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post #41 of 76
Looking at these 23" monitors makes me wonder just how gorgeous the 30" model must be?
post #42 of 76
All those pics look so damm amazing!

I WANT one.

I am curious on how many people have any dead pixels - and if you could take it back if it did.

Anyone know what the return policy would be on that. I guess a place like Fry's would have a no questions return policy, probably apple too?

Anyone know for sure?
post #43 of 76
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Originally posted by mefull
Anyone know what the return policy would be on that. I guess a place like Fry's would have a no questions return policy, probably apple too?

Got mine from the Apple Store, Cherry Creek (Denver). There are no dead or stuck pixels, fortunately. From what I understand, although I'm not sure they put it in writing anywhere, Apple will replace a display only if there are five total dead or stuck pixels or if there are three very close to each other.

I've been extremely lucky in that I've had seven LCD displays, including those on laptops and an iMac and not one has had any problem pixels. Must be living right, I guess.
post #44 of 76
You know what was weird? When I first got this iMac, there was one dead pixel (or stuck or something) right near the middle of the screen. I couldn't live with it and I had only noticed it like 5 minutes after I turned the comp on. Somehow I had the idea that pressing on the screen in the affected area would work. Of course, it didn't... Even still I kept on trying and OMG, the dead/stuck pixel got fixed. Every pixel has been fine since then for 2 years.

This topic reminded me about dead pixels and I hope to God that my new 20" doesn't have any... I don't wanna try that pushing on the screen thing again.
Yeah... now that you mention it, my highly
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post #45 of 76
Once I found out it was using the LG/Philips panel, I wondered about the Benq FP231W which is the same thing. I work in a computer store here in Australia and can source it for wholesale pricing which makes it ~$500 Australian cheaper!

Plus it has better connections (DVI out of the box instead of buying the adapter for ~$200 Australian). So, in the longrun, $~700 cheaper!

I will post once I have it

post #46 of 76
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Originally posted by anthony256
Plus it has better connections (DVI out of the box instead of buying the adapter for ~$200 Australian).

No adapter is necessary anymore with the new Cinemas, if that's what you meant.
post #47 of 76
Very nice screens boys and girls... Curse you all !

*runs away sobbing dreaming of a 20 or 23 connected to his pbook*
post #48 of 76
A small request for anyone with those new displays:

Would you mind taking some shots of it, but at an angle of about 45° to the side, and vertically, just so we can see their colour and brightness at those angles?

Thanks. m.
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post #49 of 76
Merovingian --

If I wasn't a little durnk right now I would...but I can tell you that the viewing angle on these things is great. Tilting at 45 right now and there is a *slight* drop in brightness...but color does not change at all. And the brightness drop really is *slight*...I should mention I have to turn DOWN my monitor because it's TOO bright on the high setting.
post #50 of 76
Quote:
Originally posted by mefull
All those pics look so damm amazing!
I WANT one.
I am curious on how many people have any dead pixels - and if you could take it back if it did.
Anyone know what the return policy would be on that. I guess a place like Fry's would have a no questions return policy, probably apple too?
Anyone know for sure?


dude, you are in san diego
so just drive down to frys on aero drive or the one
in san marcos
they dont have the new displays as yet but i asked the manager about their policy & they dont make you run around in circles like the fashion valley apple store.
i dont think frys will let you open it prior but they will
take it back without the 15% restock bs

or do what i did the first time around
order from mac wherehouse (i got a 15" pbook)
ask them to check display prior to shipping
or else you can reverse charges if using a credit card
& refuse the pkg

yes its a superb display & since its a lot of dough
they shouldnt be any dead pixels on it
im suprised people let apple get away with such shoddy
customer practices.
however they will realize it sooner or later if they
try to make a serious push for the corporate business market
They make great products, now all they need is good service
post #51 of 76
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally posted by Merovingian
A small request for anyone with those new displays:

Would you mind taking some shots of it, but at an angle of about 45° to the side, and vertically, just so we can see their colour and brightness at those angles?

Sigh. Work, work, work.


There is no variation in color or brightness unless you're at an extreme angle. This is a big improvement over my PowerBook display.
post #52 of 76
I hate to sound needy but can you please keep the super awesome images of those droolworthy 23" displays coming? Even users of the 20" are welcome to post too!
post #53 of 76
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Originally posted by JMoney
Even users of the 20" are welcome to post too!

Yeah, you poor folk with your measly 20", $1,299 monitors can post too!

Actually, I logged on hoping to see one of those...by the way, does the Apple logo glow and/or pulse on these monitors - in the first photo it almost appears so. I wondered if it was like the on-switch on the previous generation monitors.
post #54 of 76
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Originally posted by iDave
Sigh. Work, work, work.

(cut pics out)

There is no variation in color or brightness unless you're at an extreme angle. This is a big improvement over my PowerBook display.

those desktops look like they go together for a dual setup--could you post them?

ps--i'll post my display pics soon
post #55 of 76
Thread Starter 
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Originally posted by SerpentFruit
...by the way, does the Apple logo glow and/or pulse on these monitors - in the first photo it almost appears so. I wondered if it was like the on-switch on the previous generation monitors.

No, the bezel is brushed aluminum except for the Apple logo which is shiny aluminum. If there's a light source behind you as you look at it, the logo can appear as though it's lit. The only light on the display frame is the tiny sleep light which is on only when the display is asleep. It doesn't pulse like the sleep lights on PowerBooks and iBooks.
post #56 of 76
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Originally posted by ipodandimac
those desktops look like they go together for a dual setup--could you post them?

Not sure what you mean by posting them. If you'd like to send email, perhaps I could send them to you directly.
post #57 of 76
Man...these things are sick!!!

Any rich person wanna donate money to the poor? (i.e. me)
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post #58 of 76
These 23" monitors look awesome. Thanks for all the pics.

How does everyone feel about the actual use of the monitors? Do you have to sit farther back? What about moving the mouse from one side to the other? I have been using an 19" CRT and was looking at either the 20" or 23" apple displays. Can't decide if 23" is too big.
post #59 of 76
As long as we're talking about those flat panels, I have something of a newbie question. How do the USB and firewire ports work? Specifically, what is the interface between the monitor and computer?

With 2 USB and 2 Firewire ports on the monitor, are you only actually netting one extra port because the back of the monitor plugs into a USB and Firewire port on the back of the computer? Are these ports powered?

I hope this isn't a RTFM situation, but I remember looking at the Apple site and not seeing much info on how the setup works. Thanks.
post #60 of 76
Other comments/questions about these monitors:

Comparison of Apple 17" LCD (first) with new LCD's:



Brightness 200 250+
Contrast 350 400
Pixel Pitch 0.258
viewing Angle 170 170

Its unfortuante the warranty is limited to one year unless you buy with a computer, in which case AppleCare can be purchased. For upgraders, this can be an issue at these prices. I have often thought that Apple needs to be more generous with product warranties to better compete with pc-makers.
post #61 of 76
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Originally posted by Leppo
With 2 USB and 2 Firewire ports on the monitor, are you only actually netting one extra port because the back of the monitor plugs into a USB and Firewire port on the back of the computer? Are these ports powered?

Yes, the display has a Firewire cable and a USB cable that plug into the ports on your PC. You actually have one less USB port than with the old displays.

I would be interested in knowing if there are powered USB/Firewire hubs in the new models (the hub in the old ones was powered but through the ADC power connector). Can someone with a new display clarify?
post #62 of 76
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Originally posted by a10t2
I would be interested in knowing if there are powered USB/Firewire hubs in the new models (the hub in the old ones was powered but through the ADC power connector). Can someone with a new display clarify?

Yes, both the USB and Firewire ports on the new Cinema Displays are powered. My USB floppy drive which requires a powered hub works, as does my bus powered Firewire hard drive. It's true though, there is a net gain of only one extra of each port, since one of each on the computer is used by the display connections.
post #63 of 76
Quote:
Originally posted by iDave
It's true though, there is a net gain of only one extra of each port, since one of each on the computer is used by the display connections.

Yep, that's what I suspected. Thanks for your answers, guys.
post #64 of 76
Woohoo... my turn to join the club!

post #65 of 76
Quote:
Originally posted by a10t2
Woohoo... my turn to join the club!


Looking good!

Is the 17" Studio Display the only model with such a black stripe around the panel? I have the 20" cinema and it doesn't have such a thing. Those 17" at my school have them.
post #66 of 76
Quote:
Originally posted by Maccaroni
Is the 17" Studio Display the only model with such a black stripe around the panel? I have the 20" cinema and it doesn't have such a thing. Those 17" at my school have them.

AFAIK they all have them. I know that the 22" ACD had it and I'm pretty sure the 20/23s did as well. It isn't actually black but metallic.
post #67 of 76
a10t2:
Where did you find that desktop picture?
Could you please post a link where I can downlaod your desktop picture.
post #68 of 76
hi guys, congrats to all you 23" owners.

Mine is reserved for me at my reseller, waiting for the g5 2.5 to arrive. But I have a few questions, concerning the slew of posts from people complaining about a pink color issue on the new 23" acd.

I never saw one myself, until today, I checked out my reseller which had both of them on display (20" & 23"), and I first looked at the 23", didn't notice the pink effect, at least, I knew I was looking for pink stuff, so maybe I was a bit influenced, but when I went ahead and saw the 20", I must say it's quite a difference, especially viewable in the finder, with the metal borders. The 20" is perfectly grey, while the 23" is pinkish.

Though, some posters say calibrating it, and not using the default profile, helps solve the issue, while others say it comes back after a while.

I may go to the store again, and ask them to place them according to each other, and try to calibrate the 23" so it matches the 20". I hope they do that.

In the meantime, could you post your experiences with this issue?

thx!
post #69 of 76
I have a question about the 23" displays. How long are the cables? If I wanted to put my G5 under my desk heresy I know and then mounted the display to a wall mount I have a fear the cables would be come quite constrained.


Thank you for any reply in advance.

Johnny
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Sorry about the bad pictures. \ The 23" display is absolutely amazing! 8) It's so big coming from a 15" iMac @ 1024x768 I had to get use to sitting further back so I wouldn't drowned in the display.
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post #71 of 76
I found that you can place the display and tower about 4.5 to 5 feet away with the cable.. I wonder if you could get a longer one or an extender sense the cable is attached to the display itself? Correct me if I'm wrong.
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post #72 of 76
OH...MY...GOD... after seeing those pics... i must have one... i have never been turned on more in my life lol

guys i think you should just post as many pics as possible! and does anyone have a 20" display they can post pics of? if i get one im probably going to go wiht the 20 incher
post #73 of 76
They're wonderfull !
Does anyone have an idea how well the new 23" (and 20") compare to the previous displays in terms of color(accuracy) and brightness ? Are they (even) better suited for print then the transparant series ?
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post #74 of 76
The new ones are quite a bit brighter and I believe have a higher contrast ratio.

20" Old: Contrast Ratio = 350:1 Brigthness = 230cd/m2
20" New: Contrast Ratio = 400:1 Brightness = 250cd/m2

So the new 20s have a slight improvement.

23" Old: Contrast Ratio = 350:1 Brigthness = 200cd/m2
23" New: Contrast Ratio = 400:1 Brightness = 270cd/m2

So the new 23s have quite an improvement on brightness and a slight improvement on contrast ratio.. anyone care to explain the numbers?

They are all 16.7 million colors and have a pixel pitch of 0.258mm and a 170º horizontal and vertical viewing angle.



I remember looking at the old 20s and comparing to the 23s and the 20s were much brighter so I'm guessing 70cd/m2 makes a very big difference.
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oops... make boo boo
post #76 of 76
Wow, blast from the past!
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