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I'd think that if they provided good enough deals on iMac headless + a decent monitor, people would get the monitor if they needed it, and maybe even if they didn't need it. :-)
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That's great for the consumer but it does nothing for Apple and its shareholders.

Going from %100 attach rates on LCDs to even %70 means that Apple now has to sell more Macs to cover the revenue loss.

Drop an item's cost by %75 you have to increase sales %400.

Drop an item's cost by %30 you have to increase sales %200

That's a tough order folks. We all want cheaper computers but will these price cuts have a corresponding large spike in sales? History is not on our side. The last major computing spike for Apple was the original iMac. Surprise! An all in one that many despise. The last Headless Mac? Suprise! The Cube which failed miserably even when it dropped to $1299.
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post #442 of 698
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That's great for the consumer but it does nothing for Apple and its shareholders.

Going from %100 attach rates on LCDs to even %70 means that Apple now has to sell more Macs to cover the revenue loss.

Drop an item's cost by %75 you have to increase sales %400.

Drop an item's cost by %30 you have to increase sales %200

Yeah, but nothing would prevent Apple to overcharge for the base unit, and they'd do it anyways. Ignoring that, I think that something does Apple need to sacrifice, in order to stop market share from spiraling down.

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Originally posted by hmurchison The last Headless Mac? Suprise! The Cube which failed miserably even when it dropped to $1299.

That's because a headless machine with crappy specs at $1299 is expensive an undesirable. The cube was not the last headless mac. It was the last headless mac targeted at consumers, and it failed because it didn't have anything to offer (low price was one of those missing offerings), besides just being headless and GPU upgradeable.
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Now here's someone who's hit the nail right on the head! Apple is in the best position they've been in for ages to grow market share and what are they doing? From what I can see they're doig zilch to capitalise on their current successes.

I'm sure they could produce an affordable headless G5 that could be upgraded but why the heck won't they?

Hey Steve! Give us a decent, upgradeable, headless G5 PLEASE!!?

They were in the same position a few years ago, and created a CUBE. A Lot of people in here wanted a headless Mac, but very few actually came through on the purchase.

Apple does not want to repeat history all over again.
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post #444 of 698
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That's because a headless machine with crappy specs at $1299 is expensive an undesirable. The cube was not the last headless mac. It was the last headless mac targeted at consumers, and it failed because it didn't have anything to offer (low price was one of those missing offerings), besides just being headless and GPU upgradeable.

That's precisely my point. The cube was 450Mhz and competitive with the rest of the line in speed. It was GPU and CPU upgradable. It was nigh silent as well. It failed. Just as a headless Mac today even with GPU upgradability would fail. Consumer are far too conditioned to thinking that a Tower means power and upgradability.
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I actually agree with hmurchison...most people have financial management problems. If someone really wanted and cared for a good computer, they could shave a couple hundred dollars here and there to buy a Mac...a small sacrifice, IMO.

Yes, but from his perspective, why should he? This hypothetical customer probably wants a lot of things he can't easily afford, not just a good computer. Why shouldn't he "shave a couple hundred dollars" by buying a PC instead of a Mac so that he can pay for a vacation or something else on his wish list?
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Originally posted by hmurchison
That's precisely my point. The cube was 450Mhz and competitive with the rest of the line in speed. It was GPU and CPU upgradable. It was nigh silent as well. It failed. Just as a headless Mac today even with GPU upgradability would fail. Consumer are far too conditioned to thinking that a Tower means power and upgradability.

It was perceived as fast as, or slower than the iMac (450 Mhz G4 vs, 500 Mhz G3), and it was more expensive, and of course didn't include any monitor (and the 15" Studio Displays were really expensive. Did you even get a rebate if you purchased it with a Cube?), so the total purchase was much more expensive than the iMac. It just wasn't the sweet deal it could've been.
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Yes, but from his perspective, why should he? This hypothetical customer probably wants a lot of things he can't easily afford, not just a good computer. Why shouldn't he "shave a couple hundred dollars" by buying a PC instead of a Mac so that he can pay for a vacation or something else on his wish list?

That's exactly my point. People want to fund their other desires by pressuring Apple to lower its pricing. Every company faces this. Apple tries to make people see the value of the Macintosh brand. If they fail to do that then they're happy with their efforts and should that person buy a PC that is the way the ball bounces.

Apple is a premium brand. Whoring their product does nothing for the name. Just like cloning diminished the platform so does trying to compete with the conformity that is the PC landscape.

Microsoft almost did it. They almost sowed the whole market up but this industry does't want a monolithic standard. Linux will continue to make inroads from the Server down. Microsoft in 10 years will not be as powerful as today. A vibrant computer industry has many players and open standards in which to share information. Microsoft is an anathema to this.

Apple will always be the boutique brand of computing. I think Apple moving into the consumer electronics place is good thing. Look for Apple to eventually attend CES every year to market their wares. Look for more US IT companies to encroach into Asian strongholds and take marketshare. China builds'em cheap for everyone so the winners will be the cool designs. The Mac has had its day. Apple will seek new areas to generate revenue but they know chasing PC pricing is folly.
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post #448 of 698
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Originally posted by hmurchison
That's precisely my point. The cube was 450Mhz and competitive with the rest of the line in speed. It was GPU and CPU upgradable. It was nigh silent as well. It failed. Just as a headless Mac today even with GPU upgradability would fail. Consumer are far too conditioned to thinking that a Tower means power and upgradability.

I really wouldn't hold that up as your shining great example. The cube was a really great example of how Apple could take a great idea and shoot themselves in the foot with it. Even Apple admitted to pricing it wrong.

Again though it was basically a low form factor desktop (think laptop in a desktop box almost). That sort of design adds too much cost.

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post #449 of 698
To me, the current and rumored new iMac suffer from the same pricing conundrum as the Cube. The Cube had to be sandwiched between the iMac and the PowerMac. So since the SE iMacs at the time were so popular, and there was so much pressure to push the PowerMacs to "less than" $2000 ($1999, that is), the Cube got caught in the high teens. The current and future iMac is stuck between the eMac which tops out at $1200 and the PowerMac which is still $1999 at the base config. People who want a $999 iMac should be willing to dump the eMac, or leaving it only for the education market.

Having said that, I do think Apple is a little too insistent on having absolutely no overlap in their lines though. Having the low-end iMac dip just below the price of the high-end eMac might not be so bad, the differences would have to be pronounced enough so that the buyer can make an informed decision.

It occured to me that I've just paid over $1000 for a new TV, and paid about that much for a digital camera. TVs in particular are really expensie and people seem willing to pay for it. How upside is this world when people expect their most versatile and powerful piece of electronics to be their cheapest too? It's kind of crazy to complain about Mac prices being high, when I could have bought another Mac with the same resolution, more power, more features and a better experience than my new Samsung? People must have different priorities.
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It occured to me that I've just paid over $1000 for a new TV, and paid about that much for a digital camera. TVs in particular are really expensie and people seem willing to pay for it. How upside is this world when people expect their most versatile and powerful piece of electronics to be their cheapest too? It's kind of crazy to complain about Mac prices being high, when I could have bought another Mac with the same resolution, more power, more features and a better experience than my new Samsung? People must have different priorities.

It's the same reason that that has caused the average TV viewer to spend 5hrs a day. Many people are not thinkers. They work 8hrs a day and are mentally bushed. They come home and are willing to sit passively and watch TV.

They view computers are a glorfied typewriter in many cases. They don't see what makes Macintosh special and they have no desire to use iLife because, again, they are bushed and abhor thinking creatively.

I view the computer as a vital piece of my day. My broadband connection is a mall pittance to pay because the access I have grants me the ability to find exceptional deals on just about anything. I literally save money with my computer.

Someday I'm going to make a lot of money with my computers and that will change my whole value proposition. Spending $3000 won't seem like so much of a big deal then. I realize everyone's definition of value is different however and that's why we're discussing this on the boards.

Boy 5200fx or not I'm excited about seeing another generation of the iMac. Wives are going to love this thing.
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post #451 of 698
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Originally posted by hmurchison
Boy 5200fx or not I'm excited about seeing another generation of the iMac. Wives are going to love this thing.

Now that is an accurate statement.
post #452 of 698
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Originally posted by onlooker
They were in the same position a few years ago, and created a CUBE.

I disagree, OS X wasn't available(if memory serves it was first offered in 3/2001) and many people considered OS 9 unacceptable and not a true modern operating system. There was not the current level of notority from iTunes, iPods weren't released until the following year in October 2001. The Cube (offered in 7/2000) it did have upgradable GPU, however, it was/is not a standard size, extremely limiting available options. The Cube was more expensive than the iMac yet is was considered only slightly faster if not as fast as the iMac. And on top of that for virtually the same money( what's a couple hundred bucks amoungst us financially well managed Mac heads ), you could get a full blown tower

Apple was just coming out of the 18 month stall by Motorola and Intel and AMD were stoking the GHz wars. Many people had only disdain(mostly from FUD circulating) for the G4 and considered it some kind of novelty with Altivec. Security holes in Windows wasn't that big a concern for most Windows users as it is now.

If I've made mastakes in dates please feel free to correct me, I am getting old and the memory ain't what it used to be.
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post #453 of 698
Very well said, rickag.
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You're right, rickag.

Apple is in a far better position at this date and time than it was during the Cube years...when Moto was sucking wind on delivering faster than 500 MHz chips.
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Wow, all this fuss over an Apple consumer product. Can someone give me one example when Apple didnt make a crippled, crappy speced, barely modern consumer level computer? We have come to expect this from Apple and frankly I would probably go into shock if they deviated from this pattern, I dont by their general consumer targeted machines, I am a professional programmer and web designer, I only use Apples professional products because they happen to offer me the speed and features I need at a fair price. Unix, RISC, dual processor and none Intel, these are my requirements when purchasing a work machine. However they do not offer a home machine that I would even deem close to desirable. iBooks are cheaply built and slow and the iMac is too expensive and especially slow.

I agree with everyones complaints about the leaked specs of the future iMac, but we already knew what to except from Apple. If you cant afford the professional line from Apple dont bother, youll just get frustrated and you will get RIPPED OFF.
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post #456 of 698
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Originally posted by hmurchison
I literally save money with my computer.

Someday I'm going to make a lot of money with my computers and that will change my whole value proposition.



Although I bought my PB to use for music (location work), it gets used a great deal at the moment for the Internet too, just like everyone else. We'll be building a house in the next year, and by researching new building techniques, I reckon I've saved myself a good $35K already on what will be a c. $550K build. I'll be doing some of the design work on it too.

The PowerBook is such a pleasure to use on 10.3.5 that I'll happily sit for hours doing work like that instead of goofing off to the studio or picking up a guitar. So it's making me money every which way.
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Can someone give me one example when Apple didnt make a crippled, crappy speced, barely modern consumer level computer?

Sure: the original iMac. The only mildly disappointing spec was the Rage II video, but that was quickly updated to the Rage Pro.
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OMG fuzzylogic a $550k budget?? I envy you in the deepest shade of green known to man. Someday I'll build my own house and I too will be the General Contractor because I'm pretty good and finding deals when I need to. Good luck!!

Actually I happen to feel like I get ripped off buying PCs. Only sold on "bigger, better deal" but I get the same lame Operation System that pretty much lets any outside source modify my computer(spyware) whenever it wants. Or a browser that lets just about anyone usurp my internet search. I'm tired of dealing with these PC platform vagaries. Running Mac OS is serene by comparision. You don't fear installing apps. Look at how paranoid PC users that freak out at the idea of surfing the net without a firewall or virus program. Kinda speaks volumes doesn't it?
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Actually I happen to feel like I get ripped off buying PCs. Only sold on "bigger, better deal" but I get the same lame Operation System that pretty much lets any outside source modify my computer(spyware) whenever it wants. Or a browser that lets just about anyone usurp my internet search. I'm tired of dealing with these PC platform vagaries. Running Mac OS is serene by comparision. You don't fear installing apps. Look at how paranoid PC users that freak out at the idea of surfing the net without a firewall or virus program. Kinda speaks volumes doesn't it?

Have to respond to this because there's some FUD in here.

First, only MS OSs seem to be targeted for viruses / worms. You can always run Linux or one of the FreeBSD OSs. I was personally impressed by SuSE's Linux product for PCs.

Of course, this means you are limited in what software you can run, but this is the same on Mac. Although I say that Apple has the advantage here (vs. Linux).

If you run Internet Exploder and Virus Express, yes, you may infect your computer with unwanted code. You could choose to run any of the free alternatives out there (Mozilla / Firefox, Opera, etc.) and that would mitigate 90%+ chance of getting infected with unwanted code.

I run all my computers behind a hardware router. Easiest way to block unwanted attempts to infiltrate my computer. If you think that just because you run OS X you're protected then post your current IP address.

I don't fear installing apps on my home PC because I'm not downloading from P2P networks. Granted, viruses can and do sneak onto CDs from time to time, but this is a rarity.

I'm not some kind of crazy Windows defender (actually I feel a bit dirty typing this post ) but just because you're running Windows doesn't mean you're hanging out a "I'm available, hack me!" sign.
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Have to respond to this because there's some FUD in here.

First, only MS OSs seem to be targeted for viruses / worms. You can always run Linux or one of the FreeBSD OSs. I was personally impressed by SuSE's Linux product for PCs.

Of course, this means you are limited in what software you can run, but this is the same on Mac. Although I say that Apple has the advantage here (vs. Linux).

If you run Internet Exploder and Virus Express, yes, you may infect your computer with unwanted code. You could choose to run any of the free alternatives out there (Mozilla / Firefox, Opera, etc.) and that would mitigate 90%+ chance of getting infected with unwanted code.

I run all my computers behind a hardware router. Easiest way to block unwanted attempts to infiltrate my computer. If you think that just because you run OS X you're protected then post your current IP address.

I don't fear installing apps on my home PC because I'm not downloading from P2P networks. Granted, viruses can and do sneak onto CDs from time to time, but this is a rarity.

I'm not some kind of crazy Windows defender (actually I feel a bit dirty typing this post ) but just because you're running Windows doesn't mean you're hanging out a "I'm available, hack me!" sign.

This is true and I also am a fan of SuSE. The problem is it takes a conscious effort on the part of the person using tthe PC. I prowl several other boards and on a few game related ones there is a steady flow of threads started by people asking help/advice to get rid of virus/adware/spyware. Running OS X may not be perfection but it allows for the user to worry a good deal less about such things.

I have a PC at home I use for gaming. I built it myself and I ensure that Explorer is never used except to retrieve Windows updates. I never use P2P and aside from gaming the machine languishes unused and pretty safe overall.

The PC does require a good deal more vigilance to ensure safe troublefree use and if you can accept it then the PC is ok.
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First, only MS OSs seem to be targeted for viruses / worms. You can always run Linux or one of the FreeBSD OSs. I was personally impressed by SuSE's Linux product for PCs.

Isn't that tantamount to coming out of a movie that you thought would SUCK and saying. "It wasn't as bad as I thought".

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If you run Internet Exploder and Virus Express, yes, you may infect your computer with unwanted code. You could choose to run any of the free alternatives out there (Mozilla / Firefox, Opera, etc.) and that would mitigate 90%+ chance of getting infected with unwanted code.

I'm %90 Firefox and loving it baby! But there are always sites that do the unthinkable and go to IE favored sites(think allmusic.com and others) you have to keep IE on your PC and you will have to use it for some sites.

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I don't fear installing apps on my home PC because I'm not downloading from P2P networks. Granted, viruses can and do sneak onto CDs from time to time, but this is a rarity.

That's not taking a holistic view of the problem. P2P just has the nasty stuff but those cute little "Smiley's" and email effects programs load up data miners. My mother is a sucker for those because she doesn't realize that the reason why they are free is because they are selling her information.

Ok now let us summarize some points here

The PC buying experience

1. Buy your PC
2. Fill out the 30 mail in rebates and pray you get half.
3. Download Mozilla and Thunderbird.
4. Buy a router, Firewall and Virus App.
5. Turn off annoying services like Netsend so that you don't get harrassed by idiot PC companies abusing another MS technology.
6 Patch your XP with umpteen security updates. Reboot....reboot...reboot.
7 Download Picasa so that you can get a "real" photo manager and not some folder with crappy iconized pics on the cover.

YMMV

People what is your time worth? Do you really nitpick over your computer, watching what apps you use because they are a securit risks? I'm being told here by the "Mac Faithful" that OSX isn't good enough to mention and that this bland experience in XP is ok. Well I've had enough running my PCs for 3 years have left me bland. XP is like eating a Tofu dinner and washing it down with Soy.

You go ahead and save a few bucks to get your fill of the "Tofu and Soy". I'll pass and wait for the flavor.
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Ok now let us summarize some points here

The PC buying experience

1. Buy your PC
2. Fill out the 30 mail in rebates and pray you get half.
3. Download Mozilla and Thunderbird.
4. Buy a router, Firewall and Virus App.
5. Turn off annoying services like Netsend so that you don't get harrassed by idiot PC companies abusing another MS technology.
6 Patch your XP with umpteen security updates. Reboot....reboot...reboot.
7 Download Picasa so that you can get a "real" photo manager and not some folder with crappy iconized pics on the cover.


My Mac buying experience
1. Buy my laptop + 30GB iPod
2. Fill out student mail-in rebate for $200 off iPod.
Requires copy of student ID, school letterhead,
receipts, etc.
3. Download Firefox.
4. Already have router for home LAN and cable-modem
sharing.
5. Activate OS X firewall. Turn off all unused ports so I
don't get harassed by anyone period.
6. Download 10.3.3, 10.3.4, 10.3.5 + all security updates
inbetween Reboot, reboot, reboot (so much for long
uptimes)
7. Hope iPhoto 4.0.3 can finally open my 1K photo archive
in less than 5 minutes.

So, exactly what's different in your PC scenario? Software has bugs. People will hack your computer if you don't take precautions. You have to reboot after installing an OS update or security update. The smart person will use every possible defense against network intrusion. Software will require updating to eradicate said bugs.

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So, exactly what's different in your PC scenario?

Easy the end result is that with the PC you still have Tofu and Soy when you're done.

Also of note. You chose to download Firefox because you wanted to not because Safari is an egregious security risk. There is a difference.

Ever tried to manage 1k photos in a Windows folder? You might now be complaining about that 5 minutes anymore.


I'll close with

MyDoom, Lovesan, MSblast, Code Red, Sircam, Nimda, Melissa, Magister. Note the preponderance of virus that start with "M".

Again people have fun saving that $150. "Pennywise pound foolish" as I've always said.
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Hey man. I love Tofu, and Soy.
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http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?si...347214&tid=172

'Nuff said.

Exec summary: The average time from placing a pristine Windows box on the Internet to the point that it becomes infected is... 20 minutes.

Twenty. Minutes.
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http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?si...347214&tid=172

'Nuff said.

Exec summary: The average time from placing a pristine Windows box on the Internet to the point that it becomes infected is... 20 minutes.

Twenty. Minutes.

"unpatched, unprotected (windows) computers" To be fair. And like the people on Slashdot would be more then happy to tell you, there are more OS's out there on x86 then windows.
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Yes, but how do you get the patches for that Windows box?

The point is, that an out-of-the-box system, regardless of what OS it is running, should never be so frail that it can't survive *twenty freaking minutes* without a break in. I mean, that's just... insane.

Maybe SP2 will help that. I'd hope to god so, at least.

Firewalls in routers and such should be *secondary* lines of defense, not the only lines.
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Gotta love this take from Apple Turns regarding the 20 minute deal.
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Why is everyone so upset about the graphics card??? It's not like macs were designed to be good with graphics! iMacs are only really designed for text word processing..

If apple puts a sh*t card in the iMac f*CK 'EM. You have to be a retard to ship a computer crippled like that outta the box. Whoever makes those decision should be fired, even if it is Steve Jobs. $500 sh*t-in-the-box PCs come with better video cards AND DVD-burners.

maybe they distingusion the computers from low-end to high-end this way since Apple obviously can't do it with the processors.

I'm sooo annoyed with Apple right now.
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Why is everyone so upset about the graphics card??? It's not like macs were designed to be good with graphics! iMacs are only really designed for text word processing..

If apple puts a sh*t card in the iMac f*CK 'EM. You have to be a retard to ship a computer crippled like that outta the box. Whoever makes those decision should be fired, even if it is Steve Jobs. $500 sh*t-in-the-box PCs come with better video cards AND DVD-burners.

maybe they distingusion the computers from low-end to high-end this way since Apple obviously can't do it with the processors.

I'm sooo annoyed with Apple right now.

Are you retarded? Check out Dell's offerings and you'll see that there are many computers that have that exact graphics card for $1,000 to $1,299.

We dont even know the BTO options yet, so shut your fucking mouth. I'm sorry, but you just need to shut the fuck up. People don't buy Macs, they buy OS X.

Now, shut the fuck up, retard.
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would you like to bet on the specs? I know the specs going into the iMacs already, even before they were posted on thinksecret. You obviously don't visit dell's website to much..

Apple has been quoted as stating that OS X isn't their selling point it's the HARDWARE and it's marriage to the OS.

OS X comes free with every new mac you buy, it's not the money maker for Apple, which obviously a common layman would know.

I've been in meetings at Apple Sunnyvale in which the discussion was turned to graphics cards, and it was made clear from managment types that they didn't see the value in putting faster video cards in them at the small extra cost because the card performance wasn't a huge issue with consumers.

Now you be quiet. I know what I'm talking about and can back up my facts.
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Wow, you two make me look like Mr. Snuggly.
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would you like to bet on the specs? I know the specs going into the iMacs already, even before they were posted on thinksecret. You obviously don't visit dell's website to much..

Apple has been quoted as stating that OS X isn't their selling point it's the HARDWARE and it's marriage to the OS.

OS X comes free with every new mac you buy, it's not the money maker for Apple, which obviously a common layman would know.

I've been in meetings at Apple Sunnyvale in which the discussion was turned to graphics cards, and it was made clear from managment types that they didn't see the value in putting faster video cards in them at the small extra cost because the card performance wasn't a huge issue with consumers.

Now you be quiet. I know what I'm talking about and can back up my facts.

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Will the iMac do that? Or will it only be higher in price?
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Provide link, please.
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Originally posted by inkhead would you like to bet on the specs? I know the specs going into the iMacs already, even before they were posted on thinksecret. You obviously don't visit dell's website to much..

They have a computer that sells for 1200 and has a Radeon X300 with 128 MB of RAM, which is comparable to the Radeon Mobile 9600. Nothing special.


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Apple has been quoted as stating that OS X isn't their selling point it's the HARDWARE and it's marriage to the OS.

Just because Apple states that, doesnt mean it isnt true. I buy Macs for OS X, as do many other people. By the way, can you show me where Apple has stated that?

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OS X comes free with every new mac you buy, it's not the money maker for Apple, which obviously a common layman would know.

OS X comes with every new Mac, of course. Apple is smart, if they sold X separate, they would not sell many Macs. Their hardware is not unique, it is uniquely designed, but the function and software is what drives sales.

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I've been in meetings at Apple Sunnyvale in which the discussion was turned to graphics cards, and it was made clear from managment types that they didn't see the value in putting faster video cards in them at the small extra cost because the card performance wasn't a huge issue with consumers.

And....making my point for me? If it isnt, then why add it? lol Their research is better than yours, I'm sure.

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Now you can shut it, and shut it tightly.
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I'm not trying to be a moderator here but F-bombs have no place in a forum.

Learn how to be civil please. You will get a whole lot farther. I just see your name and I am starting to glance right to the next post.
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I'm not trying to be a moderator here but F-bombs have no place in a forum.

Learn how to be civil please. You will get a whole lot farther. I just see your name and I am starting to glance right to the next post.

Language is something that can offend some and attract others, it may repel you but the guy I was responding to was revolting me with his ignorance. I guess you could say I was fighting ignorant thinking with ignorant language. Sorry, I'll try to keep my cool.

Anyway, the point is; Apple ties the hardware to the OS to generate revenue, it makes business sense.

Obviously Apple would claim that their hardware is what drives sales, it makes them look good, they cant publicly say that they sell uncompetitive hardware. Capiche?
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"I don't want a PC"

"I don't want a PC"

"I don't want a PC"

100 million PCs are sold a year(rough estimate)
yet where are the cool apps? They certainly aren't coming from MS. Have you suite their graphics suite? You should check it out for a laugh.

Walking down an aisle of PCs and then seeing a Mac is refreshing. They always catch eyes. Do we want to be like everyone else? Do we want "good enough"?

I don't want every Tom,Dick and Harry on the platform. Mac users should be the cream. That's why Apple likely doesn't want gamers. Gamers produce nothing but silly framerates and flamewars, the fiends

$1300 wasn't that much more expensive in 2000 than it is today. It's the expectations that are different. Just as many people can afford the the iMac coming as those that purchased the first iMac.

Alex Salkever just made a public apology to Steve Jobs because he thought the iPod Mini was overpriced. How many are you are prepared to do the same when this iMac blows up?
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Alex Salkever just made a publich apology to Steve Jobs because he thought the iPod Mini was overpriced. How many are you are prepared to do the same when this iMac blows up?

This is actually really interesting. I'd love to study people's mind because the iPod is obviously more expensive than many MP3 players out there yet it's mind-bogglingly popular...but the Mac though...it just doesn't get the same kind of attention.

So exactly what is going on here? People find MP3 players important enough that paying more for one that offers the best experience is justification enough but computers aren't important enough no matter what the experience it provides?

Or is it that iPods just got lucky in an unsaturated market so it rapidly got into more hands and, as consequence, word of mouth got around much faster and then the chain reaction kicks in?

It's obvious that a lot of people don't think twice when they go out to purchase an MP3 player...but a computer which does much more than an MP3 player is a difficult choice and one of the main factors in the decision is the price.

Weird world...but whatever.

I think one day Apple will manage to convince a significant amount of people to switch over.

I don't wish for Apple to grow beyond 15% marketshare...this would bring viruses, unwanted developers that would create malware for Mac OS X and hackers. But bringing Apple back to 10% would make the more important developers feel more secure developing for the Mac.

I hope Linux grows in marketshare also. If Linux grabs 5-10% and OS X grabs another 5-10%, and other OSs sustain 3-5%, that leaves Microsoft with 75%-87%... developers (web and app) would certainly code with standards in mind if they want to grab the remaining 13-25% of the marketshare. It doesn't look like a lot but it is.

...and I've gone on a tangent...
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This is actually really interesting. I'd love to study people's mind because the iPod is obviously more expensive than many MP3 players out there yet it's mind-bogglingly popular...but the Mac though...it just doesn't get the same kind of attention.

It's amazing what happens when the corporate, IT driven world isn't at the helm. Sometimes the best thing can actually win.
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