Originally posted by applenut
give me a fucking break. everywhere on this forum you've shown to be a well reasoned poster but in this thread you've just been a prick.
if i didn't recognize those advantages, the advantages of a mac, i wouldn't be a mac user. you're wasting your time preaching to the choir yet you keep doing it.
Because the choir keeps veering off into this bizarre idea that 'a comparable machine' can be had for a lot less. The machine is more than the hardware. You *know* this... and yet you, and a lot of people in here, are going to keep making ridiculous statements about 'comparable' machines. Yeah, you *bet* I can go get comparable *hardware* for less. No dispute there. But the very advantages that make you a Mac user are the ones you're paying for, and you'd stop and think about it for a minute, you'd realize how silly the 'comparable machine for less' stance really is.
hmurchison said 1300 was cheap and "not a big deal" i was disputing that. 1300 is a big deal. you want to pick on one phrase in a post and ignore all the rest which I can only assume you can't dispute than fine.
Ah, but that one phrase is the crux of your argument, isn't it?
If one could *not* find comparable *hardware* for less, then you wouldn't be even attempting the position. But the hardware *can* be had for less... it's just the most important bits that would be missing. There's where the argument breaks down. Price only matters in a relative manner... $1300 would be dirt cheap 10 years ago, but *today's* market, with *today's* machines make that look pricey, from a strictly hardware POV. Once you start considering the entire machine, which is, after all, what one buys, then the arguments starts to break down.
'A comparable machine' cannot be found for a lot less, once the entirety of hardware, OS, security, stability, apps, technologies and usability is taken into consideration. It's just that simple. I actually care much less about the platform brand than what it can do for me. If you can, seriously, point me to an alternative, I'll take a look. Nothing I've seen comes close.
As to $1300 (or any amount) being pricey, or not, for a given family and their financial situation, that's up to the family to decide. I'm certainly not going to make any blankets statements regarding the absolute value of a monetary amount to a particular situation. For *me* $1300 is over a month's wages, so yeah, it's pricey as hell. For others, not so much. *shrug*
You can get similar offerings for less. You can get a PC with a DVD burner for less. You can get a PC that will last longer than that iMac for less. No, things are as "secure, integrated, or have the same level of usability" yet 95% of the population uses them and doesn't use the solution that is all those things according to you.
You look at everything from a very bias point of view.
You're right, I do. I look at the entire package for what it does for me, how it lets me work, and what I *don't* have to do to keep it running. You're absolutely right that that's a minority view... it's a more holistic and informed view than the majority of the population who are going to make ignorant choices based on what is shoved down their throat as 'necessary' by the specwhores of the world.
Simply put, I'll take a slower but more enabling machine any day. In the end, that's all that matters... what it can do for me. Not the specs in a vacuum.