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post #481 of 698
That's a very nice tangent

Yes the iPod defies all conventions. I think it neatly avoids the problem with selling Macs. Compatibility fears keep Macs from being sold but everyone knows that iPods play MP3s which is still the "standard" in most people's mind. Don't you find it interesting how people are trying to confuse that issue with WMA. You got guys like Thurrot calling WMA the "Industry Standard" every chance he gets. Guess he doesn't frequent P2P to see how little WMA is used.

I think the iPod points to the obvious. People are willing to pay for tech gear that works and is easy. I don't think the vast public knows how Macs have progressed. I can't tell you how many people still think of Macs in terms of the dreaded Performa days.

How Apple advertises Tiger will speak volumes about how committed they are to growth. I think Tiger represents an amazing opportunity to get the jump on Longhorn a year early.

People "will" pay for ease of use but consumers are jaded when it comes to companies telling them their products work and are easy. Looking at the sales trajectory of the iPod it's obvious that each iPod owner became a fantastic pitchman. With Apple selling more and more portables I think you'll see a nice "Halo Effect" as people running Tiger can demo on the spot the cool new features. A picture is worth a thousands words.
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post #482 of 698
i don't want a machine from a company firmly rooted in "graphics, art, and science" to be underpowered or the same as any other company. People pay a premium for their macs, they expect better. The reason I drive a Ducati 749 Testastretta is because it's better than a honda. It also cost me a bit more.

I wouldn't have purchased a Ducati if it had a slower performing engine, no matter how good the it looked or how many accessories I could tack on.

If I pay more I want more. Especially from a company as innovative and graphics oriented as apple. I don't want to be dissappointed.

Tell me I'm wrong? Excuse my "ignorance"

Most Mac OS X users have been using macs since Macs have been around (myself included). Most people did suddenly switch to macs when OS X came out. Sure it's helping bring in switchers but people who use macs usually have been macheads since using computers...

the 9800 Pro is about 10 frames a second faster than the 9600 you mention. Not that it matters, we're talking about a computer NOT yet out yet that's going to use something NOT HALF as good as the 9800 pro... (which has been out for 4 months for Dell)

Think about that...

For the last 5 years or so getting the same high performance cards available for 15% (less cost) in a timely manner has been a pain. I'm always playing catch up with Windows graphics performance... Apple used to OWN this market.. Now I wait 4 months for a video card that's already on windows... (except that one time when it came "first" on the mac, only 2 months late though) Apple nearly burned the ATI relations with an ego trip over a honest mistake from ATI. Sometimes egos can destory a relationship enough that the middle finger is held high to mac users from ATI for a long time to come... (which doesn't help apple any)
post #483 of 698
Think about this:

Thinksecret may be incorrect.

We do not know BTO options.

Apple's user base expands by nearly 3.5 million users every year, the platform is growing not shrinking.

Apple's market share can only get better, right?

We don't know what the iMac will look like yet.

It will use a G5 and a screamingly fast Bus, we know this. The processor and bus speed alone will trounce anything in the $999 to $1499 price range.

Apple sells competitive hardware, with an engine (OS X) that is unmatched.

What do you doomsdayers think about that?
post #484 of 698
let me make it clear, thinksecret is NOT wrong about the specs. I know they are correct ;-)
post #485 of 698
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Originally posted by inkhead
let me make it clear, thinksecret is NOT wrong about the specs. I know they are correct ;-)

what are the bto options then?
post #486 of 698
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I've been in meetings at Apple Sunnyvale....

I'm curious: where in Sunnyvale did you attend your meetings? I've lived in Sunnyvale for 12 years and have never seen an Apple office of any sort here. Since you've attended more than one meeting at Apple's Sunnyvale offices, can you tell me where they're located?

BTW, did you know that the U.S. Ducati distributor is only a short distance from the "other" Apple offices (but not in Sunnyvale, either). Popular bikes here in the valley.
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post #487 of 698
I really don't see what the problems with the specs are...other than the video card (which falls in the required specs to run CoreImage/Video and Quartz 2D Extreme when Tiger is out), the specs are impressive.

5.1 digital sound...right in time for QT7 and OpenAL. People have been wanting this forever but Macs just didn't have enough software or core elements to fully take advantage of multichannel sound.

The iMac would be Tiger-ready. And Tiger is going to be frickin' awesome. Sure, Doom 3 won't run like a champ but neither do the $999 PCs.
post #488 of 698
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Originally posted by hmurchison
...I don't want every Tom,Dick and Harry on the platform. Mac users should be the cream. That's why Apple likely doesn't want gamers. Gamers produce nothing but silly framerates and flamewars, the fiends ...

Well I'm glad that you are not running Apple, and I'm sure most stock holders aren't either. If you remember the original marketing campaign, the original iMac was designed with every Tom, Dick, and Harry and so were most of the iApps. As a professional Designer I would never think to use any of them in my professional life. iPhoto is fine for my wife, but I much prefer Photoshop even for the most rutine tasks. If I need a database for images give me something with some muscle Cumulus. Text editing, it's either Word or BBEdit. The iMac (3 plugs and your on the internet right?) iApps were designed with the sole purpose of adding value and attracting every day users to the Mac platform, not the professionals that were already using them.
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...$1300 wasn't that much more expensive in 2000 than it is today. It's the expectations that are different. Just as many people can afford the the iMac coming as those that purchased the first iMac.

That depends on the market and product that you are looking at. In the case of pharmasuticals, higher education, health care, and fuel the prices have risen much faster than the rate of inflation. If you look at DVD players the prices have dropped much faster than the rate of enflation. The fact is that in the technology markets, even of over the past 4 years the price of products tends to drop over time even as the specs go up because the technology to make them improves making them less expensive to manufacture while producing larger yields of usable product. This has not been the case in the processors that the Mac uses, and as a result it has not been the case with Mac so the prices have gone up while the performance lagged behind that of the rest of the industry. Let's hope that this trend is soon reversed, though with IBM's problems with the 970's so far this year it doesn't look like it is going to happen soon enough.
post #489 of 698
Best bike I've ever owned. It's not really sunnyvale, it's just the sunnyvale exit off the 280. it's really cupertino, off mariani st.
post #490 of 698
Wouldn't you agree that all new macs coming out from him on out should be able to fully support tiger's exciting feature set? How would you feel if Apple showed software to developers that the entire mac community knows that your mac isnt' going to support. If Apple is planning this in advance wouldn't they also plan the computer to hve a graphics card that would take full advantage of new software to be released? Does this not seem logical? I'd feel really left out and uncared for...
post #491 of 698
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Originally posted by inkhead
let me make it clear, thinksecret is NOT wrong about the specs. I know they are correct ;-)

what are tho bto options?
post #492 of 698
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Well I'm glad that you are not running Apple, and I'm sure most stock holders aren't either.

Apple and the stockholders care about making a profit not placating the whimsical needs of spec whores. Bottom line Apple offers Macs from $799 on up. You don't like that..look elsewhere. Actions speak louder than words and Apple is yelling right now.

Come on guys. Are we ever going to lean on AI??? We've heard it all.

"Apple's gone bezerk...a music player for $500???".

"The iPod Mini is going to fail. Who would buy a 4GB $249 player when for $50 they get a 15GB iPod"

I think the people that we need to stop listening to are the chicken little on these boards screaming about price. The iPod clearly shows price is not always the mitigating factor

Here's how I feel about the iMac coming.

Yes it could have a faster GPU and CPU but this is a first generation of a new design. I'd take it pretty conservative if I was Apple. You got people pissed because Apple doesn't have a 2Ghz G5 or a ATI 9600 in the unit. They don't even know the thermal characteristics of the case. Overheating doesn't do you any good. Let Apple take it slow.

Also keep in mind that 2004 is a transition to PCI Express and new GPUs. I expect Apple to "catch up" with the next refresh.
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post #493 of 698
hmurch probably wouldnt be good at running Apple, but he knows what the hell he's talking about. He KNOWS Apple, through and through, and as many people here complain that Apple doesnt have a huge market share "like they should," they are still a massively successful company-a tech giant.

Some people here could really use a visit to the optician, so that they can see the forest for the trees.
post #494 of 698
I bought a $500 iPod, I could have bought a $300 rioplayer. The iPod had better specs, if you compare it to the other options out there it doesn't look so expensive.

A premium is fine for a premium product. (Seems to be what Apple's profit potential has always been)

I don't think this iMac is going to fit into it's schemes.
post #495 of 698
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Originally posted by inkhead
I bought a $500 iPod, I could have bought a $300 rioplayer. The iPod had better specs, if you compare it to the other options out there it doesn't look so expensive.

A premium is fine for a premium product. (Seems to be what Apple's profit potential has always been)

I don't think this iMac is going to fit into it's schemes.

The iMac is going to have a G5, it will have a massive LCD screen, it will have a FAST bus speed, it will have bluetooth and airport networking, it will be capable of running OS X with ease.

It will cost what it should cost.
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post #496 of 698
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Originally posted by hmurchison
Apple and the stockholders care about making a profit not placating the whimsical needs of spec whores. Bottom line Apple offers Macs from $799 on up. You don't like that..look elsewhere. Actions speak louder than words and Apple is yelling right now. ...

First off how many more units (Computers, not iPods) is Apple selling today than they were 4 years ago? What percentage has that part of their business grown? How does that compare to the growth in the computer industry as a whole? How much more would Apple's stock and business be worth today if they grew as much as the rest of the industry?

Apple does make a $799 computer, but they aren't really marketing it to the general public. Sure the Mac market knows about it, but when was the last eMac commercial on network TV? What magazines outside of Mac publications have you seen a print add for it? From what I have seen they are not trying very hard to sell these computers. The bottom line is that Apple has not really tried to market this computer as a consumer computer, probably for many reasons including not wanting to dilute the brand identity of the iMac so that when they are able to market it as a serious contender in the consumer market again they can.

Apple has been making some noise on the software front, with their OS, music apps, and professional apps. They have even made some promising news and gained some respect with the G5 computers. I don't think that this can be denied. I think that they have fallen short in their efforts with their consumer desktop computers. I think that it is too soon to predict how the new iMac will be recieved, but my feeling is that if the prices and specs are right in the TS article that they will be recieved about as well and have the same market performance curve that the G4 iMac did.

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Also keep in mind that 2004 is a transition to PCI Express and new GPUs. I expect Apple to "catch up" with the next refresh.

If Apple's track record in adopting new technology that they have not developed holds true I wouldnn't expect to see PCI Express untill 2006, especially in their consumer models since a new design will have just been released.

hmurchison, I respect your knowldge and your zeal for the Mac platform. However I think that it, as well as your apparent eletism, are blinding you to the real possabilities for the Mac platform. No not all the problems were created by Apple, most of them were limits of the hardware that they adopted. Others are and were compromises to make their computers more profitable. However, if they were able to make and sell significantly more computers then the resulting increase in volume should bring a cut in cost of production and allow for more profit and possibly a reduction in price of their entire line. You know if the market share of the Mac platform increases everyone who owns a Mac wins through the potential for more software ported over to the platform, probably with faster release dates and at a lower cost. The same holds true with third party hardware. A larger market share, and larger install base means that the potential market for these items is larger so the R & D costs can be spread out over a larger consumer base.
post #497 of 698
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Originally posted by Messiahtosh
They have a computer that sells for 1200 and has a Radeon X300 with 128 MB of RAM, which is comparable to the Radeon Mobile 9600. Nothing special.

Um, try again. The X300 is a PCIe native card. Big improvement over the 9600.
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post #498 of 698
Do I have a history of predicting product successes? Probably more than most of you. I had the balls, in the face of Alex Salkever of business week (who said the iPod mini would flop, to say that the iPod mini would be a smashing success. Most people on these forums just unloaded their disatisifcation about the pricing and how it $249 was such a huge mistake...CHECK THESE LINKS OUT.

Why am I being so obnoxiously in your face about this whole thing? Well, to prove that I know what I'm talking about and that some of you need to get a reality check. I don't mean to honk my own horn here but...beep beep!

http://forums.appleinsider.com/showt...ht=iPod+future

http://forums.appleinsider.com/showt...ight=iPod+mini

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Forget for a minute, forget that the iPod exists. Pretend you were using the same portable music player you had (if you had one) 4 years ago. How did you have your music with you? How many CD's did you carry with you? How many did you want to be able to use?

Ahh, thank God for the iPod. But to me, it isnt the iPod's capacity that draws me to it anymore. I am beyond that, I have no desire or REAL need to have as many songs as 10,000 in my pocket. It costs a lot of money to do that, it also costs pocket space. While the iPod may be small in comparison to portable CD players or most other "comparable" MP3 players, it just isnt a mini.

The mini will be the best selling product in Apple's history, I have no doubts about it. I think the mini is being overlooked, simply because it gets compared in terms of storage capacity. Think about this for a second: it has as much internal storage as the original iMac did!

The mini is effectively going to be Apple's next iMac, this time in comparison to success, not storage capacity.

$249 is too much money to pay for what it is? Look at what it is NOT before you go all negative on me. It is NOT big, it is NOT expensive COMPARED to other iPod's, it is NOT heavy, it does NOT take up room, it is NOT just white, it does NOT have pitiful storage capacity.

This new iPod mini lacks so many things, that it is perfect. And before christmas, it is going to lose something else: $50 off its price tag. Of course, I didnt care about the price, because I paid for what is isnt, as much as I paid for what it is.

Never before have I been so amazed by a "mini" iteration of a product. This new iPod has everything that just about everyone needs. It is interesting to me that people talk up the idea of a low priced tower computer, this is the exact same thing as that except in digital music player form. It appeals to the masses who honestly, could care less about a 9,000 song difference. It is all about the $250 dollar difference, for $250 dollars less...look what you get...and also, look what you DONT get.

I predicted the success of the iPod mini back on 02-12-2004 10:22 PM.

Right here and now I predict that the next iMac will outsell the original, meaning more than 6 million units in its life span.
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post #499 of 698
Finally made it through the whole thread. (Hangs head between knees and takes deep, gasping breaths.)
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post #500 of 698
You poor, poor bastard.
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post #501 of 698
Now that I have caught my breath...

The new iMac will be an overwhelming success for its target market. Who is the target market? Here is my top ten list:

10. People who have never heard of doom and think that "gamer" refers to people who play one or more hours of solitaire a day.

9. People who answer to the name "grandma".

8. Those who are 13 and under.

7. People who can successfully hook up a mouse, keyboard, and speakers, but can't for the life of them figure out what to do with the monitor cable.

6. People who have to take medication for panic attacks after encountering a mouse with more than one button.

5. People who don't know the difference between video cards and playing cards.

4. People who bought the original iMac based on color without ever realizing that there were substantive differences in the models besides color.

3. People who consider their computer a friend or a little buddy.

2. People who want to have Steve Job's baby.

1. People with more dollars than sense.

There you have it. The iMac's target market. If you feel let down or abandoned or disappointed by the new (potential) specs, then consider yourself fortunate that you do not fit the description of the iMac's target market. Save up your money and buy a PM and join me in patiently awaiting the day when Apple finally decides to produce a true consumer desktop for the rest of us.

Happy ranting..

Good night, all.
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post #502 of 698
What would a 13 year old do with a G5? (I know one kid on this forum has one but seriously)
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Originally posted by Messiahtosh
I predicted the success of the iPod mini back on 02-12-2004 10:22 PM.

Right here and now I predict that the next iMac will outsell the original, meaning more than 6 million units in its life span.

Oooh, thank you. That little bit of back-patting really sold me.
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What would a 13 year old do with a G5? (I know one kid on this forum has one but seriously)

Play Doom 3? No, wait...
post #505 of 698
Oh wait...I can play good games for $99. It's called a console, chachi.
post #506 of 698
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What would a 13 year old do with a G5? (I know one kid on this forum has one but seriously)

Post to online forums under 2 or 3 different usernames?

With all of that processing power you could have multiple windows open and make 20 or 30 more nicknames. Fun!
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Post to online forums under 2 or 3 different usernames?

With all of that processing power you could have multiple windows open and make 20 or 30 more nicknames. Fun!

Hilarious.

Go back to dellinsider.com or something.
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Hilarious.

Go back to dellinsider.com or something.

Dude, you're getting bipolar.
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Oh wait...I can play good games for $99. It's called a console, chachi.

The thing is, there are certain games that just play better on computers. The Sims is just painful in my Xbox. Sim City 2000 and Warcraft were a joke on PSOne.

Doom 3 would do pretty good on a console though. Quake 3 Arena was perfect for console gaming.

But yeah, if your thing is games, buy a $99 Gamecube. It's a steal.
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Dude, you're getting bipolar.

How so? I would debate you over any issue, any time, anywhere. On iChat audio even (or video) and record it. We could see who knows their shit and who has their head together. Wanna?
post #511 of 698
You two/three/however many wanna take it elsewhere?

Really.
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post #512 of 698
Who needs a time-out?
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Just to clear this up once and for all. The only reason I have a dual account is because I do not know the password for my one account, so I registered this one while I was at the University and with the PSU email account. I'm not trying to pose as someone else or something stupid like that, I simply forgot the password for my normal/main account.
post #514 of 698
I guess a 13-year-old could *use* a G5 if they were into serious video editing, intense games, etc. No, I don't think 13-year-olds *need* a G5, but if that is the case, I don't *need* one either. However, I do want one.

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post #515 of 698
Wow you are sheer genius! You mean you ALONE thought Alex would be wrong? Who didn't think the iPod would be a huge success? Who the hell is businessweek to make such stupid predictions. I think everyone would have told you the iPod mini was going to be a huge success. Anyone who properly researched drew the proper "guesses."

Let me one up your prediction:
I predict (just like you) that the iMac will sell millions of units I also predict that there will be 500,000 that will feel frustrated trying to play the latest games, or upset at the video card in the computer. The iMac is the perfect family home machine, it will be used for games. I'm not asking for a $500 video card to do workstation quality graphics. I'm asking for something that will work well with say doom3. Let me put it this way, to step up to a bitching video card will cost apple around an extra $60 per unit. If apple offered (NOT BTO) option of iMac with crappy card, or nice card for $100 more do you think anybody would buy the crappy card computer? That's how you know what people want. I don't know one person who wouldn't shell out $100 more for a superior card when they are already dropping $1300. And that price margin is if apple wants to make a nice profit from the video card...

Think about it.

The LC I bought back in the day was a smashing success, but it was the only one in the line to offer only 256 colors. Apple took it on the chin when inside details were discovered showing that it was SUPPOSED to ship with thousands of colors but was dumbed down at the last minute because they wanted to save $30 on manufacturing costs. Everyone I know would have gladly paid the extra $50, or even $100 to have a machine with thousands of colors. (just an example)


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Originally posted by Messiahtosh
Do I have a history of predicting product successes? Probably more than most of you. I had the balls, in the face of Alex Salkever of business week (who said the iPod mini would flop, to say that the iPod mini would be a smashing success. Most people on these forums just unloaded their disatisifcation about the pricing and how it $249 was such a huge mistake...CHECK THESE LINKS OUT.

Why am I being so obnoxiously in your face about this whole thing? Well, to prove that I know what I'm talking about and that some of you need to get a reality check. I don't mean to honk my own horn here but...beep beep!

http://forums.appleinsider.com/showt...ht=iPod+future

http://forums.appleinsider.com/showt...ight=iPod+mini



I predicted the success of the iPod mini back on 02-12-2004 10:22 PM.

Right here and now I predict that the next iMac will outsell the original, meaning more than 6 million units in its life span.
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Well I managed to get through the whole thread and there are a few things I would like to comment on. I'm not going to go back and pull quotes, so I'll just jump to the subjects:

Apple's fiscal health
Someone stated earlier that the interest on Apples 5 billion would only amount to a few million per quarter. I'm not sure what rate Apple is getting, but at only 5% the interest would come out to 62.5 million dollars per quarter. Which would mean that Apple did not make a lot of money this past quarter selling computers (or even iPods).

I think that the situation makes two things clear:

1) The current offerings form Apple are unappealing not only to switchers, but also to faithful Mac users.

2) Apple cannot afford to cut margins by a significant amount (they are barely making a profit at the current level).

So Apple needs to to make their offerings more appealing to the masses (to increase unit sales) without decreasing the profit made on each unit sold. A difficult, but not insurmountable, task. Which brings us to Apple's solution:

The New iMac
Assuming that Think Secret's iMac specs are correct Apple will ship a new armless, components behind the screen all in one iMac with the following specs:

$1300.00 - $2200.00
17 or 20-inch widescreen LCD
1.6 -1.8GHz PowerPC G5 ( bus speed ???)
NVIDIA GeForce FX 5200 Ultra (64MB DDR) video memory
256MB DDR SDRAM (2GB max)
80GB - 160GB Serial ATA hard drive
Combo or SuperDrive
AirPort Extreme Ready
10/100BASE-T Ethernet
2 FireWire 400 ports
3 USB 2.0 ports
(Note: I left out the bare bones "education" model to concentrate on the consumer offerings.)

Now, while the above specs are better then the current iMac's (which was selling so poorly that Apple discontinued them two months before the replacements were ready because they were not worth keeping in stock) the new iMac is not quite what one would expect for machine made to breathe new life into a failing line.

Besides the ridiculously low amount of standard ram, which is almost forgivable, the main complaints are the CPU, GPU, and price.

The new iMac's CPU
A single G5 processor running at 1.6GHz is not going to keep up with the 2.4GHz Athlon 64s or the 3.4GHz HT P4s that you are going to find at the mid to upper end of the iMac price range, nor will the 1.8Ghz G5 fair much better. Even at the low end of the iMac price range 2.8GHz or faster P4s are the norm. Apple really needed to put in a 2.5GHz G5 as their top end iMac, but a 2.2GHz would have been acceptable. Even a 2GHz G5 might have drummed up some enthusiasm -- but 1.6GHz and 1.8GHz? The low speed is bound to impact sales. Of course, this is not as big a problem as the GPU

(Now it might not be Apple's fault, it could be that IBM just cannot produce enough of the faster G5s, if that is the case we should see speed bumps relatively soon. If it was just a marketing decision, we can expect to have underpowered iMacs for life of the new line.)

The New iMac's GPU
This is where Apple's skimping is truly unbelievable. The video card in the new iMac is the extremely anemic NVIDIA GeForce FX 5200 Ultra with 64MB DDR. It is a very poor card by current standards, and it would cost so little to put in a much more powerful graphic card that it does not make any sense. For about $40 more they could have stuck in a 128MB Radeon 9600, or an NVIDIA 5600FX. I would be more than willing to spend that much (or more for an even better vedeo card), and so would a lot of other people. I bet that, if given a choice between a $1700 iMac with 64MB GeForce FX 5200 or a $1765 iMac with a 128MB Radeon 9600XT, that the latter would outsell the former by quite a large ratio.

Some people pointed out that you can get a Dell in the same price range as the low end iMac with a GeForce FX 5200 Ultra in it, but they failed to mention that you can also get a Dell in the same price range with a Radeon 9800 pro (or at the cost of a mid-priced iMac you can even get a system with a 256MB PCIe ATI Radeon X800 XT).

I know it is doubtful, but I hope that Apple will have a build to order version of the new iMac with a good video card.

The New iMac's Price
The only way Apple can afford to cut down on the iMacs price is for them to somehow reduce the manufacturing costs. The design for the last iMac was expensive to manufacture and until we see the new one we can't even speculate whether or not it will be cheaper to make.

The iMacs prices need to come down, and think that Apple should pay a little more attention to the bottom line manufacturing costs and less to industrial design awards.

Just my 2 cents.
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Good points. However inflation is 4% so if your making 5% (a damn good return on money just sitting around in a savings account, which it's not ;-) Then your profit is 1%.

On a side note if your relatives, parents or anyone ever tells you to put money in a savings account I wouldn't listen. most savings accounts are 1% (if your lucky) If inflation is 4% that means you're losing 3% of your money ever year by letting it sit....
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Res still has a nice post and agree with almost every word, heck you can get a base Alienware system with 9600xt and monitor for under 2 grand and upgrade the thing all over the place in the future. does it have Mac osx? no it doesnt but unless Apple can fix its poor tier structure and the constant crippling of its all in ones i dont see many Pc users running to mac over its consumer models. Apple needs a consumer tower and it has to stop crippling its products for powermac.
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;-) Notice today the updated delays on the 6800 video card? It's not delays it's just that Apple annouces them in advance, when they know they won't be able to fill the orders.
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;-) Notice today the updated delays on the 6800 video card? It's not delays it's just that Apple annouces them in advance, when they know they won't be able to fill the orders.

It does seem to be a regular pattern for apple doesnt it, announce something,say when it will ship but then ship it months later. perhaps they are adding up orders before actually placing that order for the parts they need. not a good business model and sure does little to get new customers.
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