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Planned Parenthood is selling these t-shirts:



It seems odd to me. No one thinks abortion is a cool thing, even if you're pro-choice. I could see a t-shirt saying "I'm pro-choice," but I can't imagine anyone actually wearing one of these things outside of a NARAL rally.
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I'll be posting the link for my "Your mom should have had an abortion" shirts soon.

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post #4 of 101
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...the link for my "Your mom should have had an abortion" shirts...

Yes! I want!

Don't know if you're serious, but that's a cool idea.
Kind of like one I thought of (that I'm sure exists somewhere) which involves putting someone's face that you don't like on a complete roll of toilet paper.
post #5 of 101
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Originally posted by BRussell
Planned Parenthood is selling these t-shirts:



It seems odd to me. No one thinks abortion is a cool thing, even if you're pro-choice. I could see a t-shirt saying "I'm pro-choice," but I can't imagine anyone actually wearing one of these things outside of a NARAL rally.

I think some people DO think abortion is a cool thing. I think there is pro-choice, pro-life...and then pro-abortion.
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post #6 of 101
I like them.

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Among many items offered in the Planned Parenthood Federation of America (PPFA) online store is this T-shirt with the message, I had an abortion. This shirt was not created by PPFA, but we do offer it in our store.

The T-shirt delivers a message that is intended to confront and subvert the sense of shame surrounding abortion that has been so deliberately created by the anti-choice movement. "I had an abortion" is a statement that breaks a silence, and not a cavalier declaration.

One in three women will have an abortion by the time they are 45, yet abortion remains an unspoken reality in our society. For some women the choice to terminate a pregnancy is a decision they wish to keep private, while others want to share their experiences in order to let other women know that there is nothing shameful about exercising the right to choose abortion. The T-shirt is thus a way for women to take ownership of their personal experiences and to communicate their stories. We believe it is particularly important to help women do so now in the current political climate, when reproductive rights are under unprecedented attack and honest, open discourse is so desperately needed.

The anti-choice movement never yields in publicly discussing abortion. As part of their rhetoric, many anti-choice activists declare that they had abortions. Their motive is to place a scarlet letter in our minds and then to re-criminalize abortion; ours is to spark discussion and cast off shame.

Women who have abortions are the same women who have children, and they make both of those decisions with thought and heart and moral deliberation.

As an organization, Planned Parenthood does more to prevent unintended pregnancy and the need for abortion than any other group. Our belief that every pregnancy should be a wanted pregnancy and every child a wanted child is the very core of our mission. Reproductive rights and the ability to control one's own fertility are fundamental human rights. Our goal in selling this T-shirt is to remind people that abortion policy affects real people and that guaranteeing safe and legal abortion is critical to our rights and our health.

Anti-choice forces have never worked harder to shame women into silence about the realities of their lives. It is our duty to empower women who wish to share their experience with the venues to do so free from the stigma, prejudice, and censorship others wish to impose.
post #7 of 101
I'd like a "You shouldn't have gotten pregnant in the first place, you whore."
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I think it would be funny if they made that shirt for guys.

But for a girl to wear that shirt.... I can just see violence around the corner
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post #9 of 101
I think it's tasteless and damages the pro-choice movement.
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post #10 of 101
This is disgusting. Planned Parenthood is a horrid organization. They promote immorality and the murder of babies. We protest one of their places a few times a month. They are just disgusting.
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post #11 of 101
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I'd like a "You shouldn't have gotten pregnant in the first place, you whore."

how 'bout "put a condom on your penis you irresponsible piece of shit"
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how 'bout "put a condom on your penis you irresponsible piece of shit"

Yeah, but that has less shock value. Maybe I'll sell both shirts.

How bout "A condom's cheaper than an abortion"
post #13 of 101
How about, "provide thorough sex education in schools and easy access to a variety of cheap contraceptives, you ignorant slut!" (actual size of text on t-shirt)
post #14 of 101
Look at all these great shirt ideas! Who's designing the website and what percent of the total revenue do I get?

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post #15 of 101
they could be as big as the wham! and "frankie says" shirts of the eighties!
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Originally posted by BRussell
Planned Parenthood is selling these t-shirts:



It seems odd to me. No one thinks abortion is a cool thing, even if you're pro-choice. I could see a t-shirt saying "I'm pro-choice," but I can't imagine anyone actually wearing one of these things outside of a NARAL rally.

that is really repugnant and thouroughly discredits pro-choice stance. . . . what is worse if the notion in the rhetoric that accompanies the shirt that makes it seem that an abortion is something that someone should not be ashamed of . . . . OF COURSE you should BE ASHAMED if you had an abortion . . . it isn't something to sing songs of joy about!!!!
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post #17 of 101
You shouldn't be ashamed if you've had an abortion. Should you be ashamed if you had a kidney removed? Or a tumor? Or gall stones? Should you be ashamed if you had botox injections to remove wrinkles?

You should be content with your life.
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[tyler durden]... but we're not.[/tyler durden]
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Originally posted by bunge
You shouldn't be ashamed if you've had an abortion. Should you be ashamed if you had a kidney removed? Or a tumor? Or gall stones? Should you be ashamed if you had botox injections to remove wrinkles?

You should be content with your life.

That's absurd . . . to equate the possibility of bringing a life into the world with a kidney

Come on people!! I'm pro-choice, even though I hate the idea of abortion . . . though women that I have known have had to have them, I would vote for trying to raise the child when possible.

What's shameful is that someone lacks the imagination to make room for what is the closest thing to a miracle that we can think of, That they can't imagine that their life can expand and that they can make room ( a Mexican saying says: "the child comes with a loaf of bread under its arm" -meaning that you will be amazed at what can be done when the child arrives) it is shameful that they fuucked without thinking about the profundity of sex and were completely unwilling to accept the seriousness of the consequences . . .

The way some of you think that it is like getting a zit clean, or a mole removed makes me absolutely question the pro-choice stance that I hold . . . is it that shallow for most people? Do they really think it is just another painful trip to the doctor? Do they think of it as just another option for birth control?

HUman existence is serious stuff!! This is it! its as serious as it gets! . . . treating it like fluff is sickening.
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post #20 of 101
It's threads like these and the responses within that makes me wish more women posted on these forums. What would they have to say about the notion of mandatory disgrace, shame, and guilt that many male posters insist must accompany all abortions? I don't believe in that. I don't believe that's the way it should be, especially in an environment without easy access to a variety of cheap or free contraceptives-- and one with poor or inconsistent sex education about one's choices. That's the real shame. I'm sure many of my left-leaning but anti-t-shirt friends would agree.
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It's threads like these and the responses within that makes me wish more women posted on these forums. What would they have to say about the notion of mandatory disgrace, shame, and guilt that many male posters insist must accompany all abortions? I don't believe in that. I don't believe that's the way it should be, especially in an environment without easy access to a variety of cheap or free contraceptives-- and one with poor or inconsistent sex education about one's choices. That's the real shame. I'm sure many of my left-leaning but anti-t-shirt friends would agree.

You don't get it . . . men feel ashamed as well when their partner kills a potential child.

What do you think an abortion is? . . some kind of political litmus test? I would seriously question any woman's humanity if she felt nothing after an abortion. . . and I would doubt her sanity if she felt proud of it.

And as for your humanity, shawnj, I simply chalk it up to lack of experience and lack of years.
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post #22 of 101
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Originally posted by pfflam
The way some of you think that it is like getting a zit clean, or a mole removed makes me absolutely question the pro-choice stance that I hold . . . is it that shallow for most people? Do they really think it is just another painful trip to the doctor? Do they think of it as just another option for birth control?

It doesn't matter because it's their choice, not yours or mine. If you're pro-choice, then you agree to let someone make that choice for themselves regardless. It's not your place to judge and the fact that you do implies that in fact you're not pro-choice. Your way or the highway. That's unacceptable to me.
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post #23 of 101
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You don't get it . . . men feel ashamed as well when their partner kills a potential child.

What do you think an abortion is? . . some kind of political litmus test? I would seriously question any woman's humanity if she felt nothing after an abortion. . . and I would doubt her sanity if she felt proud of it.

And as for your humanity, shawnj, I simply chalk it up to lack of experience and lack of years.

And I chalk your opinion up to being a stodgy old man? Although I nearly always agree with what you have to say (even when I don't want to-- like your upsetting but observant review of "lost in translation"), our views sharply diverge here. I'm certainly up for debate, but my age and perceived experience is not. So drop it.

Still, I understand what you're saying-- generally the other half feels the affects of an abortion, too. And I agree. I don't agree that it's necessarily shame. But my point was that *maybe* women would have something different to say about what some men tell her she should or rather *must* feel.

And as far as a "political litmus test"-- no-- I don't know if that's an accurate description. I understand the diversity of viewpoints about reproductive rights even on the left, and I don't think everyone Must Accept My View. My point was that a lot of the people who have similar views as me should agree that a system that exacerbates rather than mitigates the number of abortions is the real shame-- or the greater problem.

That's my view. Why? Because it's unnecessary and preventable. As long as we live in a system that punishes working mothers-- that doesn't guarantee health care or a right to a living wage-- that doesn't provide the contraceptives and education I talked about--a whole host of reasons, really-- women shouldn't necessarily feel shamed. It's more complex than that-- and I think you know this.
post #24 of 101
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Abortions are awful. That's what's wrong with these shirts. That doesn't mean they shouldn't be safe and legal. It seems to me that that's the whole premise of a liberal philosophy: that even if you don't like something, you come down on the side of individual liberties.

There are so many examples - I hate Howard Stern. His show is the biggest piece of crap I've ever seen in my life. But I'm against censorship laws. I'll be honest, the thought of two men having sex really creeps me out. It must just be biologically programmed or something. Yet making it illegal creeps me out much more. Etc., etc.

The social conservatives are against things on an emotional level, and so they want them to be illegal. It's a gut-level reaction. Liberals use their neo-cortices and reason through the implications, despite any emotional reactions. But we don't have to like the things just because we support freedom to do them. That's what's wrong with this shirt, that it implies it's a good thing on an emotional level.
post #25 of 101
Again, many women have positive experiences with abortion. For a little more literature on that note, read the following article in The Nation: We're Not Sorry, Charlie. Frankly, I don't blame them.
post #26 of 101
I want a shirt that says "I had a medical procedure many people oppose."
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post #27 of 101
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That article says it's a "sad and stressful" thing, which I'm sure is exactly right. It then says the women don't regret it, because it wasn't the right time for them to have a baby, which I'm sure is also right. But that's kind of the distinction I was making between rational vs. emotional.

A few years ago, my family had to take my mom off life support, because she was breathing only with the use of a machine, and she had a living will saying not to keep her on it. I'm sure it was the most difficult thing my dad ever had to do. I get teary-eyed thinking about it right now. It was the right thing to do, and yet it was awful, and I can't imagine wearing a t-shirt proclaiming it.
post #28 of 101
I'm sorry about your mom. But the social stigma attached to removing life support is not nearly the same as the stigma attached to abortion. That's the reason for wearing the shirt- to subvert and confront the stigma. I'm sure most generally are sympathetic to your situation, with a few notable exceptions. Here, clearly, it's the other way around.

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post #29 of 101
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Originally posted by ShawnJ
I'm sorry about your mom. But the social stigma attached to removing life support is not nearly the same as the stigma attached to abortion. That's the reason for wearing the shirt- to subvert and confront the stigma. I'm sure most generally are sympathetic to your situation, with a few notable exceptions. Here, clearly, it's the other way around.

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That's probably true. And to the extent a shirt like that could reduce stigma, I suppose it would be a good thing. But I'm not sure it does reduce stigma, I think it trivializes the issue in a crass way.

To use another example, what about wearing an "I was raped" t-shirt. Rape victims are stigmatized, and it would be good to reduce that stigma. Some people have said that not publishing the names of rape victims serves to further stigmatize them. So sometimes on shows like Oprah women go on and talk about it. But wouldn't a t-shirt be ridiculous and horrible? I could imagine and respect someone going on TV to talk about having an abortion, to reduce the stigma. But to put it on a t-shirt just seems to trivialize it.

I'm not trying to say that women are bad for having abortions, or that they should be stigmatized. I guess it just seems like a very difficult and highly personal issue, and putting it on a t-shirt, the home of American commercialism, just seems in bad taste.
post #30 of 101
Good points-- all of them. I think I agree.
post #31 of 101
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Originally posted by BRussell
That's probably true. And to the extent a shirt like that could reduce stigma, I suppose it would be a good thing. But I'm not sure it does reduce stigma, I think it trivializes the issue in a crass way.

But that's good too. Free flow of information. If everybody knew everything, there would be nothing to hide.

The fact that some people here want a woman to hide this information scares me most.
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post #32 of 101
I like the t-shirt.

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I'd like a "You shouldn't have gotten pregnant in the first place, you whore."

Tell that to a rapist.
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Ah, t-shirthell.com.
post #34 of 101
Do the t-shirt say

Yahoooooo. I just did my first ABORTION. Kiss me


No. it states a fact. It tells that you shouldn´t be ashamed or lie about it. It doesnt brag about it.

To say people should hide it is a little bit shameful is like telling a homosexual to tone down their sexuality and please dont wear that multicoloured badge because we don´t like to be reminded that your type exists, although we fully respect your sexuality on the intellectual plan.

I dont like the idea of an abortion either and would like to make sure that the conditions that needed to avoid one was available to the mother. But the choice isn´t mine and in the end I cannot question the decision because I am not in her shoe. And to hide it because its a little bit shameful is to say the woman made a wrong decision.
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post #35 of 101
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Originally posted by Anders
Do the t-shirt say

Yahoooooo. I just did my first ABORTION. Kiss me


No. it states a fact. It tells that you shouldn´t be ashamed or lie about it. It doesnt brag about it.

To say people should hide it is a little bit shameful is like telling a homosexual to tone down their sexuality and please dont wear that multicoloured badge because we don´t like to be reminded that your type exists, although we fully respect your sexuality on the intellectual plan.

I dont like the idea of an abortion either and would like to make sure that the conditions that needed to avoid one was available to the mother. But the choice isn´t mine and in the end I cannot question the decision because I am not in her shoe. And to hide it because its a little bit shameful is to say the woman made a wrong decision.

I don't care to know about strangers' sexual orientations either. How about this, Anders and bunge, why don't you two post your real name and address in here, and describe all of the most personal issues about yourself - who you've had sex with, how often you masturbate, whether you're circumcised, and any other info of that nature. And why don't you wear a t-shirt that says some of those things.
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I don't care to know about strangers' sexual orientations either. How about this, Anders and bunge, why don't you two post your real name and address in here, and describe all of the most personal issues about yourself - who you've had sex with, how often you masturbate, whether you're circumcised, and any other info of that nature. And why don't you wear a t-shirt that says some of those things.

Are you sure you don´t have it the other way around? One thing is if I want to expose my sexual habits, another thing is whether I should be ashamed to do so.

I don´t demand that everybody who had an abortion should wear a sign saying so. But those who wear one shouldn´t be stigmazied. There is nothing to be ashamed of.
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We protest one of their [Planned Parenthood] places a few times a month.

Really? What do these protests involve?
post #38 of 101
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Originally posted by pfflam
OF COURSE you should BE ASHAMED if you had an abortion

I don't see how you can make a statement like this and then claim to be pro-choice. If you believe abortion to be a shameful thing, don't have one. Don't assume the responsibility of telling people how they should feel based on your beliefs.
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Are you sure you don´t have it the other way around? One thing is if I want to expose my sexual habits, another thing is whether I should be ashamed to do so.

But that's really what I'm talking about. Why wouldn't you want to expose them? The reason you wouldn't want to expose them is that they're private and personal, and other people just don't need to know about it. Just like abortion. Masturbation is natural and normal and everyone does it, and yet I can't believe you wouldn't think it was strange and silly if someone wore a shirt proclaiming that they do it.
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Originally posted by pfflam
The way some of you think that it is like getting a zit clean, or a mole removed makes me absolutely question the pro-choice stance that I hold . . . is it that shallow for most people? Do they really think it is just another painful trip to the doctor? Do they think of it as just another option for birth control?

Some do. One person I know had an abortion a few years ago and it appeared to mean very little to her. Going on outward appearances alone, she seemed to regard it as an inconvenience. I don't know her personal thoughts on the matter.

Another person I know had an abortion when she was quite young and regrets it to this day. She knows that there would have been no way that she could have provided for a child, but her decision still saddens her.
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