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post #121 of 208
[quote]Originally posted by Masker:
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I'm a newbie when it comes to firewire. The only firewire cable i have looks like it was meant to be plugged into a camera, (one end has a small connector).. so I can buy a firewire cable that has two big ends?

I'll look for those I guess.

MSKR</strong><hr></blockquote>

For a little adventure, just pull the drive out of the Quicksilver and temporarilty connet it to internal ATA bus on new machine. Apple thoughtfully supplied connectors for 3 additional hard drives... No Ethernet crossover or firewire cable needed. This would be the quickest transfer too, I think.

For what its worth,

Paul.
post #122 of 208
dual 1 GHz (stock model)
SuperDrive
Radeon 9000 Pro
256 MB RAM (+ 256 from Crucial)


shipped late yesterday / early today,

expected Monday / Tuesday.
post #123 of 208
My reseller in Switzerland still expects 3 days for teh 867 to arrive, 7 for the 1GHz and still 20 (which is the maximum his software would display) for my 1.25Ghz...

I guess I won't see it before October, which is kinda...lame.

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post #124 of 208
Better figure on 40 days before you get the dual 1.25 GHz model. But it'll be worth the wait. I'm waiting with you. In fact I'm not even ordering until right before the rebate offer expires at the end of September. By then we can expect our dual 1.25 GHz DMDs to have 10.2.2 pre-installed with iMovie 3, iCal and more.

Just back from the Palo Alto Apple Store Jaguar Premiere that took place last night from 10:20 PM until about 2:40 AM in downtown Palo Alto California about 30 miles south of San Francisco and 15 miles north of Cupertino. They sold out every dual GHz DMD Macs they had and probably what ever few dual 867s they had. Jaguar was a hit with everyone in the store. My guess is there were at least 300 people that passed through that store last night.

I have to say that the new Macs cannot be comprehended by studying them on this web. You have to see them in person to really begin to appreciate what a breakthrough product that case is. I am certain that one can populate the inside with easily 6 - 200 GB ATA drives for a total of more than 1.1 Terabytes of available storage.

There are 4 fans. Two small ones pushing front to rear through the power supply, one medium fan blowing directly into the side of the dual opticals and one gigantic fan blowing across the enormous heat sink situated in the middle of the insides. There's room for two drives below the opticals and two or maybe even three drives above them. There's also 2 drive slots in the rear under the power supply and behind the heat sink that share the ATA 100 bus.

The mirrored drive doors and frame are all MIRRORED METAL not shiny plastic like the photos would have you believe. Serious metal. And that shiny metal theme includes the rear of the four vent ports. Most of the intake air is undernieth the front NOT through those retro ports.

The box that the computers come in have gigantic blow ups of the ports on the sides. Those ports are almost as cosmetic as the ports on BMW Z1s. But they do look cool.

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post #125 of 208
[quote]Originally posted by BJNY:
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Connect both computers with a firewire cable. Restart the older computer while pressing the "T" key. You are now in Firewire Disk Transfer mode, your older computer acts as a hard drive. Then drag over the 50GB of files .</strong><hr></blockquote>

By the way, thanks for the tip.. Copy time went from 22 hours down to 2 hours.

I'm setting this thing at home now.

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post #126 of 208
I just submitted my order for a dual-867! I was going to wait until next year to replace my trusty old dual-450 but the price and specs are just too tempting. With the faster bus and L3 cache, the 867 should easily be twice as fast as my 450. Next year I will upgrade half the Macs in the office and will get myself a higher-end box then as well; meanwhile someone else in the office will get a nice upgrade with my old Sawtooth.

Summary
Power Mac G4 Dual 867MHz w/133MHz system bus
256MB PC2100 DDR SDRAM - 1 DIMM
60GB Ultra ATA drive
Optical 1 - Apple SuperDrive
Optical 2 - None
ATI Radeon 9000 Pro dual-display w/64MB DDR
Ultra SCSI PCI card & cable adapter

I have a second hard drive I will pop in the new machine, and have 1GB of RAM on order from Crucial.
post #127 of 208
I got my stock dual 867 a few days ago from a local reseller...

I was determined to wait for MWSF or later, but my cube expired and I had to buy a new system. Anyway,despite my big reservations, it is an awesome machine....

OS X really flies on it, and the performance is a revelation over the cube (even with a 10.2, QE Radeon and stack of ram). It is like day and night.

If anyone is undecided as to whether to buy now, I would say that you would not be dissapointed with an 867... it is very, very good indeed.

Also, noise wise, it is quieter than the old 800DP which I had for a while, and easily bearable, even when used on a desktop.

Peace,

Marc
post #128 of 208
I've decided on a dual 867 also, I should be picking it up later this week.

Good to hear people are happy with the speed of these.
post #129 of 208
My question for all of you new buyers, is why are you spending money on these new machines when all tests have shown there is no significant performance difference over the Quicksilvers. Save yourself some serious money and get a Quicksilver Dual gig...or if you can find one, a dual 800. With the extra dough you could buy a ton of ram, a nice 19 inch monitor, or an ipod.

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post #130 of 208
You can read about my mis-adventures in procuring my new mac in this thread : <a href="http://forums.appleinsider.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=10&t=002434" target="_blank">Three Stooges</a>
But here is my dream system, part of it is already here!
Dual 867/256/60
Superdrive upgrade
Radeon 9000
(2) 17" Studio Displays
ADC/DVI adapter. ProSpeakers & iSub.

unfortunately, this "bottom of the line" system cost me $4400 before rebates. The displays look so badass, though I'm glad I spent the $$$$$ The only gripe is that I shouldn't have to pay $150 to
use an Apple monitor with the stock Apple vid card. They should figure out a way to subsidize that. That's just stupid business sense.

I feel good about the purchase, because someone's buying my G4/400/704 for $1500 with the old monitors!!!


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post #131 of 208
[quote]Originally posted by superfula:
<strong>My question for all of you new buyers, is why are you spending money on these new machines when all tests have shown there is no significant performance difference over the Quicksilvers. Save yourself some serious money and get a Quicksilver Dual gig...or if you can find one, a dual 800. With the extra dough you could buy a ton of ram, a nice 19 inch monitor, or an ipod.

[ 08-25-2002: Message edited by: superfula ]</strong><hr></blockquote>

The Dual 800 SlowSilver(tm) has a lot of hardware-related problems. I never recommend it to people
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post #132 of 208
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Superfula, try comparing a new "low-end" Dual 867 with the previous "low-end" 800MHz and then tell me there is no performance difference. Your perception of the new machines is definately skewed if you imply that there is "no significant performance difference".

The Dual GHz machine shows a tremendous performance increase over the previous 933MHz G4(the model it REPLACED!!!!)

You also seem to disregard all of the motherboard and enclosure improvements which make the new machines infinately more desireable than the older generations(2 Gigs RAM, 5 HD's, 2 Optical drives, L3 cache across the board, DDR, etc., etc.)

Sorry if I come off as being angry, but I am a little ticked at many people's bizarre comparisons.

-Dual 867

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post #133 of 208
[quote]Originally posted by Dual 867:
[QB]Superfula, try comparing a new "low-end" Dual 867 with the previous "low-end" 800MHz and then tell me there is no performance difference. Your perception of the new machines is definately skewed if you imply that there is "no significant performance difference".

The Dual GHz machine shows a tremendous performance increase over the previous 933MHz G4(the model it REPLACED!!!!)

You also seem to disregard all of the motherboard and enclosure improvements which make the new machines infinately more desireable than the older generations(2 Gigs RAM, 5 HD's, 2 Optical drives, L3 cache across the board, DDR, etc., etc.)

Sorry if I come off as being angry, but I am a little ticked at many people's bizarre comparisons.

-Dual 867<hr></blockquote>

Now if you really did read my post, you would have noticed it said DUAL gig and DUAL 800. I never mentioned single 800 or single 933. The fact of the matter, is that the new dual machines provide very little performance boost over the dual 800 and the dual gig. You're wasting hundreds of dollars on a terrible purchase. Unless you just want the "new thing"

The extra gig of ram is pretty useless. Anything over 1 gig is overkill. The 5 hd slots are also over kill. Very few people need a second cd bay currently. It is handy though. And if you think it's full DDR, you are seriously mistaken. If you call "enclosure improvements" the fact that it is as loud as an AMD pc, or if it is butt ugly, you are correct. There are no other "improvements" that make it any better Check the benchmarks comparing the new PM and the dual gig and dual 800. The difference is negligible.

[quote]The Dual 800 SlowSilver(tm) has a lot of hardware-related problems. I never recommend it to people<hr></blockquote>

I have a dual 800 and have had zero problems. In fact from read through forums, it doesn't seem to have any more problems than any other computer.

If you guys want to keep making excuses to back up the fact that you were stupid and bought the new G4s thats fine. Don't think the rest of us will feel sorrow for you.

The fact remains that the new G4s are the WORST buy in the Mac lineup. It offers no performance boost over the two duals i mentioned. You'd be better off getting an imac. Save you some money, and save face. If you think otherwise, you may want to do some research.

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post #134 of 208
Waiting for waiting, finally I've upgraded my order on the Apple Store. From a Dual Gig to a Dual 1.25 ! Just a difference of 400 , but I downgraded the GD4Ti to the ATI 9000...
Combined this is a 900 Mhz upgrade from my Dual 800 !

BTW, I've got a lot of problems with my Dual 800 : MB changed one time, processor changed one time, the whole machine changed one time and finally the alimentation changed also.
This was my worst experience with a mac.

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post #135 of 208
[quote]Anything over 1 gig is overkill. The 5 hd slots are also over kill.<hr></blockquote>
[quote]Bill Gates: 640KB of RAM should be enough for everyone<hr></blockquote>
[quote]IBM CEO way back: "I think there's a worldwide market for maybe 2 computers"<hr></blockquote>
[quote]People after the introduction of 40GB disks: You can never in your whole life fill that much space<hr></blockquote>

I'm sorry, but you're just making a complete arse of yourself by a: ignoring the changes in casing, mainboard, CPU speed and price/performance ratio.
b: Believing the first benchmark that surfaces, comparing the ancient "Fastest" to the current "Faster" system, and totally neglecting IO performance per se
c: not waiting for DP 1.25GHz machines to be tested
d: by posting here, owning a DP 800 and calling people idiots who upgrade from a G4 450 or even less.

Frankly, yes, your system is still good enough for mostly anything, and no you don't have to envy us for getting a new system, with equal or better performance at half the price.

Really I prefer any Wintel troll to your kind of naysayer id&%*&.

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post #136 of 208
[quote]Originally posted by superfula:
<strong>My question for all of you new buyers, is why are you spending money on these new machines when all tests have shown there is no significant performance difference over the Quicksilvers. </strong><hr></blockquote>

This has been said a couple o' dozen times all over the web, but I'll say it again: the "tests" you refer to, like most computer performance benchmarks, focus on CPU - not system - performance.

We already know that the CPUs in the new machines are the same as in the QS - therefore it's no big surprise to find that CPU-centered tests reveal no big difference between DDR & pre-DDR PowerMacs. As in, "DUH"!

Overall system performance is MUCH harder to gauge, and so it's rearely attempted.

I know people HATE car analogies ('cause they're so apt, and hard to refute), but auto performance is gauged by a number of benchmarks, including 0-60mph, elapsed-time in the quarter-mile, fuel efficiency, and horsepower. These tests ARE NOT run w/ 4 adults + luggage onboard, but that's when performance really matters.

The changes to the DDR PowerMacs are OF THE SORT that - in cars - would only show themselves when pulling a real load through a variety of driving & road conditions. What benchmarks DON'T tell us is how the system will handle pulling passengers uphill w/ the air-conditioning on (so to speak).

For myself, DDR-RAM, the 167mHz bus, the L3 cache and that new system controller make the new PMs equivalent to a glimpse into the future. I bought the outgoing tech 4 years ago; it's time for me to move up to the G4, and the Quicksilvers are the outgoing tech.

The future is faster SYSTEMS, not just faster chips, and the DDR-PMs are the first swell of the next wave. I'm getting on.
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post #137 of 208
[quote]Originally posted by superfula:
<strong>If you guys want to keep making excuses to back up the fact that you were stupid and bought the new G4s thats fine. Don't think the rest of us will feel sorrow for you.

The fact remains that the new G4s are the WORST buy in the Mac lineup. You'd be better off getting an imac. Save you some money, and save face. If you think otherwise, you may want to do some research.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I'd like to apologise for having offered a thoughtful response to a pissy little brat like you. Your nym is well-chosen.

We can only pray that you have a younger sibling from whom you can learn a less exalted view of yourself. However, once you get to high-school, you'll find that your tough-guy posture brings beatings, not friendship.
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post #138 of 208
[quote]Originally posted by Capt. Obvious:
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I'd like to apologise for having offered a thoughtful response to a pissy little brat like you. Your nym is well-chosen.

We can only pray that you have a younger sibling from whom you can learn a less exalted view of yourself. However, once you get to high-school, you'll find that your tough-guy posture brings beatings, not friendship.</strong><hr></blockquote>

And now you are flaming me. Seems as if the pot is calling the kettle black....child

Since you guys are in denial, I'll send you to a couple links

<a href="http://www.barefeats.com/pmddr.html" target="_blank">http://www.barefeats.com/pmddr.html</a>
Benchmarks comparing the new duals to the old.

<a href="http://forums.macnn.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=118712" target="_blank">http://forums.macnn.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=118712</a>
A discussion thread about that benchmark at MacNN. Seems they know a little bit more about what they are talking about.

a) There are NO improvements in the new case design, save one...the 2 optical drive bays. They have an extra fan. They run hotter. They run louder because of the fans
b) There is little to NO performance gain with the new processors. You have yourself a new mobo that uses DDR, but you have an old processor that still uses the sdr frame. The new G4s also only have 1MB of L3 cache. The old had 2MB of L3. Thats a big difference
c) DDR ram is more expensive than SDR.
Etc, etc, etc...

Evidence shows the Quicksilver DP 1Gig or the Quicksilver DP 800 are the sweetspots. By buying the old 1Gig, you are saving at least 300 dollars. Thats a lot of ram, the best video card, or half a 17 inch lcd, etc.

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post #139 of 208
[quote]Originally posted by superfula:
<strong>Since you guys are in denial, I'll send you to a couple links</strong><hr></blockquote>
Thanks buddy, how kind of you.
[quote]<strong><a href="http://www.barefeats.com/pmddr.html" target="_blank">http://www.barefeats.com/pmddr.html</a>
Benchmarks comparing the new duals to the old.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Yup, I think everyone has seen this link. Very interesting stuff.
[quote]<strong><a href="http://forums.macnn.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=118712" target="_blank">http://forums.macnn.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=118712</a>
A discussion thread about that benchmark at MacNN. Seems they know a little bit more about what they are talking about.</strong><hr></blockquote>
This is the first time I've ever heard someone say that the posters on MacNN know what they are talking about. But I gave it a fair read.
[quote]<strong>a) There are NO improvements in the new case design, save one...the 2 optical drive bays.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Never mind 24 bit audio input/output, an extra ATA bus, and more room for extra harddrives.
[quote]<strong>They have an extra fan. They run hotter. They run louder because of the fans</strong><hr></blockquote>
Actually, the QSs where very loud to begin with. The newer systems are not louder. Nor are they hotter. Unless your telling me that a DP 1Gig with 2MB of L3 cache and a smaller heatsink is actually cooler than a DP 867 with 1MB of L3 cache.

Your not, are you? Of course not because then your "credibility" would be thrown out the window.
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b) There is little to NO performance gain with the new processors. You have yourself a new mobo that uses DDR, but you have an old processor that still uses the sdr frame. The new G4s also only have 1MB of L3 cache. The old had 2MB of L3. Thats a big difference
c) DDR ram is more expensive than SDR.
Etc, etc, etc...

Evidence shows the Quicksilver DP 1Gig or the Quicksilver DP 800 are the sweetspots. By buying the old 1Gig, you are saving at least 300 dollars. Thats a lot of ram, the best video card, or half a 17 inch lcd, etc.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Am I really saving that much (just so you know I ordered a DP 867 earlier today)? The closest place to be (CPUsed in Toronto) is selling the old QS Gigger for... ohh... $3699 CDN (I just checked a couple other places and they all have the same pices too). The computer I just ordered was $2409 CDN.

The new Gigger is at $3799 CDN. So for $100 you get more harddrive space, another ATA bus, better audio (with actual ports) a faster bus, a better videocard, higher RAM capacity, oh, and speed holes.

Sorry buddy, but your advice sucks.

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post #140 of 208
It's pretty obvious that Superfula (with a full 3 posts to his name) is clueless about what a lot of power users have been wanting AND waiting for for a long time. I have examined these new computers in person and believe me one needs to do that to really understand how revolutionary and compelling the case is. It is clearly possible to put at least 6 hard drives inside this monster (2 more fit above the opticals). At 200 GB each (Western Digital 7200 RPM shipping now @$400) that's 6x 186 GB formatted = 1.1 Terabytes of internal storage with the addition of an ATA 133 PCI card of course for less than the $2600 list of those components.

The four fans are ALL variable speed so they can adjust to the heat cycles as quietly as is necessary. Considering that my choice of the dual 1.25 GHz model includes 2MB L3 cache in EACH processor and that I intend to do MEMORY (Max 2GB 333 DDR) intensive work editing video with it, Superfula is way out of line trying to pit his year old 2001 dual 800 against these new bohemouths with radically more expansion capability, functionality and class.

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post #141 of 208
Anyway...back to who ordered what dual...
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post #142 of 208
[quote]Originally posted by superfula:
<strong>Evidence shows the Quicksilver DP 1Gig or the Quicksilver DP 800 are the sweetspots.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I've got a Dual 800... and I have ordered a Dual 1.25 that's 50% more speed with more RAM, more HD space, more room for expansion etc.
I remember a few years ago, I've upgraded from a 7100/80 to a 7500/100. Just because the case was better, more upgradable, etc.
This time is the same. This Mac is perfect.
In fact I can tell from reading some forums that this very Mac is the first to be completely build for Mac OS X Jaguar. That sounds great !

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post #143 of 208
why do you think it is that i have still not recieved my new 1ghz duel yet...and i orderd it on the morning of the release.. the only things i changed on it was i added an airport card, geforce4 ti, 120gb hard drive and 1gb of ram...i know others with this exact config and they got theirs 4 days after they ordered.
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post #144 of 208
Bummer. Keep calling Apple and poring on the heat. That's an awful lot of extras. Maybe they were out of one of those things.

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Banjo Billy, I feel your pain! I ordered a Dual 867w/Radeon 9000 Pro, the day they were announced, and it still says "being assembled". I got their standard "we are short on parts" e-mail which told me that it could take another 5 business days. Well, tomorrow will be the fifth day so I'm going to call them in the morning and try to get some answers. I went to a local reseller and played with one for a few minutes and I have to say that I was more than impressed with the speed!! The thing absolutely flew through every test I put it through. Return to Castle Wolfenstein was perfect with the GeForce 4 MX(all details and textures set to high), and I ordered the better vid card so I'm even more excited now!!!

-Dual 867
post #146 of 208
Banjo Billy and company: I'm in the same waiting boat. I ordered my dual gig on the 13th and was told last week that my machine wouldn't be assembled until this week. (My only upgrade was 512 MB of RAM instead of 256.) How long can it take to switch a memory card?

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post #147 of 208
hm I received my DP 1.25GHz today...and then I woke up and was very dissapointed.
Bah only 4 weeks to go.

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Well, another shipping deadline passed, another call to Apple. Yesterday, the guy I talked to swore that my computer was going out that night(hmmm, just like when he said that a week ago ). Well, according to the same guy this morning, my machine may not ship for another 10 business days!!!! wtf is wrong with this picture? All I ordered was a Dual 867w/Radeon 9000 Pro. We have people here ordering the GeForce 4 Ti and receiving it a week after the actual order was placed. And I am still waiting and will be waiting until mid-Sept. for my damned computer to ship.
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[quote]Originally posted by Sybaritic:
<strong>Banjo Billy and company: I'm in the same waiting boat. I ordered my dual gig on the 13th and was told last week that my machine wouldn't be assembled until this week. (My only upgrade was 512 MB of RAM instead of 256.) How long can it take to switch a memory card?

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I have a friend who works for a specialist and deals directly with manufacturing and distribution. Apple is out of Radeon and GeForce Ti's if you can believe that.

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post #150 of 208
Are ALL Macs TOO EXPENSIVE???

YES THEY ARE! No question.

But... In the relative terms of 'Best Mac Value', the DP867 is it! Anyone thinking of getting an iMac Superdrive should move up to a BASIC DP867 and not bat an eye. In a year's time superdrives will be cheap enough to get a flea market. In 18 months DDR RAM will be cheaper to get than SDR RAM. Cheap, big, INTERNAL, drives are plentiful now. You'll not want for PCI expansion or GPU upgrades. And you can make do with a good CRT for now, then in a year or so treat yourself to a reasonably priced NON-APPLE LCD!.

You'll easily get twice the life out of a DP867 than you will out of an iMac.
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post #151 of 208
Ordered a dual 1 Gig with 512 of Ram and the GeForce4 Ti on the 13th. Should have it by tomorrow.

So at least some machines are making it out of Apple.
post #152 of 208
I'm always amazed how Apple never fails to screw something up. Really never, either they deliver new hardware at a totally ridiculous price/performance ratio (Cube) just to end up having tens of thousands on stock, or they make decent hardware and fail to deliver it, until the next generation is already due.

I'm not complaining, my machine isn't due before in 4 weeks anyway, but I definitely do expect it to ship within the projected timeframe, or I will be seriously mad.

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Hope for the best...Prepare for the worst. Now my order status has actually gone BACKWARDS!!!! It went from "being assembled", to "being reviewed" this morning.

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post #154 of 208
Matsu, what did you buy ?

What comp are you on ?

Just curious.

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post #155 of 208
Nothing. My money is too good for most of Apple's current offerings. I'm on an AMD K6-2 300. Amazing, eh?

I used to regularly use graphite towers under 9.1, DP533 and SP733 (superdrive), but I'm spending less and less time in the dept lab. For my work (mostly writing and editing) I use my home computer and a selection of Office Dells. YAY.

I'd like a mac, BUT THERE IS NO WAY I'M going to pay what Jobs' thinks is a fair price.
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post #156 of 208
I decided to go ahead and make the purchase that I've been wanting since January, and especially since a few weeks ago... I picked up a new dual 1ghz on my way home this evening.

First impressions (having only used this thing for about 20 minutes total so far):

1. A bigger speed improvement from my dual G4 450 w/ 1gb RAM (even though I haven't added the extra 512mb chip I bought yet) than I had expected, so if it gets even zippier with 768 mb RAM, and especially once I add another 512 next month or so, I'll be ecstatic

2. Startup time is a huge improvement

3. Jaguar is smoooooth

4. The whole system feels better-integrated and more complete than 10.1

5. The Apple Pro Mouse is attractive and all that, but I can't wait to unplug it and put my Intellimouse Explorer in its place

6. I had forgotten how much I hate Internet Explorer for OSX -- I'm downloading Mozilla now

Overall I'm quite happy, though the Photoshop experience will be more telling.
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PS. Matsu, there's healthy skepticism and then there's being a plain old downer...
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Here's a quick "real world" benchmark I did to compare the speed of my old machine (see above) versus my new dual 1ghz.

One of the things I most often had to wait for when using my old machine -- not a long wait, but frequent enough to be annoying -- was when I was converting an EPS file output from Quark, into a rasterized CMYK in Photoshop, to be saved as a Jpeg. In the course of doing CD package designs, I often create EPS output for proofing purposes -- either low-res output for posting to the web (so the musician could see his CD cover design and send me comments on it) or high-res output so I can evaluate the layout (since Quark displays such a poor-quality, color-inaccurate, low-res image onscreen). So I'm rasterizing this CD-booklet-sized image (9.5 x 4.75 inches) to either 72 dpi or 600 dpi, depending on what I'm going to use the output for.

On my old machine, rasterizing a sample EPS file that I created, at 72 dpi, took about 7-8 seconds and, rasterizing at 600 took about 45 seconds.

On my new machine, rasterizing the same EPS file using the same version of Photoshop, took no more than 2 seconds at 72 dpi, and about 18 seconds at 600 dpi.

Rasterizing different kinds of graphic content gives different results for some reason -- I guess the process of rendering one kind of EPS is different from another -- so I used the same 13.5 MB EPS both times. The rasterized file, when saved as a TIFF, is 62.5 MB in size.

These tests aren't at all meant to be "scientific" benchmarks, but I just wanted to figure out for myself in practical terms what effect this computer will have in one area that made me impatient with my old one. I don't really care about Quake 3 FPS (I have a PC for that stuff!) so graphics conversions & filters, and audio plugins, are what I care about.

Oh, and I'm still comparing the new machine using only the 256mb of stock RAM. The doofus at The Computer Store gave me a 512mb stick of PC2100 RAM by mistake, so I'll have to return it and get the right stuff, before I can test this thing out with a decent amount of RAM in it (which may or may not make a difference on a test like this, though I suspect 1.25GB RAM would give better results given OSX system overhead, the RAM used by Photoshop, and the size of these files).
post #159 of 208
[quote]Originally posted by Matsu:
<strong>Nothing. My money is too good for most of Apple's current offerings. I'm on an AMD K6-2 300.

For my work (mostly writing and editing) I use my home computer and a selection of Office Dells.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Y'know, this explains SO much....
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post #160 of 208
Capt. Obvious :

"Written documentation is an admission of failure!!
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Man, this is so true !!!

Mac mini 2.53 GHz, 4 GB, NVidia's 9400M.
13" MacBook Pro 2.66 GHz, 8 GB, NVidia's 320M.
OS X Snow Leopard 10.6.8

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Mac mini 2.53 GHz, 4 GB, NVidia's 9400M.
13" MacBook Pro 2.66 GHz, 8 GB, NVidia's 320M.
OS X Snow Leopard 10.6.8

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