Originally posted by jimmac
Did you ever notice it's the conservatives that are quick to reach for the insults and the four letter explitives?
To be fair there are some hot heads on the liberal side but nothing close to the childish statements I seem to be reading from the conservatives. It's a sign that they've run out of arguments and are backed into a corner.
I'm sorry if someone takes this as bait. It's not meant to be. It's just an observation.
I think there is a tendency in these situations for the side who is making the policy to dismiss debate as simply an attack on their position rather than a democratic right to question and scrutinise policy directions.
At least the debate has largely moved on from the simplistic allegation that you're a 'commie' or in bed with OBL or AQ if you do question why we are in Iraq. That kind of response is nonsense.
I am not from the US but from a so called 'Coalition of the Willing' country. I do not simply accept at face value what an elected representative tells me. And when I question the rationale or motives behind a policy direction it does not make me a 'commie' or someone who is a supporter of a fundamentalist group bent on the destruction of the West. Rather, if I question with rigour, the decisions my elected representatives make then it only serves to improve the quality of democracy to which the West purports to aspire.
There are so many inconsistencies in the argument of the 'Coalition of the Willing', that I simply cannot accept that the basis for the Invasion and occupation in Iraq is legitimate.
Basic arguments by the 'Coalition of the Willing' were found to be baseless: where are the WMD's, where is the link to AQ. Are we better of now that we have occupied a country in the Middle East??? Are the Iraqis liberated and free???
So who said the following? Was it Bush, Blair, Howard, Rumsfeld........"Our armies do not come into your cities and lands as conquerors or enemies, but as liberators. Your wealth has been stripped of you by unjust men... The government of Iraq, and the future of your country, will soon belong to you... We will end a brutal regime... so that Iraqis can live in security."
NO, none of them. It was General F.S. Maude, commander to the British forces in 1917.
Do the Iraqis aspire to be like 'us' when we humiliate them and torture them when they are detained? NO. And the argument that Saddam did worse things does not hold. The 'Coalition of the Willing' purports to aspire to the highest moral values and so on but cannot ensure basic human rights for Iraqi detainees.
So when there are questions over the conduct or direction of the 'Coalition of the Willing' I have every right to seek accountability from those who make that policy as I am told that I live in a democracy.
I welcome constructive dialogue from anyone no mater which side of the political spectrum you come from.