
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post #92 of 303
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Have you ever wrapped your head up in duct tape?

Er, no. Am I missing something?
post #93 of 303
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Originally posted by 3.1416
Er, no. Am I missing something?

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Originally posted by quagmire:
I respect your opinion. Will apple be stopping a whole consumer product for a speed bumped G4? Where is the sense in that? I am tired of people saying pro(powerbook) before consumer(imac,ibook, and emac). Apple will put a G5 in a computer when it is ready to be shipped.

All I'm saying is that it would be prudent to curb expectations here a little. I really hope it is a G5 (and I think the odds are in it's favor) but you have to try and think like a big corporation. There's a lot of reasons why they might revamp the line but stick with a G4 for now. It could be that with the amount of cooling a G5 requires would mean the iMac would be noisier than they'd like. Perhaps they want to introduce the new iMac at a very competitive price and the G4 might let them get in at the price point they want.

Clearly, they need to refresh the stagnating line to generate some enthusiasm again with the iMac - but there are other ways to do that than just sticking a G5 into it. Headless, expandable, cool form-factor or just some gee-whiz addon (who knows..?) to grab the consumer's attention. Will they go Freescale? Perhaps, who knows.

Cheers,

C.
post #95 of 303
I wonder why Apple doesn't reveal the specs? If there are no iMac sales to be cannibalized, then there should be nothing to lose. In fact, they could take pre-orders so that they can add more sales to the current quarter.

I could only think of two possible reasons: 1) There was a huge problem in manufacturing that some components need to be changed. Hence the specs are not complete yet. 2) The iMac is such a great value that it might cannibalize sales of another model (either the eMac or PowerMac). Which means either that new iMac would be significantly cheaper to hurt eMac sales or significantly more powerful which might hurt PowerMac sales. Judging by the way they priced the new cinema displays, I doubt that it became cheaper. My conclusion: It has to be the iMac G5.
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post #96 of 303
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I wonder why Apple doesn't reveal the specs? If there are no iMac sales to be cannibalized, then there should be nothing to lose. In fact, they could take pre-orders so that they can add more sales to the current quarter.

I could only think of two possible reasons: 1) There was a huge problem in manufacturing that some components need to be changed. Hence the specs are not complete yet. 2) The iMac is such a great value that it might cannibalize sales of another model (either the eMac or PowerMac). Which means either that new iMac would be significantly cheaper to hurt eMac sales or significantly more powerful which might hurt PowerMac sales. Judging by the way they priced the new cinema displays, I doubt that it became cheaper. My conclusion: It has to be the iMac G5.

Brilliant post! I completely agree!
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post #97 of 303
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I wonder why Apple doesn't reveal the specs? If there are no iMac sales to be cannibalized, then there should be nothing to lose. In fact, they could take pre-orders so that they can add more sales to the current quarter.

I think an explanation was in order for iMac inventory being so low and there being no new models yet. That's the main reason for Thursday's announcement.

As you say, specs may not be finalized yet or if the specs sounded too good, people might put off buying iBooks and eMacs for the next two months, making Apple's problem worse than it is.
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As you say, specs may not be finalized yet, people might put off buying iBooks and eMacs for the next two months...

That was my main question. If Apple does not have it's specs finalized yet, can they still get the iMac ready in time for September? (I have no clue about these production-type of situations.)

IMO, if Apple is confident that the iMac will be ready for September, I assume that the production should have started already (which is confirmed by ThinkSecret). That leaves me with choice #2: the iMac is a much better value. Since making it cheaper doesn't seem to be a choice for Apple nowadays, I say it's more powerful. And since the G4 seems to have maxed out at 1.5, it has to be a G5 (or a surprise Freescale, but G5 is more likely). Apple itself has said the iMac will be "all-new". I doubt that we will see another G4 iMac.

G5 iMacs with new form-factor in September.
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post #99 of 303
My hopeful guess as to the iMac delay is that Apple didn't want to settle for a 1.6 or 1.8 Ghz processor in the new iMac. Since XServes and Power Macs use as many 2.0 (and above) G5s as IBM has been able to produce, Apple simply has to wait for more processors.
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Originally posted by iDave
My hopeful guess as to the iMac delay is that Apple didn't want to settle for a 1.6 or 1.8 Ghz processor in the new iMac. Since XServes and Power Macs use as many 2.0 (and above) G5s as IBM has been able to produce, Apple simply has to wait for more processors.

A 2.0GHz G5 in an iMac while the bottom of the line Powermac is 1.8GHz (ok, dual, but still...)? Sounds pretty un-Apple, but why not!
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post #101 of 303
Whatever Apple Comes out with I think it will be Silver (all in one) with a G5. Low end G5 of course. 17inch at the low end and a 20 inch LCD at the High end. Better Speakers, a ipod plug in without the cables,wireless keyboard and mouse (maybe)Same prices (no way)
post #102 of 303
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A 2.0GHz G5 in an iMac while the bottom of the line Powermac is 1.8GHz (ok, dual, but still...)? Sounds pretty un-Apple, but why not!

Could be Apple is tired of hearing the iMac described as wimpy and overpriced. Unfortunately, fast G5s would probably result in it still being overpriced.
post #103 of 303
PowerMac sales have been bad in recent months. Whatever the reason, Apple needs to make sales elsewhere to make up for it. It wouldn't be smart to cripple the iMac for the sake of the slow-selling Powermacs.
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post #104 of 303
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Originally posted by BeigeUser
PowerMac sales have been bad in recent months. Whatever the reason, Apple needs to make sales elsewhere to make up for it. It wouldn't be smart to cripple the iMac for the sake of the slow-selling Powermacs.

But then they'd better ready a new Powermac G5 for release right after the iMac G5... PCIe anyone?
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post #105 of 303
It's the 90 nm process isn't it?
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It's the 90 nm process isn't it?

Not necessarily! As I already have said several times (so has BeigeUser), if it had been a G5 shortage, then the new iMac would have be presented with an "available in september thing"... now it seems that the specs are not decided yet, or maybe the enclosure, and well... that's preoccupating anyway!
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post #107 of 303
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I would not be so quick to assume that the new iMacs are G5s. Now while I believe the G5 will be the most likely processor, there's still a nagging little voice saying, "It's still too early.".

Apple has already gone on record (and very recently I might add) saying how difficult it is get a G5 into a smaller form factor. So don't be too surprised if the iMac stays with the G4 until sometime next year.

Just my 2 bits,

C.

No way. Can you imagine how badly Apple would be hammered if the new iMac was still a G4-based machine? Why would anybody wait for September for one of those when they could have one right now in a form factor that is very difficult to improve on? I GUARANTEE that the new iMac will have a G5 in it. It is not too early to give such an important product in Apple's lineup the best chip they have available.

My gut feeling is that the new iMac will be an amazing product.
post #108 of 303
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My gut feeling is that the new iMac will be an amazing product.

And my feeling is that, to much disappointment for many people here, the new iMac will still be an AIO. The iMac is synonymous to desktop AIO, and Apple in the announcement still speak of next generation of iMac. They don't leave you assume something else.
post #109 of 303
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And my feeling is that, to much disappointment for many people here, the new iMac will still be an AIO. The iMac is synonymous to desktop AIO, and Apple in the announcement still speak of next generation of iMac. They don't leave you assume something else.

Same feeling here... but why wouldn't it be an amazing product if it's an AIO?
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post #110 of 303
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I wonder why Apple doesn't reveal the specs? If there are no iMac sales to be cannibalized, then there should be nothing to lose. In fact, they could take pre-orders so that they can add more sales to the current quarter.

Pre Orders don't count in your sales, revenues or bottom line, until you deliver the product you can't charge the client, or count it as a sale, so it wouldn't help Apple's bottom line, as I see it Apple want to announce the iMac with immediate availbility, as you can read from the store "new iMacs will be announced and availible in september"

if they wanted they could announce them tomorrow, but they choose to make the announcment when the product is availble
post #111 of 303
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Hummm, Steve introducing a new revolutionnary iMac at Apple Expo in Paris, AND I'LL BE RIGHT IN FRONT OF HIM WATCHING THE KEYNOTE, LIVE!!!! That's too much for meeeee!
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post #112 of 303
there is a apple promo in german store ending in july 8 for iMac and xServe started in feb. indicates apple was actually planning the new iMac this july. Seems like a G5 problem to me.
post #113 of 303
I am surprised, but pleased. Who bought iMacs anymore anyway? :P

Luckily the education market has the eMacs
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Remember Steve's Spotlight demo at WWDC? He typed in these key words:

Paris
G5
iMac


(I think)



Hmmmm...
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Remember Steve's Spotlight demo at WWDC? He typed in these key words:

Paris
G5
iMac


(I think)



Hmmmm...

Something I havn't seen anyone mention, is that when steve did the iMac search in the keynote one of the results was Decor Commercial, now correct me if i'm wrong but i don't remember the iMac ever had a commercial named Decor, i'm guessing it's the commercial for the new model
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when steve did the iMac search in the keynote one of the results was Decor Commercial

Wow! I couldn't see it in the stream. He-he, what would that mean, I wonder?
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post #117 of 303
All the talk of more G4s is simply nuts, G4 has been the cause of more problems for Apple then any Cpu ever. G4 killed cube, almost killed Powermac just as it has almost killed iMac/Emac. face it this chips days were numbered back when they sold a dual 1.42 machine 1.5 years ago yet the current imac is all the way up to--LOL 1.25? you can only rewrap a stale cpu in so many clothes before someone takes notice. G4 cant even drive a 9800 and we have people here saying imac isnt ready for G5? ( Zealots ) my take is they have tried to be to fancy with all kinds of stuff in the coming iMac and it bit them hard. They should have made a machine like powermac half the size with smaller specs,single cpu ,less memory etc. Keep it simple and affordable.
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post #118 of 303
Well, the Apple store UK has been pushing the refurb iMac units out the door for the past few weeks. The refurb section is usually only available on Wednesdays, but has been open Wed-Thurs, Fri and even Saturday lately. It has always had a lot of iMacs for sale.

I guess this really has taken the wind out of the Apple sail.

I also think the indication that Tiger is going to be 64 bit means that by the time it is released, a significant proportion of the Macs could be 64 bit (i.e. both iMac 3 and Powerbook - hopefully). I would imagine that the intro of the 64 bit hardware will allow them a good base for the later Tiger intro. The 32 bit nature of Tiger will allow G4 and G3 users to obviously upgrade too.
post #119 of 303
well....

piecing the bits together:

If next gen iMac codename is Decor, this could mean a definite push into the living room. An OSX set top box to hook up to any TV, that deals with audio, video, maybe lets you talk to it to shut off the lights, take messages from calls, and of course would let you make some home videos (iMovie), organize your pics, etc etc etc...

Thats the only thing I can think of if it is indeed called Decor
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Thats the only thing I can think of if it is indeed called Decor

I would love to think something like that was about to happen. I hope you're right.
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