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post #161 of 208
Banjo Billy, Dual 867, and other Waiters: I hope your long drought ends soon. I'm happy to say that mine finally has. The machine arrived yesterday. As many have said, it's much more impressive in person than in a photo. It looks robust, feels robust, resizes windows with ease, gets hot, has beautiful internal organs (I easily loaded a second ATA hard drive and additional RAM), purrs a bit, and generally behaves like a gentle monster. In short, this is what computing should be.

I've had enough of Windows XP and a crappy Dell laptop running Windows 98 (death). I have always been more at home on my PowerComputing Power Center Pro, but now that the dual gigger has arrived, this old PowerComputing stalwart is going to do some light lifting. Stopgap or no stopgap, the new machine will last a good three years and do a lot of video and photoshop rendering along the way. By then, Apple will have Power4 competitiveness and a first class platform in every respect. Those are my predictions. I'll be posting a lot less in this forum, however. Too much fun work ahead.

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post #162 of 208
I ordered My DP867 with a Radeon 9000upgrade & superdrive on the 19th. I received the CPU on the 28th, and it was the last of the components to arrive (the displays, speakers, and adapters came right away) But as I have posted elswhere, Apple screwed up, overcharged me $1500, temporarily lost one of my 17's ASDs, and generally jacked things to high heaven. Maybe I got mine because I called EVERY DAY and got in someone's ass.

Try the ass approach, it apparently worked for me.



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post #163 of 208
I've got my dual 1 Gig today... WOW !!!
And remember that I'm coming from a Dual 800.
More later about testing this baby.
All I can say for now is that the QuickSilver and the Mirrored have about the same level of noise. The QuickSilver is more like a tenor and the MDD is like a soprano. Acceptable. Also opening a 120 Mb file in Photoshop 7 (from the SuperDrive) when listening Vanessa Carlton in iTunes, surfing the Web (here), and doing some coding in dreamweaver with a little u/l on a FTP server. And all is SMOOTH ! All I can say for now is :cool:

Edit: the third fans didn't kick yet.... I'm trying to do my best but no way. For the moment I have only 512 Megs of RAM, upgrading to 2 Gig later and the graphics card is the GF4Ti

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post #164 of 208
I still think it's not worth to jump from the Dual SlowSilver(tm) to those new "One-Eyed Mike" (tm)
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post #165 of 208
Yeah, I totally agree with that. I was debating switching my dual GHz Quicksilver for a new tower but I don't see it being worth it especially since I'm going to hack my case for a full size drive in the lower bay. Plus I found some RAM for dirt cheap that I'm gonna stick in. I'm actually very glad that I bought in Febuary.

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post #166 of 208
I love my new dual 1ghz, but there's no way I would've purchased one if I already had a quicksilver dual 1ghz.
post #167 of 208
I've ordered a
dual 1Ghz with 512MB DDR RAM,
17" Apple LCD,
Sound-sticks and iSub,
GeForce 4 Ti,
Combo Drive,
5GB iPod with remote.

All for £3400 inc VAT
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post #168 of 208
[quote]Originally posted by Jeff Leigh:
<strong>Ordered a dual 1 Gig with 512 of Ram and the GeForce4 Ti on the 13th. Should have it by tomorrow.

So at least some machines are making it out of Apple.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Well, that's encouraging to hear. I ordered the same thing, but I also upgraded the HD to 120GB because of the DV stuff I do. I also ordered on the 13th, but I'm still waiting.

Steve
post #169 of 208
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Day 22 and still "being assembled".......

-Dual 867
post #170 of 208
Poor Dual. You got the handle, but no computer to match! I've been using mine for a week now, and it truly whoops ass. I love the way the BIG fan turns on every now and then and makes me think the cleaning lady snuck up on me with the Hoover.
My wife called me at work (apparently my mac woke up by itself) to tell me that it sounded like it was going to blow up. I told her, "that's normal, it's the reactor spinning up"


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post #171 of 208
just checking too see when "junior member" goes away. at 50?
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post #172 of 208
SWEEEEEEEEET.

No more thread hijacking is neccesary. Please return to Dual's topic.
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post #173 of 208
I guess there is a really great demand for these machines.
post #174 of 208
Dual 867
Superdrive
GeForce Ti

Ordered 8-23, shipped yesterday 9-3

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post #175 of 208
I just wanted to check back in and say that several days' heavy use of my new dual 1ghz has made me even happier with it. This is the kind of fluidity and stability I had always hoped OSX would end up with, and it's here now. The machine is a joy to work with, interface and all.

Observations on top of the ones I mentioned initially:

1. Classic starts up FAST! Maybe 10 seconds or so...

2. FTP-in-Finder seems not to work at all

3. Apple's Pro Mouse and Pro Keyboard are both pretty-looking, well-constructed, but ultimately less useful than the alternatives

4. The new Netscape is preferable to the latest Mozilla in OSX
post #176 of 208
Still no word from my IT department on my dual 867 with SuperDrive and Radeon 9000. Since I ordered it through them I can't even track it.

It's probably sitting over there waiting to be inventoried before they deliver it. I have a box of RAM from Crucial sitting on my desk, mocking me.
post #177 of 208
now I must send back the Dual Gig to Apple
but that's because they made a mistake, in fact a change my order to a 1.25 and they send me the 1 Gig instead... now I'm pretty sad because it's a beautiful mac, but only 4 weeks to wait to have finally the real deal :cool:
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post #178 of 208
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post #179 of 208
Yo liquidh2o!
Get that tower down on the floor where it belongs and you'll be much happier without all that noise in your face and wasted desktop space. PLEASE!

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post #180 of 208
[quote]Originally posted by SteveS:
<strong>

Well, that's encouraging to hear. I ordered the same thing, but I also upgraded the HD to 120GB because of the DV stuff I do. I also ordered on the 13th, but I'm still waiting.

Steve</strong><hr></blockquote>

Since I've been complaining about waiting so long, I thought the only fair thing to do was acknowledge that my machine has finally shipped! I don't have it yet (dual 1 gig, 512mb, Geforce 4Ti), but I know it's on it's way - finally!

Steve
post #181 of 208
I too received my new Dual 1 Ghz/167 with GeForce 4 Ti. In fact I received it right after AppleInsider went down - I've actually had it for almost 2 weeks now. I ordered it with factory ram (256) and I ordered a 512 MB chip from memory-X for only $139... I've said it before and I'll say it again, do NOT order memory from Apple. it's waaaaay too expensive.

This Mac absolutely screams. It's just fantastic. Warcraft 3 is like buttah now. nice and smooth, with all effects and options turned up to maximum. iTunes will rip CDs to MP3 at 192 kbps as fast as 23x... I tend to think it's limited by the SuperDrive's read speed, too. I plan on getting a super fast burner for my second optical bay at some point, it'll be interesting to see how much it changes the rip speed in iTunes.

I was able to carry all my saved mail and my address book from Claris Emailer on my G3 over to Mail in Jaguar on the new tower, and it's all happy.

I also ran some benchmarks and got some interesting results. I used two free benching programs, CocoaBench and SpeedRun. In both cases, my tower got higher marks than any other Mac previously tested, including the Quicksilver dual 1 GHz. Check out the screens: this is my results in CocoaBench, and then comparitive results from their web site.




Here's my results from SpeedRun. My Mac is highlited in blue near the bottom.



I just found it interesting that in both programs my Mac tested higher than the previous dual 1 GHz, when there seems to be so much flak about the new one not being any faster. But when I see two different programs showing me that the new one is actually faster, I think that lends it a little more credence.

In any case it's certainly fast enough for me, at least for now. I don't need to use Classic for anything, even though it loads very quickly.

oh yeah, and AltiVec Fractal tells me I'm pushing 7050 megaflops, in 1.9 seconds. I got nothing to complain about.
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post #182 of 208
[quote]Originally posted by Xaqtly:
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I also ran some benchmarks and got some interesting results. I used two free benching programs, CocoaBench and SpeedRun. In both cases, my tower got higher marks than any other Mac previously tested, including the Quicksilver dual 1 GHz. Check out the screens: this is my results in CocoaBench, and then comparitive results from their web site.

</strong><hr></blockquote>

Contratulations on your new machine! I should be getting mine today (finally). The obvious answer regarding your benchmarking question is that you are running Jag and the older machines were not. Either way, the new boxes have a few advantages the older ones didn't. I'm sure you have a nice machine, I'll find out just how nice very soon!

Steve
post #183 of 208
I bought the Dual-Ghz SDRAM just before MacWorld New York on the advice of several friends who are insiders at Apple. They strongly hinted that the changes were not earth-shattering and the current models (SDRAM) would be similar in performance. I was using a much-upgraded B&W and getting desperate for a dualie. I looked at used DP 533 machines, but the prices just seemed too high compared to the new Macs at almost twice the processor speed. I couldn't give a rat's ass about one model of Dual-Gig being a little faster than the other - I'm just thrilled with the new speed!

I had said I wouldn't buy a new PowerMac until the vaunted G5 materialized, but I realized that a DP GHz machine would be more than enough computer for an "inspired amateur" like myself, and by waiting for vaporware like the G5 I was simply depriving myself of the Mac I wanted and deserved. Hey, if you don't treat yourself right, who will? I paired the new QS with a 22" Cinema Display and I'm a happy guy!

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post #184 of 208
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Glad to hear you're so pleased with your new system, Rambo47. Too bad though that you had to pay $500 US more for that machine over the new DDR one . Didn't your friends know that the price of the Dual GHz model would fall drastically considering that it would now be the mid-range model?

-Daul 867

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post #185 of 208
I got mine for a hair over $2800 plus tax. Yeah, they said prices would come down with the intro of new models adn I was indeed planning to wait, but I had waited long enough. Another day would have put me in a bell tower with a high-powered rifle. I've always been the kind of person to research a product, hem and haw about which model and when to buy, then suddenly go berserk and buy the top one, all options, gotta-have-it-now. More money than brains? Could be, could be...

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post #186 of 208
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Rambo47...Heh I know what you mean. I've been known to do the same. I always end up happy either way, though, like I'm sure you do.

BTW, as of 8:30pm local time, my computer is shipped!!!!



-Dual 867
post #187 of 208
[quote]Originally posted by Xaqtly:
<strong>iTunes will rip CDs to MP3 at 192 kbps as fast as 23x... I tend to think it's limited by the SuperDrive's read speed, too. I plan on getting a super fast burner for my second optical bay at some point, it'll be interesting to see how much it changes the rip speed in iTunes.

oh yeah, and AltiVec Fractal tells me I'm pushing 7050 megaflops, in 1.9 seconds. I got nothing to complain about. </strong><hr></blockquote>

I ran a few tests myself on my new dual Gig box. First I converted a file to .wav (so I could run on PC as well), then I converted to iTunes (160 kps). The song converted at 38x +. A 4:20 minute song converted in less than 7 seconds! By comparison, my PIII 1 GHZ (using Musicmatch) did it in 18 seconds and my iMac G3 500 took 55 seconds.

Quartz extreme works well in 10.2 with the Geforce 4 TI card. Anyone that thinks Macs or OS X is slow, hasn't used one of these machines! I've been able to play multiple movies, download stuff from the internet, while burning a CD and playing iTunes. I haven't even come close to over taxing the CPUs yet. Q3 plays great at the highest settings (1280x1024 - 17" flat panel, max textures, max geometry, etc. stays above 90fps). Using high quality settings (32bit, etc... at 640x480), I've been able to get 225fps (with minor tweaks such as r_smp, s_chunksize, soundmixahead, etc.). Still, playing max quality at the monitor's native resolution is nice and 225fps doesn't look or feel any faster than 100fps.

After I do some more software installs, I'll test Photoshop, etc.

Steve
post #188 of 208
Steve, you nailed it - these new duals are frickin FAST. Jaguar combined with this new hardware (faster bus, faster disk I/O, faster memory etc) makes for a killer combination... you have to use it to fully appreciate how fast they are.
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post #189 of 208
hey i think i am going to make you mad. i am typing from my new dual 867. i still cant believe its mine when i look at it. but i ordered it on the 28th and it shipped out on the 30. but due to labor dayand having to drive it from home to the dorm, i didnt really get it till this sat.
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post #190 of 208
Yesterday, I came back from a vacation and found a message on my cellphone: My new Dual 1GHz was delivered in the mean time. I'm typing this on my new machine which will replace my old B&W G3 300. So far everything looks fine, except one strange display problem:

When I connect it to my Iiyama AS4431D (a 17,4" LCD display) via the DVI-VGA-Adapter, the picture is fine. When I connect it directly to the DVI port (the monitor has an analog and a digital port), I get a disturbance: Some areas show flickering pixels, typically some lines thick and several centimeters wide (but sometimes also patches with several single pixels). The appearance seems to be connected to the displayed picture.
Example: On a DVD movie, the disturbance is very noticable on several patches. When the Desktop is displayed, the amount and area of the problem can change with the position of the cursor. E.g. often there's a line of flickering pixels just in the middle of the menu bar when the mouse is at the end of the last menu item. When I move the mouse some pixels to the right, the length of the disturbance decreases drastically.

Anyone else got this problem or better: a solution?
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post #191 of 208
[quote]Originally posted by Kali:
<strong>Capt. Obvious :
Written documentation is an admission of failure!!

Man, this is so true !!!</strong><hr></blockquote>
Ironic, really; this, IIRC, was tossed out in the heady days before the Mac appeared onstage (pre-Lisa, even - '82 or '83?); there was a lot of talk about 'moving beyond the command line'...none of it coming from Apple.

I believe the biggest noisemaker was Epson (! (but maybe not)), who were touting a bit of software they were working on, called (I think) Voyager.

The claims and descriptions for it were dazzling - stupifying, really, because nobody knew WHAT all this talk about intuition and paradigms and interface meant.

In response to some kind of backlash (the usual harrumphing of the that's-not-possible crowd?), one of the Voyager(?) people shot back w/ 'written documentation is an admission of failure'.

God, that made me laugh - cause it WAS/IS so true, and because it was so far from being a reality (in the sense of being a real design principle @ the time). I loved it, used to taunt my best friend (1st programmer I ever knew, & one of the best) with it.

Then Lisa hit the streets, then the Mac, Epson(?) closed down their project, and Voyager(?) was never heard from again.

Second historical note: because the hype and hoopla (and believe me, amigos, THAT was hype) that surrounded Voyager(?) was so fantastic, and became a hot topic in geek circles for months, the complete and utter disappearance of the subject matter stunned a lot of people; the reaction was so profound that a new word was coined to describe the phenomenon.

The word? Vaporware - a product that exists only as a sales pitch; a 'believe it when I see it' scenario specific to the software industry.

Just in case anyone cares.

For myself, every time I have to resort to a manual to understand the basic concepts of an app, I think to myself, 'someone's not doing their job'!

[ Geez, you'd thnk I'd be able to spell by know ]

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post #192 of 208
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Heh, I already know the serial number of my new machine(from the mailed-out invoice) but I don't even have the darned thing yet!! Sheesh! FedEx sure takes their time. Here's hoping for tomorrow.

-Dual 867
post #193 of 208
[quote]Originally posted by GSpotter:
<strong>When I connect it directly to the DVI port (the monitor has an analog and a digital port), I get a disturbance.

Anyone else got this problem or better: a solution?</strong><hr></blockquote>

Try a new cable.
post #194 of 208
My dual 1 Ghz is "being assembled"...
I can't wait!
post #195 of 208
I just got my dual 867!! I spent 3 friggin weeks trying to get it. I live in Japan and my limit on my card, in the states, is $3005. Well, first off they lost my computer. Then they finally get it in but my credit limit in Japan is only 100,000 yen or about $900. Then, they forgot to order my monitor(17inch flat panel). So finally I decided just to pay cash for it. The ATM will only let me take out 50,000 yen at a time so it has taken like 5 days to get all the money together! But I finally I got it today, and I get the moniter tomorrow. I is a happy camper.
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post #196 of 208
Can't you just personally go to a bank and get as much as you have?
We also have limits on our cards here, although somewhat higher, but I could go to the bank and get all my money any day. Now that's not too much for me, but you could also get several 100'000$ if you show up personally and announce it.

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post #197 of 208
[quote] Yours was the only one running Jaguar. install 10.1.5 and then look at the difference. You will be sadly dissapointed. <hr></blockquote>

You really think Jaguar has any bearing on a CPU test? Or an FPU test? Or a disk I/O test? Did it ever occur to you that maybe the reason my disk I/O results were better than the others was because for the first time the Power Mac has ATA-100 and NOT because I'm running Jaguar?

Maybe if I had been running benchmarks on window compositing you would have a point. But you didn't think this through very well, and your point is not a very good one and would certainly be proven wrong. But I'm not going to go back to 10.1.5 just to prove it... use some common sense instead.
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post #198 of 208
[quote]Originally posted by wfzelle:
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Try a new cable.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Further investigation revealed that the problem only appears after I wake the machine from sleep. After a fresh boot, everything is fine. Only after sleep mode, the display shows these errors.
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post #199 of 208
... and now my dual gig has shipped! I'm going to tackle the FedEx guy when he gets here!
post #200 of 208
Wooohoooo Our new DDR Dual Ghz just arrived and it is FAST!! And I dont know what the issue with all the noise is about Its not louder than my 733 Quicksilver....so ?!?!? <img src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" /> :confused: what the big deal?
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