Originally posted by NaplesX ]The real question is this:
Why is AQ and every other terrorist group around the world using kids to fight their battles? The parents of these kids should be ashamed. These people should be ashamed.
A typical head fake. "AQ and every other terrorist org" casually conflates AQ with the people of Iraq.
It is sheer foolishness to assume that because someone is yet to be considered an adult in our society, that that person couldn't possibly be a threat to your family. As it sits right now, any Arab Muslim male could be threat to you or me. Wake up.
The article being cited talks about a 12 year old girl being attacked. We already know that the majority of Iraqis being held are not terrorists or freedom fighters or anything but people in the wrong place at the wrong time.
I am so sick of all of you libs trying to sell the notion that it is intrinsically patriotic to cast aspersions. It is no longer about intellectually questioning policy, rather it is all about assuming wrong motive first then analyze later based entirely on partisan politics. What a load. be a mushroom if you wish.
You're sick? You would applaud the murder of infants and the torture of 5 year olds if you thought it was being decried by "liberals". You have no moral or ethical center whatsoever, as demonstrated by your posts.
At this point you lefties can only see negative, so that is what you preach. You don't even realize that your glasses are tinted, you've gotten used to it and you like it. Despite that, the rest of us are happy for the Iraqi people, knowing that they have embarked on tough yet worthwhile journey to freedom.
You know nothing of the kind. At this point, it is only wishful thinking to assert that Iraq has embarked on anything. The idea that being horrified by behavior that demeans the stature of my country is mindless negativity is a favorite of yours, I realize, but it still isn't true. As far as I can make out, you would blow a dead horse if it was wrapped in a flag.
If you think that freedom is easy and sterile, you need to only look back at the battles that this country engaged in. Brother fought brother or father. The number of deaths make Iraq look miniscule. But thank God those battles happened. Thank God that one brother stood up to the other for freedom's sake.
I think most of the people here that you have such contempt for are well aware that "freedom" is far more complicated than slogans and moderately good intentions. That's why we're not the ones being foolishly blithe about the prospects of freedom in Iraq.
If you are referencing the civil war, I have no idea what your point is. If not, I have no idea what your point is.
War IS hell, but freedom and liberty are worth fighting and dying for. Wether it be for your family or for people you do not even know.
Nice of you to make this decision for strangers that you know nothing about. "Here's your freedom, it comes wrapped in blood and suffering but you have no right to refuse it. We know best. Particularly those of us safe at home."
These "freedom fighters" as you so obviously view them - what are they fighting for, really?
Most of these people are fighting for freedom from freedom and liberty - for an extremist muslim state of affairs that once existed in Afghanistan. Think about that when you cry for terrorists to be treated fairly. When terrorists get their hands on chemical, biological, or nuclear materials, and they will, to target you or someone that you love, and they are, your tinted glass will become a bit more clear.
You don't have the faintest fucking idea what a given Iraqi is fighting for.
Again, you are assuming that anyone incarcerated by the US is a terrorist, and that they are indistinguishable from al Queda.
This thread is about a report that children as young as 12 are being abused while in American custody. Experience suggests that there is every possibility that these children are simply relatives of people rounded up for questioning. And you start talking about terrorists getting their hands on WOMD. You really can't keep it straight in your head, can you? It's all a big "bad guy" blur, which I suppose is easier than thinking and having sentient reactions.
You people are creating an environment much like vietnam, in that you are spreading so much derision and doubt about doing the right thing that half of America now is unsure about the merits of it's own actions. Almost every interview I have read or seen or heard of an US Soldier, that soldier speaks highly of his/her mission and the good that has been accomplished there. In like manner, every interview with a returned soldier reveals that they have returned to hear falsehoods about what is actually happening in Iraq.
Oh Christ, now the fucked mission in Iraq is "the liberals" fault, just like Vietnam. You haven't read shit about shit, you're just regurgitating the desperate fall back talking points of the baby fucking right.
It won't be long, at this pace that soldiers are returning to crowds of protesters calling them "Baby Killers" and "Murderers" and who knows what else. When it happens, remember that I predicted this 6 months ago. Sammy Jo seems to be all to willing to jump on that bandwagon, right now.
I think you may actually be brain damaged.
We are only a couple of degrees from that right now. Think about it, based on what you see in AO right now:
If you agree that the war was needed and the results were a good thing, you are a bush loving, war mongering, Neocon sociopath. You obviously condone torture of not only terrorists, but also children. I would venture to say that an overwhelming majority of the soldiers in Iraq support the war and their commander in chief. Just going on what is stated here, they are all bush loving, war mongering, Neocon sociopaths. The leap is a small one, just like back in the day.
Given the topic of the thread, I'll let the garbled reasoning and complete contempt for the actual views expressed so far speak for themselves.
If bush wins another tight election, lefties will scream foul even louder and we will have Vietnam all over again. Mark these words. Even if Kerry wins you may still see it, as a result of the libs winning.
OK, I'm sure your brain damaged.
Pacifism is a band-aid, history has told us this. When will you guys learn.
Glue has long term effects on cognition. When will you learn?
But hey, that's my Bush loving, war mongering, Neocon sociopath's two cents.
Take it for what it's worth.