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So...Now that they're released, which new PowerMac G4 did everyone buy?(Assuming you actually bought one, of course.)

I ordered:

Dual 867 G4
256 MB DDR RAM (266MHz)
60 GB HD(7200 rpm)
ATI Radeon 9000 Pro
1 MB L3 cache per processor
256 k L2 cache
Combo Drive(I'll get a third party superdrive later)
10.2, etc., etc., etc.

This baby's gonna scream compared to my current computer(iBook 500).

Pop in and share your new system specs with everyone else!

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Power Mac G4 Z05N
Mac OS - U.S. English
256MB PC2700 DDR SDRAM - 1 DIMM
Optical 2 - None
80GB Ultra ATA drive
Power Mac G4 Dual 1GHz w/167MHz system bus
Optical 1 - Apple SuperDrive
NVIDIA GeForce4 Titanium dual-display w/128MB DDR
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[quote]Originally posted by Dual 867:
<strong>So...Now that they're released, which new PowerMac G4 did everyone buy?(Assuming you actually bought one, of course.)

I ordered:

Dual 867 G4
256 MB DDR RAM (266MHz)
60 GB HD(7200 rpm)
ATI Radeon 9000 Pro
1 MB L3 cache per processor
256 k L2 cache
Combo Drive(I'll get a third party superdrive later)
10.2, etc., etc., etc.

This baby's gonna scream compared to my current computer(iBook 500).

Pop in and share your new system specs with everyone else!

[ 08-13-2002: Message edited by: Dual 867 ]</strong><hr></blockquote>

Actually, I'm still debating to either get a 17" iMac or a dual 867.

I have an older Viewsonic PT810 monitor but I really want a new LCD panel but can't afford a new unit in addition to a new PowerMac but on the other hand I don't need all the expansion the PowerMac offers.

I went and checked the pricing and a dual 867 with a SuperDrive is about $100 cheaper than the 17" iMac. I know the speed is better on the PowerMac because of the mobo and CPUs but I get more HD space on the iMac. Graphics are the same...

I waited patiently for these new machines to make a decision, I bought a new iBook 600 a couple of weeks ago to replace my older TiBook 400 and now I want a desktop to compliment it.

Any thoughts?
post #4 of 208
Dual G4/500
640MB PC100 RAM
40GB 7200RPM hard drive
ATI Radeon Mac Edition
Main drive bay: DVD-RAM
Secondary drive bay: Zip 100
Monitor: 17" Apple Studio Display (clear CRT)

My first G4 ever, with 20x my current hard drive space, 4x my current RAM, 50% faster bus, and 8x the video RAM. Oh, and 2x the processors
post #5 of 208
Me thinks i'm gonna buy dual 867

i have a monitor already so an imac isn't for me and twice the power for 300 bucks less is pretty enticing....but then again no superdrive...then theres ddr though...

i think the powermac is worth caues of the expandibility alone
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post #6 of 208
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Medazinol,
An iMac and an iBook would be a sweet combo. I'm sure that for most consumers, the new iMac(17" flat-panel) would be more than adequate. The main difference(besides the addition of another processor) in my view is the new motherboard. Even though the DDR is XServe-style, it is still supposed to increase performance of high-end graphics cards. This could make a difference in gaming but I'm not sure to what degree it would have an effect. The big advantage of the iMac is the SuperDrive and the included 17 " flat-panel.

So basically it all boils down to how much of a power user you are. If all you do is surf the net, email, and play the odd game, I would suggest the iMac. If, however, you plan on doing some digital video, photography editing, as well as all of the things mentioned above, then the new PowerMac would be the way to go.

-Dual 867


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post #7 of 208
What dual did I buy?

Dual 500 Gigabit ethernet
1538MB RAM
Radeon ADC
Zip
Two 40GB HD
DVD-ROM
$2800 CDN (approx)


Dual GHz SlowSilver(tm)
1538MB RAM (carried over from the DP 500)
Radeon 8500
Zip (carried over from the DP 500)
40 + 80GB HDs (40GB carried over from the DP 500)
Super Drive
$4260 CDN (approx).

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post #8 of 208
Dual Gig,
cheapest one with DDR 2700 Ram.

BTO with the gForce 4 Ti
and a butt-load of ram

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post #9 of 208
[quote]Originally posted by DevNull:
<strong>

Actually, I'm still debating to either get a 17" iMac or a dual 867.

I have an older Viewsonic PT810 monitor but I really want a new LCD panel but can't afford a new unit in addition to a new PowerMac but on the other hand I don't need all the expansion the PowerMac offers.

I went and checked the pricing and a dual 867 with a SuperDrive is about $100 cheaper than the 17" iMac. I know the speed is better on the PowerMac because of the mobo and CPUs but I get more HD space on the iMac. Graphics are the same...

I waited patiently for these new machines to make a decision, I bought a new iBook 600 a couple of weeks ago to replace my older TiBook 400 and now I want a desktop to compliment it.

Any thoughts?</strong><hr></blockquote>

you're not serious about the hd space are you? that's a pretty weak comparison, if you don't need the expansion you certainly don't need 80 gigs. the dual 867 will be ridiculously faster for the price (as compared to the 17")
post #10 of 208
Medazinol:

For $50, you can BTO a Dual 867 with a 80 GB HD instead of a 60.
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post #11 of 208
I was all set to get the 17" iMac but now that 1ghz powermacs cost 500 bucks less and they now have a faster bus and ddr memory I'm leaning towards the powermac. Maybe Santa will bring me a cinema display for it. I've been good, honest
post #12 of 208
You know those of us who want the top have to wait until OCTOBER to score. A wait that long makes me want to wait to order until then. No telling what specs will change including 10.2.1 probably. I am also waiting for FCP 3 to be certified for 10.2 + to have QT 6 Pro in the box. So October seems like enough time for the remainder of QT 5 Pro FCP 3's to be flushed through the pipeline.

Word is that iMovie 3 will also be released by then. And iCal and the rest of the July promises will be bundled by then as well. I hate to have to wait but it's Apple's problem in the first place to make us. By then I can even imagine the displays haveing a lower price. Hell, we might even get faster SuperDrives by then.

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post #13 of 208
For the more adventurous among us, Im betting that the 867 is going to overclock really well.

167 bus, and 5.5x multiplier for 913, or 6x for 1gig.
post #14 of 208
No, the dual 867 still has a 133 MHz bus. Only the 1.00 GHz and 1.25 GHz have 167 MHz buses.
post #15 of 208
I am aware of that - hence overclocking.
The 867 uses the same chipset as the 1 & 1.25, it will probably have no issues running at 166.

However, 166 x 6.5 = 1080, and thats a fairly big boost for the 867 ( although it might do it ).
Therefore, it will be nessecary to reduce the multiplier to 6x or 5.5x to try and get it to run.

I think the heat removal of the new machines will be up to the task.

The only unknown is the cpu, which may not cope with a 166 bus. It would have been likely if the 1 and 1.25 werent shipping immediately, but the 1 is.

Therefore, I think, that just like the iBook and iMac, it is artificialy crippled to make the high end machines look better.

Most users will be quite content with the 867 as is, however I see real potential there for it to be far and away the best value mac for a long time.

Of course, we will have to wait till a few people get their machines, and try to boost them.

Ill be dissapointed if it dont fly, but the 867 is still a whole lot better value than yesterdays 800, so Im not going to worry about it for long.
post #16 of 208
[quote]Originally posted by Bodhi:
<strong>Power Mac G4 Z05N

</strong><hr></blockquote>

I thought you already had a Dual 1 GHz... <img src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" />
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post #17 of 208
This is my new baby...

1 Custom Power Mac G4 Dual 1GHz 1 3199.00 4 - 6 jours
065-3703 Power Mac G4
065-3817 Dual 1GHz PowerPC G4
065-3704 512MB PC2700 DDR SDRAM -1 DIMM
065-3135 80GB Ultra ATA
065-3140 DVD-R/CD-RW
065-3228 NVIDIA GeForce4 Ti 128MB, ADC/DVI
B065-3138 56K internal modem
Z065-3222 Apple Pro Keyboard - Int'l English
F065-3126 Mac OS
FN065-3125 Country kit

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post #18 of 208
really want to get the dual 1Ghz.

funds are not likely to support that want. <img src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" />


we'll see. If they bump the imac 17 inch to 1Ghz and 133Mhz bus by MWSF I'll likely get that
post #19 of 208
Interesting that a lot of you opted for the GeForce 4 Ti... I'm about to buy the dual 1 GHz tower myself. BTO with the GeForce 4 Ti and without the modem.

I recommend that nobody add memory at the Apple store... it's 2-3 times more expensive that way. Just get your Mac with the RAM it comes with by default and buy the rest somewhere else like Ramjet, Memory X or even a store like Fry's. It's standard PC2700 DDR memory after all, you should be able to get it just about anywhere.
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post #20 of 208
I'm sort of glad I bought my Dual 1 GHz in January.

The DDR is dressing. The drive bays? 2 5.25" is nice, but 4 3.5" is unnecessary, and still possible with a QuickSilver. ATA/100? I can still add an ATA/133 PCI card to my system if I want it...

The dual 867 is a great deal but if I was looking for a dual 1 GHz, I would probably save the bucks and buy the old one for $2200. I'll bet the performance difference is marginal. For sheer badness, the dual 1.25 will have its audience, but I'm sort of glad that my system wasn't the last stop-gap before we get some real bandwidth. Hopefully something magical will happen between now and 2004 (IBM's desktop POWER4 derivative with SIMD.) I'll probably buy another Power Mac three (possibly four) revisions from now.
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[quote]Originally posted by Xaqtly:
<strong>Interesting that a lot of you opted for the GeForce 4 Ti...</strong><hr></blockquote>It's a much better deal now with Quartz Extreme. Not only do games run much faster, but OS X' GUI will speed up as well.
post #22 of 208
[quote]Originally posted by Xaqtly:
<strong>Interesting that a lot of you opted for the GeForce 4 Ti... I'm about to buy the dual 1 GHz tower myself. BTO with the GeForce 4 Ti and without the modem.

I recommend that nobody add memory at the Apple store... it's 2-3 times more expensive that way. Just get your Mac with the RAM it comes with by default and buy the rest somewhere else like Ramjet, Memory X or even a store like Fry's. It's standard PC2700 DDR memory after all, you should be able to get it just about anywhere.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I would not suggest opting out of that 56k modem. It is almost impossible to add it later, and it's only $50. bucks... You may need it when you sell it later.
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post #23 of 208
I was getting a 17" iMac until yesterday (I had already ordered one) but now I'm getting this:

Dual 1ghz PowerMac G4
512MB of RAM (1 DIMM)
AirPort Card
Everything Else @ Factory Config

and

17" Apple Studio Display (LCD)

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post #24 of 208
I bought the Faster spec.

Dual 1 Ghz
with no changes.

And I added 22" display..



Was very tempted to buy the Dual 867 with the superdrive though. (Probably should have done that but... ) when have you ever seen a Wells Fargo truck following the hearse?

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post #25 of 208
[quote]Originally posted by Eugene:
<strong>

I thought you already had a Dual 1 GHz... <img src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>

Sold that baby two weeks ago!
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post #26 of 208
and I think I will sold my Dual 800 too.

Bodhi, are you looking to had a second optical drive ?

Programmer, did you buy your new mac already ?
Can you do some report on it ? Please.
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post #27 of 208
[quote]Originally posted by Eugene:
<strong>I'm sort of glad I bought my Dual 1 GHz in January.

The DDR is dressing. </strong><hr></blockquote>

Sorry, but there's no amount of justification you could possibly put forth that could take away from the advantages of a 166 MHz bus compared to your 133 MHz bus. The Macs need as much bus speed as they can get, the 166 Mhz bus makes a big difference over the 133 MHz bus. Whether you need the extra drive bays or not or whatever... doesn't matter. The reason I'm getting a new dual 1 Ghz is because of the bus speed. The other stuff is nice too.

[quote]Originally posted by onlooker:
<strong>I would not suggest opting out of that 56k modem. </strong><hr></blockquote>

I really don't need it and won't ever use it. And I'm not planning on selling this Mac, either.
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post #28 of 208
Dual 1 GHz

BTO options:

512 MB DDR RAM (adding another 1.5 GB once it arrives)
120 GB HD
GeForce 4 Ti

Also ordered separately:

Sonnet <a href="http://www.sonnettech.com/product/tempo_trio.html" target="_blank">Tempo Trio</a> (ATA/133, 2 Firewire, and 2 USB 2.0/1.1)
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post #29 of 208
i bought this on the 13th at around 10:30am est

Power Mac G4 Dual 1GHz w/167MHz system bus
1GB PC2700 DDR SDRAM - 2 DIMMs
120GB Ultra ATA drive
Optical 1 - Apple SuperDrive
Optical 2 - Combo Drive (DVD/CD-RW)
NVIDIA GeForce4 Titanium dual-display w/128MB DDR
56K internal modem
AirPort Card

this is taking the place of my old g4 450 tower
i cant wait.
post #30 of 208
POWAMac G4 runnin' Crazy @ double 1Ghz,
base config exept Combodrive instead of Superdrive.

Then I'll buy more disks and RAM from a cheap-ass PC store!

I also converted a PC-using friend, and he's gettin' the 867 with RADEON9000!
post #31 of 208
[quote]Originally posted by Eugene:
<strong>
The DDR is dressing. The drive bays? 2 5.25" is nice, but 4 3.5" is unnecessary, and still possible with a QuickSilver. ATA/100? I can still add an ATA/133 PCI card to my system if I want it...

.....I'm sort of glad that my system wasn't the last stop-gap before we get some real bandwidth. Hopefully something magical will happen between now and 2004 (IBM's desktop POWER4 derivative with SIMD.) I'll probably buy another Power Mac three (possibly four) revisions from now.</strong><hr></blockquote>


Well I am thinking of the same thing

But if IBM powered machine comes next spring I surely will buy it....of course if the price is within my range
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post #32 of 208
While the $1699 dual 867MHz is tempting, I really need a laptop, so I'm buying the $2499 TiBook. For $800 I get 38% the processing power, 66% the graphics power, 50% the hard disk space, a combo drive that's 50% slower, plus a nice wide screen LCD".

Desktop replacement my ass.
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post #33 of 208
[quote]Originally posted by Bodhi:
<strong>Power Mac G4 Z05N
Mac OS - U.S. English
256MB PC2700 DDR SDRAM - 1 DIMM
Optical 2 - None
80GB Ultra ATA drive
Power Mac G4 Dual 1GHz w/167MHz system bus
Optical 1 - Apple SuperDrive
NVIDIA GeForce4 Titanium dual-display w/128MB DDR
Apple Pro Keyboard - U.S. English
Accessory kit

</strong><hr></blockquote>


Bodhi. I don't really get it. You had the Dual GHz SlowSilver(tm) and you are jump to the machine that has CPU with the exact same speed?

Yes I know the bus is 34Mhz faster and has one more optical drive bay.

But after selling the SlowSilver(tm)....you will have to pay extra for the DDR-RAM etc etc. You end up will be paying like 600 bucks or something for a machine with only 10-15% improvement.

Doesn't really make any sense. :confused: <img src="confused.gif" border="0">
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post #34 of 208
Anyone know any tricks to get my credit on track so I can get a new powermac. My credit was stolen a couple of years ago... bastards... I really want the dual 1gig with the radeon9000 if anyone knows of a way please let me know cuz then I'd get one within 5 minutes if finding out how. hehe
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post #35 of 208
I'm going for BTO dual 867 with superdrive tomorrow

However, I can't decide on which graphics card to get...I am tempted to get the Radeon 9000, but have heard reports that it is slower than the 8500...

I'll probably just go for the GF4 MX and upgrade when the Ti comes down in price...

Either way I'm happy

Peace,

Marc
post #36 of 208
[quote]I'm going for BTO dual 867 with superdrive tomorrow

However, I can't decide on which graphics card to get...I am tempted to get the Radeon 9000, but have heard reports that it is slower than the 8500...

I'll probably just go for the GF4 MX and upgrade when the Ti comes down in price...

Either way I'm happy

Peace,

Marc
<hr></blockquote>

Marc, You may want to stick with the base graphics card and pick up a Radeon 8500 on which ATI has recently reduced the prices. Or, you could pick up a Radeon 9700 coming out soon but that's gonna cost some $$$. Anyway, that's what I'm doing on a new dual 1Gig. Enjoy your new PM.
post #37 of 208
[quote]Originally posted by Leonis:
<strong>


Bodhi. I don't really get it. You had the Dual GHz SlowSilver(tm) and you are jump to the machine that has CPU with the exact same speed?

Yes I know the bus is 34Mhz faster and has one more optical drive bay.

But after selling the SlowSilver(tm)....you will have to pay extra for the DDR-RAM etc etc. You end up will be paying like 600 bucks or something for a machine with only 10-15% improvement.

Doesn't really make any sense. :confused: :confused: </strong><hr></blockquote>

A) Makes sense when I sold it for $3200!


B) Makes sense since I paid $2500 for it!

C) Makes sense considering what I am paying for THIS machine!

Honestly...I roll my investment over and over into new machines. I skipped a bump once and it bit my ass. It's fun, I have EXCELLENT contacts so I pay slightly below cost for the machines, it's not much money out of my pocket to upgrade so why not?
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[quote]Originally posted by kraig911:
<strong>Anyone know any tricks to get my credit on track so I can get a new powermac. My credit was stolen a couple of years ago... bastards... I really want the dual 1gig with the radeon9000 if anyone knows of a way please let me know cuz then I'd get one within 5 minutes if finding out how. hehe</strong><hr></blockquote>

My law firm can sometimes help clean up credit based on "identity theft." Send me an email and I'll give you the details... augustwest100@hotmail.com

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post #39 of 208
Power Mac G4 Dual 1GHz w/167MHz system bus
512MB PC2700 DDR SDRAM
80GB Ultra ATA drive
Optical 1 - Apple SuperDrive
NVIDIA GeForce4 Titanium dual-display w/128MB DDR
56K internal modem

I also ordered mine on Tuesday and it is still being reviewed. When I ordered it, it said 1-3 days til shipping. If you place the same order now, it says 2-3 WEEKS til shipping. Not a good sign.

Also looks like the default models still say 1-3 days and any BTO model will have a longer wait.

This is replacing a PowerMac 7100 (upgraded to a 260MHz G3), so this is a MAJOR upgrade for me.
post #40 of 208
[quote]Originally posted by DVD_Junkie:
<strong>

Marc, You may want to stick with the base graphics card and pick up a Radeon 8500 on which ATI has recently reduced the prices. Or, you could pick up a Radeon 9700 coming out soon but that's gonna cost some $$$. Anyway, that's what I'm doing on a new dual 1Gig. Enjoy your new PM.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Cheers for the advice

Marc
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