Originally posted by pfflam
I agree that there is something strange about the speed with which the Anthrax story died.
Too damned right there is.
However . . . Cheney 'said' that people started taking CIPRO, which would mean that many of the people who had started to take CIPRO would clearly have discerned a problem with the timing . . . why is it that only 'Cheney said' it and none of these people have said anything?
Maybe they have? I don't know. But I do know that Cheney said that.
This report (from a rightwing site):http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/ar...TICLE_ID=27888
I also have to admit that some of those so called 'facts' in your first list of suspicious facts are really without any credibility . . . this '2.3 richter scale' thing reminds me of the radio phone0in caller that repeatedly described an offshore EMP pulse explosion that was 'well known' prior to the great Blackout . . .he was rambling and had to be cut off . . .
From this article:http://www.americanfreepress.net/09_..._seismic_.html
Seismographs at Columbia Universitys Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory in Palisades, N.Y., 21 miles north of the WTC, recorded strange seismic activity on Sept. 11 that has still not been explained.
While the aircraft crashes caused minimal earth shaking, significant earthquakes with unusual spikes occurred at the beginning of each collapse.
The Palisades seismic data recorded a 2.1 magnitude earthquake during the 10-second collapse of the South Tower at 9:59:04 and a 2.3 quake during the 8-second collapse of the North Tower at 10:28:31.
However, the Palisades seismic record shows thatas the collapses begana huge seismic spike marked the moment the greatest energy went into the ground. The strongest jolts were all registered at the beginning of the collapses, well before the falling debris struck the Earth.
These unexplained spikes in the seismic data lend credence to the theory that massive explosions at the base of the towers caused the collapses.
A sharp spike of short duration is how seismologist Thorne Lay of University of California at Santa Cruz told AFP an underground nuclear explosion appears on a seismograph.
The two unexplained spikes are more than 20 times the amplitude of the other seismic waves associated with the collapses and occurred in the East-West seismic recording as the buildings began to fall.
Experts cannot explain why the seismic waves peaked before the towers actually hit the ground.
Asked about these spikes, seismologist Arthur Lerner-Lam, director of Columbia Universitys Center for Hazards and Risk Research told AFP, This is an element of current research and discussion. It is still being investigated.
Lerner-Lam told AFP that a 10-fold increase in wave amplitude indicates a 100-fold increase in energy released. These short-period surface waves, reflect the interaction between the ground and the building foundation, according to a report from Columbia Earth Institute.
The seismic effects of the collapses are comparable to the explosions at a gasoline tank farm near Newark on Jan. 7, 1983, the Palisades Seismology Group reported on Sept. 14, 2001.
One of the seismologists, Won-Young Kim, told AFP that the Palisades seismographs register daily underground explosions from a quarry 20 miles away.
These blasts are caused by 80,000 pounds of ammonium nitrate and cause local earthquakes between Magnitude 1 and 2. Kim said the 1993 truck-bomb at the WTC did not register on the seismographs because it was not coupled to the ground.
Only a small fraction of the energy from the collapsing towers was converted into ground motion, Lerner-Lam said. The ground shaking that resulted from the collapse of the towers was extremely small.
Last November, Lerner-Lam said: During the collapse, most of the energy of the falling debris was absorbed by the towers and the neighboring structures, converting them into rubble and dust or causing other damagebut not causing significant ground shaking.
Evidently, the energy source that shook the ground beneath the towers was many times more powerful than the total potential energy released by the falling mass of the towers. The question is: What was that energy source?
While steel is often tested for evidence of explosions, despite numerous eyewitness reports of explosions in the towers, the engineers involved in the FEMA-sponsored building assessment did no such tests.
Dr. W. Gene Corley, who investigated for the government the cause of the fire at the Branch Davidian compound in Waco and the Oklahoma City bombing, headed the FEMA-sponsored engineering assessment of the WTC collapse.
Corley told AFP that while some tests had been done on the 80 pieces of steel saved from the site, he said he did not know about tests that show if an explosion had affected the steel.
I am not a metallurgist, Corley said.
Much of the structural steel from the WTC was sold to Alan D. Ratner of Metal Management of Newark, N.J., and the New York-based company Hugo Neu Schnitzer East.
Ratner, who heads the New Jersey branch of the Chi ca go-based company, sold the WTC steel to overseas companies, reportedly selling more than 50,000 tons of steel to a Shanghai steel company known as Baosteel for $120 per ton. Ratner paid about $70 per ton for the steel.
Other shipments of steel from the WTC went to India and other Asian ports.
Ratner came to Metal Management after spending years with a metal trading firm known as SimsMetal based out of Sydney, Australia.
Calling any geologists in the house??? Lets have some scientific
explanations for those seismic spikes that happened just a few seconds before
EACH building's collapse, that are some TWENTY times the magnitude of those recorded when the buildings actually came down.
and what are the sources for these 'facts' . . . the most credible source that you list is the MSNBC site with reference to the Israeli spies . .
Good overview of the story here:http://ww1.sundayherald.com/37707
I am amazed that people don't know this stuff...it has been all over the news. Do some googling, and there's hundreds of links to stories in the regular media
. As I keep maintaining....you don't even need to get into the land of the "paranoid" for most of this stuff.
MSNBC the most credible....O.M.G.
What abot other sources? . .
For instance, you say that the videos have been proven to be fakes . . . the only place that I have encountered that 'proved' they were fakes was a site that 'conclusively' placed images side by side and said 'voila!' . . . so much for scientific method!
Go look at the video! It's all over the net.... The "Osama" in the video wears a gold ring...something absolutely verboten for a fundamentalist Islamic. The "Osama" in the video is is credited with subtitles for things he is "saying" when his lips are not moving, and on another occasion he is eating something and doesn't say anything for 3 minutes (!). The "Osama" in the video is writing notes with his right hand
, but the FBI's description of Osama says that he is left handed
. The "Osama" in the video has a face of a different shape...more square than Osama's long skinny face, and the eyes are set far further apart. And...the "translation" of what "Osama" was (or not!) saying appears to be "mistranslated, manipulative, inaccurate and misleading".http://dc.indymedia.org/newswire/display/16801
About the only similarity between these two men is that Osama and "Osama" both have big long beards and wear middle eastern attire. Unfortunately for everyone, that seems good enough for 99.5% of the US population. Sad.http://www.guardian.co.uk/september1...619188,00.html
But wait...there's more:
And, the repeated claim of 'they are still alive"? I know that there was an incident with a 'Most Wanted' man that turned up a teacher in Packistan . . . or somethng like that, but I have read nothing about the hijackers . . . . give us some citations or clam-it! [/B]
And PLEASE READ
this comment by FBI chief Mueller: I know someone posted it earlier, but it seems that too many people want to yell CONSPIRACYTHEORIST!!!!
rather than look at contrary evidence and then face up to some disquieting possibilities:http://www.americanfreepress.net/051...evidence_.html
Now look at this webpage:http://www.fbi.gov/pressrel/pressrel01/092701hjpic.htm
Now we have the situation that the FBI chief reckons that the IDs of the hijcakers is in doubt, and at the same time, on his own FBI website, are pictures and names of those 19 men, a number of whom are very much alive. Why haven't they edited this to tell us what the identities of those 19 (?) people really were? Two possibilities: Either (1) they have no idea, or (2) they do and do not want to admit to a mistake after all this time.
Even if just one
of the hijackers' real identities is in doubt, this would put a severe strain on the credibility of the official story that everyone has been told time after time. But when as many as seven may still be alive....well...you tell me.
And one more thing: Why have these issues not been dealt with by the so-called "Independent Commission on 9-11"??? It would have saved so many people and researchers so much time and so much trouble if the Commission could have laid out its findings to the public on these anomalies...and put our minds at rest, by squashing the so-called "conspiracy theories" with sound science and evidence. Not only that but such findings would have vindicated the Bush administration against the growing army of skeptics, both here in America and all around the world. The commission failed to address so much material. Even the vital evidence of firefighters who climbed up to the floors in the towers which had been impacted was PROHIBITED from being presented to the commission.
Why, why, why?????