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post #521 of 698
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Originally posted by zenarcade
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I have an iMac450DV+ , and everyone who sees it for the first time, have to touch it. They shake their heads, with a smile and a laughter.

The iMac is not a pc, it is something more than that. We all know this, let´s hope Apple knows it too !

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The iMac is not a pc, it is something more than that. We all know this, let´s hope Apple knows it too ! Oh damn you said it above
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post #522 of 698
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Originally posted by Aurora
It does seem to be a regular pattern for apple doesnt it, announce something,say when it will ship but then ship it months later. perhaps they are adding up orders before actually placing that order for the parts they need. not a good business model and sure does little to get new customers.

This is what is so annoying that Apple does isn't it? EVERY time they seem to do this, and they kill the momentum of having a product release. How much you wanna bet that even though we've waited two more months, when the iMacs are announced, only the lowest model will be shipping and then the other two will be quoted as "end of september" or something like that. And then the news around mid September will start pouring in that the high end will be pushed back to mid to late October.

So if we look at this in this scenario, that means an intended product meant to be introduced sometime in June is pushed till sometime in October. That's about four months, almost the length of some of Apple's product cycles. Which means of course, with the low specs gleaned from Thinksecret, that these products by the market will be outdated within three months or so after their introduction.

Come on Apple where's that competitive spirit? I know it has to do with processors from IBM, but this seems to always happen.

Speaking of which, my powerbook died and I need to get another one very soon, should I wait (because of the evidence found in the 10.3.5 kext files)? Or should I get another g4?
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I'm betting that the high end iMac will be the sweet spot and will be first available. Worked that way when I bought my 12" PB (rev a) and my iMac. (rev d) if I recall correctly.
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post #525 of 698
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Originally posted by kcmac
I'm betting that the high end iMac will be the sweet spot and will be first available. Worked that way when I bought my 12" PB (rev a) and my iMac. (rev d) if I recall correctly.

I disagree, Apple has a habit of shipping low end stuff first and working its way up in fact i would almost bet that the 1.8 G5 imac wont ship for awhile based on Apples history.
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post #526 of 698
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Originally posted by Res
Now, while the above specs are better then the current iMac's (which was selling so poorly that Apple discontinued them two months before the replacements were ready because they were not worth keeping in stock) the new iMac is not quite what one would expect for machine made to breathe new life into a failing line.

Apple discontinued the second generation iMacs because they were hoping to have the third generation ready for shipping by the time their current stock was empty, *not* because they were selling so poorly that they were not worth keeping in stock.
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post #527 of 698
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Originally posted by Gavriel
Apple discontinued the second generation iMacs because they were hoping to have the third generation ready for shipping by the time their current stock was empty, *not* because they were selling so poorly that they were not worth keeping in stock.

you are wrong, apples iMac has been a very poor seller for Apple the past 11/2 years. this is why they added Emac to Imac numbers to prop them up and guess what they never did add up to what the fruity imacs did in sales. iMac didnt get a redo because it was a great seller the only problem is Apple seems to be locked into a mindset that only All in ones will be marketed for the consumer market. this is a mistake by Apple.
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post #528 of 698
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Originally posted by Aurora
you are wrong, apples iMac has been a very poor seller for Apple the past 11/2 years. this is why they added Emac to Imac numbers to prop them up and guess what they never did add up to what the fruity imacs did in sales. iMac didnt get a redo because it was a great seller the only problem is Apple seems to be locked into a mindset that only All in ones will be marketed for the consumer market. this is a mistake by Apple.

No I am not wrong! Never did I argue that the iMac wasn't a poor seller. I was merely pointing out that Apple didn't *intentionally* choose to have a several month gap of selling no iMacs at all, simply because the current models weren't selling very well.
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post #529 of 698
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Originally posted by Messiahtosh
Right here and now I predict that the next iMac will outsell the original, meaning more than 6 million units in its life span.

It may sell more in it's lifespan, but only if it's lifespan is double that of the original. Far too many people either don't want an AIO desktop or would rather get a laptop that fits the AIO model better (IE AIO only works well if it's portable).

These iMacs may be decent value for the money, however they do NOT address the real problem w/ the iMac2. That is lack of choice. Basically once again Apple intends to market 2 systems w/ a choice of 2 monitors on one of those systems. If they really wanted to sell iMacs in droves they'd have 3 base units w/ 15" LCDs that would have the option of upgrading to 17" or 20" LCDs. If they wanted to sell iMacs into markets they currently refuse to consider (90% or more of the consumer market), they'd sell the base model w/o any monitor and w/ an upgradeable graphics card.

I can see how those things can be done easily, most of you should able to as well. I do believe that Ives could come up w/ a way to make such a system elegant looking.

Apple chooses not to do either of those things and therefore they choose to maintain a marketshare of 3% or less. Some of you think this is actually good, fine you are entitled to your opinion. However many developers look at that marketshare number and make decisions based on it. Personally I like having some choice in software, no I don't really want the amount of choice (often drek) that there is for Windows, some choice would be nice though. I think a marketshare of around 7% isn't asking a lot.
post #530 of 698
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Originally posted by ouroboros
... Speaking of which, my powerbook died and I need to get another one very soon, should I wait (because of the evidence found in the 10.3.5 kext files)? Or should I get another g4?

1. Hedge your bets and get the 14" iBook at 1.25GHz. Or get a used TiBook. You'll save money, and you can sell it when the Powerbook G5 comes out late next year.
2. What's wrong with your PB? Why can't you get it fixed?
post #531 of 698
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Originally posted by cubist
1. Hedge your bets and get the 14" iBook at 1.25GHz. Or get a used TiBook. You'll save money, and you can sell it when the Powerbook G5 comes out late next year.
2. What's wrong with your PB? Why can't you get it fixed?

well a bad firewire cable fried the firewire port. and now when i burn a cd the screen shuts off while verifying the disk. its also 2 1/2 years old and i need a new one as its my main work computer. this sucks though because i have to basically give it away because i can't really sell it.
post #532 of 698
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Originally posted by Dazaran
Apple chooses not to do either of those things and therefore they choose to maintain a marketshare of 3% or less. Some of you think this is actually good, fine you are entitled to your opinion. However many developers look at that marketshare number and make decisions based on it. Personally I like having some choice in software, no I don't really want the amount of choice (often drek) that there is for Windows, some choice would be nice though. I think a marketshare of around 7% isn't asking a lot.

Incorrect, developers look at an installed user base, not market share, when deciding if it would be financially intelligent to develop software for a certain platform.

Don't be foolish. If Apple sells about 4.5 million Macs a year, added on to a user base of about 30 million, the platform remains a sound investment for developers.

Look at the Gamecube or any game console. Developers make software for the Gamecube, which has sold less than 11 million units since it's introduction...and it only costs $99. Imagine that.
post #533 of 698
Why Apple has an advantage in the "PC as a commodity" market place.

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post #534 of 698
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Originally posted by NittanyLionTosh

Don't be foolish. If Apple sells about 4.5 million Macs a year, added on to a user base of about 30 million, the platform remains a sound investment for developers.

I really doubt the installed user base is 30 million units, since Apple is selling less than 4 million units/year. If im not mistaking, Apple sold 5 million units in the top unit selling year 1995. After that, only a couple of years have resulted in more than 4 million units sold, and some years Apple sold less than 3 million units(!). Also, the older hardware, the less likely you are to buy new software. Its pretty realistic that the installed user base is smaller now than in the mid 90is.
post #535 of 698
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I really doubt the installed user base is 30 million units, since Apple is selling less than 4 million units/year. If im not mistaking, Apple sold 5 million units in the top unit selling year 1995. After that, only a couple of years have resulted in more than 4 million units sold, and some years Apple sold less than 3 million units(!). Also, the older hardware, the less likely you are to buy new software. Its pretty realistic that the installed user base is smaller now than in the mid 90is.

Apple's installed user base, including older systems is about 30 million people. OS X has about 13 million users and counting, the others have yet to upgrade. But, you know what they say, "once you go Mac, you dont go back."

Steve Jobs quotes numbers in the San Francisco Keynote from January of this year.

OS X is doing better then Nintendo. Food for thought.
post #536 of 698
So the 13 million is the number that matters to developers. People who haven't updated their OS in the last five years are not buying a lot of software.

Also, the Nintendo market is a lot more focused than the Mac market. Nintendo users buy games. Many Mac users don't buy anything.

"Once you go Mac you don't go back"-- what a joke. I would like to compare the size of the former Mac population to the current Mac population.
post #537 of 698
Apple has a loyal user base, but you know that already. Apple's market share is not growing very much, but the user base continunes to expand by millions a year, which makes the platform more and more viable for developers, all the time.

Apple is not in any danger of losing key support right now.
post #538 of 698
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Originally posted by NittanyLionTosh
Apple's installed user base, including older systems is about 30 million people. OS X has about 13 million users and counting, the others have yet to upgrade. But, you know what they say, "once you go Mac, you dont go back."

Steve Jobs quotes numbers in the San Francisco Keynote from January of this year.

OS X is doing better then Nintendo. Food for thought.

And let's face it. Macs have slower replacing cycles. People keep their macs for longer than they keep their PCs. I've seen it with myself and with other mac users. I've even seen teachers at my university who don't get rid of their old macs even after they've gotten newer PCs. People just don't throw them away. They're special. And they're also more expensive, that's why you don't get a new mac that easily too. (They have lower TCO, in my opinion anyway, but that's another story.)

I don't think OS X is doing better than nintendo. The installed user base of the gameboy alone is should be larger than 13 million. They're selling since 1989.
post #539 of 698
Than the Gamecube platform.

And if you want to count total Mac units in history versus total gameboy units, it wouldnt be far from close.
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post #540 of 698
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Than the Gamecube platform.

I think that US sales of the GC are around 10 million. The subtle difference is that you can only play games on a GC, so for a developer their potential market is 10 million users. On OS X there are many different uses. Any given piece of software will only sell to a limit set of OS X users.

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And if you want to count total Mac units in history versus total gameboy units, it wouldnt be far from close.

170 million gameboys, how many Macs? not that many. Absolutly highest estimate would be 4 million a year, for 20 years, 80 million. But it is a rare quarter that Apple topped 1 million units.
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Originally posted by mmmpie
I think that US sales of the GC are around 10 million. The subtle difference is that you can only play games on a GC, so for a developer their potential market is 10 million users. On OS X there are many different uses. Any given piece of software will only sell to a limit set of OS X users.



170 million gameboys, how many Macs? not that many. Absolutly highest estimate would be 4 million a year, for 20 years, 80 million. But it is a rare quarter that Apple topped 1 million units.

My point was that more people bought a Mac than have bought a GC. A Mac at the minimum cost is 800 dollars, a GC is 100 dollars.

Again, even though the Gameboy has outsold the Mac, look at the unit price of each.
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Why are we comparing Macs to Gamecubes?
post #543 of 698
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Originally posted by bborofka
Why are we comparing Macs to Gamecubes?

I don't even know anymore.

Wait, to show that the Mac is not a downtrodden and dead-end platform.
post #544 of 698
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Originally posted by NittanyLionTosh
Apple has a loyal user base, but you know that already. Apple's market share is not growing very much..

The problem is that Apple's marketshare isn't growing, at best it's stagnating.
They do look at those numbers if they wish to sell additional copies down the road. They will look at the fact that a few years ago Apple had 5% marketshare and that now they have 3% and then what ignore it?

No, they might develop software for Macs if they can make a profit in the short term. However unless they themselves are Macheads they will deduce that what is now 3% will be 1-2% a few more years down the road, and therefore not worth a longterm investment. (ie if it's going to take a while to recoup development costs and make a profit.)

This isn't about developers that have already spent the time and money to develop software for us, although at what point will they feel the need to pull out? At 2%? Maybe 1% or less. Choice is what I'm talking about here though and I'm seeing less and less even though OSX (on the software side) and LCD iMacs (on the hardware side) were supposed to give us more choice.

Where do you get this mythical 30 mil? Apple is only claiming at best 25 mil and do you know what? That's the same as it was 3 years ago. Marketshare is declining and installed base doesn't seem to be growing, so why should Apple put out another lemon iMac? No offense meant to Lemon Bon Bon btw.

I merely want to see Apple grow not rot on the tree slowly, and therefore will not defend what is (assuming those specs are real) an obvious mistake on their part.
post #545 of 698
Dazaran,

That's kinda how I'm looking at it. Sure, Apple may be selling 3-4Million computers a year, but how many of those sales are not to pre-existing Apple owners?

Supposedly this is happening in the Apple stores. Apple says 40-50% of purchasers didn't own a Mac beforehand. This sounds good until you realize what a small sliver of overall Mac sales happen at the Apple stores. Heck, almost 1/2 of sales are from outside the US, so the Apple stores only have a sliver of 60% of Apple hardware sales.

What's it going to take to get new users to the Apple platform? This is the question Apple needs to answer, and they need to do it quickly, before more software developers bail on OS X.
post #546 of 698
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Originally posted by PBG4 Dude
What's it going to take to get new users to the Apple platform? This is the question Apple needs to answer, and they need to do it quickly, before more software developers bail on OS X.

And what do you think Apple can/should do to attract more people to the Mac-platform?
post #547 of 698
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Originally posted by RolandG
And what do you think Apple can/should do to attract more people to the Mac-platform?

Personally I think they should put out $1200 headless upgradeable single-processor G5 systems. Doesn't have to be super fancy, but allow a PCI slot (for the odd person who wants to stick an M-Audio or some other audio card into the box) and give us an AGP/PCI-e slot for video upgradeability.

The point here isn't so much whether or not the user will upgrade over the life of the box. but whether or not the user CAN upgrade if they feel like it. People I've talked to have rejected Apple on this premise alone. Now, granted I'm a CS graduate so I'm talking to other CS people. But, these people are interested in Apple computers, they dig OS X from both user and hacker (in the good sense) perspectives. The main thing holding them back is that they can't get into the box if they want to add new parts.

Everyone can argue 'til they're blue in the face over whether or not users need to upgrade or what have you. The point is, many users want the option to expand in the future. There have been too many instances in the computing world where new technologies or technological advancements happened in a very short timeframe.

Remember when nVidia and 3dfx were new companies? When accelerated 3d burst onto the scene? PC users had no problem sticking a video card into a PCI slot and moving into the 3d accelerated world. How would you do that with a Mac?

What if you want to add an audio I/O card? You know that new program Apple put out this year called GarageBand? What if people like me try this program out. We dig it, it's cool, we can record ourselves. Now we want to get 4 or 5 people in one room and record. With GarageBand we have a couple options:
1. Everyone play into one microphone.
2. Get a mixer, run everyone into the mixer, then record into GarageBand.

I say to myself, this isn't good enough. I want to record all 5 of us as separate tracks so we can edit each track individually. This will take some upgrades, such as:

1. Logic Express. Cost $299 but at this price level it's probably the best idea.
2. PCI Audio I/O card. If I want 4 or 5 discrete inputs, the cheapest solution will be a PCI card + breakout box setup. Costs can be anywhere from $300 and up.
3. Get an Edirol Firewire I/O box. Great idea, but, these things start at $795.

For the price of Apple providing a PCI slot, I've just saved hundreds of dollars. If I wanted a mobile recording solution, I'd get a Firewire interface, but the lack of a PCI slot in Apple's "consumer" iMac prohibits me from buying a cost effective solution for "consumer" use.

On the PC side, I'd be downloading free multi-track software, and buying a PCI slot solution because it's the most cost effective.

I don't think I'm asking for too much from Apple by requesting an upgradeable single G5 computer. I'm ready to buy one and if Apple released one, I'd be one of the first people in line to get one. I think I could bring it to work, show it off to my co-workers and convince some of them to buy one. But, if Apple releases the iMac3 with soldered on monitor and closed box, I'm not going to be able to convice anyone I work with that they are a good deal. It's that simple. Give me a headless single processor G5 Apple!
post #548 of 698
Apples consumer line is not about the consumer, its about ego's and Apples art Dept making what they want. This is why consumers have fled from apples lame consumer offerings. They are not making what we want. sales prove this.
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post #549 of 698
How hard is it to make a cheaper single G5 box for the consumer?

Offer a single 2 gig G5 PowerMac for £995.

That would be a huge start.

Offer a 1.6 and 1.8 gig G5 white boxes for £695-895.

That would do.

Allow a commodity and graphic card market to develop.

Yeesh. It's already there. Apple only needs to provide a framework.

Apple could sell a white box with motherboard and cpu barebones and let the user configure the rest of the system themselves.

I'm sure there are plenty of PC unix, linux and windows users on the dark site who'd give the Mac Os X a roll of the dice if said affordable option was open to them.

It's about choice. ie can we have some please..?

It doesn't rule out the iMac g5 all in one. It is another option for those who do not want a soldered on monitor.

I think that said market is much bigger than 100,000K units the iMac 2 was selling at give or take the odd 20 K.

It's bemusing.

Surely Apple could sell even more towers to education and pros if they offered PowerMacs that were cheaper.

What's that? Single cpu versions? Hundred or so less for lack of dual cpu.

So you have £895 for a 1.8 gig G5

£995 for a 2 gig.

£1195 for 2.5 gig.

How hard is that? How expensive is that enclosure anyhow? Use white plastic for a consumer tower if they must...

Apple's 1,2,3 approach is nice and simple but far too limiting at times.

Witness the lack of 17 inch alu LCD display which would be really nice. Apple? Offers the dated acrylic version for the same whopping over price.

Look at Samsung. Offering better design on 17 inch and over with better specs than Apple's 17 inch acrylic.

Yeesh. Looking at some of the things in Apple's locker in a wider context leave you shaking your head in disbelief.

Apple doesn't have to be the wallmart price target.

But offer a goddamn choice of two or three graphic cards for your top end consumer machine when it's near to £2000 in price.

Offer a few single G5 tower versions close to the grand mark.

Put a box out that a consumer can configure. Apple can still sell it at the store.

How risky would it be to have a stylish, cheap white plastic ibook style box case with choice of cpu shipped, gpu...ram...hard drive...Apple can be their 'own PC mart'. Apple would still pass on the cost to the consumer.

Yeesh. They're making X-Serves and mp3 players. There's no reason to suggest Apple couldn't turn their hand to offer consumers a little more choice.

I'm confident that the gaming and enthusiast and linux and unix PC market is much bigger than the eMac/iMac 2 market.

I can't believe Apple isn't offering something to those 95%.

And they wonder why iMac 2 sales were crap.

Duh!

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post #550 of 698
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Apples consumer line is not about the consumer, its about ego's and Apples art Dept making what they want. This is why consumers have fled from apples lame consumer offerings. They are not making what we want. sales prove this.

Correct.

The 'ego' approach might work with iPod and iTunes.

But it didn't work with the Mac. It cost the Mac and Apple big time.

I'd have kept the Power Computing brand and offering 'configure to order'. White Apple box. Apple certified. Job done.

Choice. For the markets Apple is not covering.

Apple just aren't creative enough with the options a 5 billion company has.

An AIO from 545 to £2000 but non-AIO from £1400-£2200 is madness.

It's this disparity that is punishing consumer sales...and overall desktop Apple sales.

How Apple don't see this I don't know. Who wants to buy an iMac 2 that is crippled by a superior value for money but ugly eMac? Ugly or not? The eMac won...and won...and won...and won...yet price doesn't matter, does it?

No...wink, wink...it doesn't...does it...drones voice...choice doesn't matter, doesn't it...? Drone...drone...drone...AIO...lack of choice...lame graphics cards on £2000 computers....a-wooomm....a-woom...

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Apples consumer line is not about the consumer, its about ego's and Apples art Dept making what they want. This is why consumers have fled from apples lame consumer offerings. They are not making what we want. sales prove this.

Gasp! You're right! What ever am I to do, oh, swami? Save me from this pergatory I so wallow in!

Some of us have been around the block enough to find only humor in these kinds of posts. I hope it's fun for you too.

There are actually three reasons someone posts this sort of thing:

1. It makes the person feel better about him or herself... somehow. Don't ask me how.

2. The person is earnestly trying to convince people of their point of view, although he or she lacks talents of persuasion.

3. It's an elaborate experiment for an undergrad psychology course and involves posting under various alter-egos, this being one of them. (Ihis last one is more commonly known as Da TrUth TRaiN.)

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Check out the USA today story today, about how the iPod is really helping to open college-bound students up to Apple's laptop offerings. A college student is important to get to use the platform, because once they graduate and get a job, they will buy a computer, and probably the same kind as the one they used in college.
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Check out the USA today story today, about how the iPod is really helping to open college-bound students up to Apple's laptop offerings. A college student is important to get to use the platform, because once they graduate and get a job, they will buy a computer, and probably the same kind as the one they used in college.

Give me a break, a poor spec computer is a poor spec computer. Any student with half a mind will look and see that the othersides laptops are offering-video cards not soldered on stuff. The same student will research and find that while apple is using a 5 year old G3+altivec the otherside is using all kinds of stuff the fastest G5 would have a hard time matching. I wont even mention the gaming aspect and how sad it is on the Mac platform. So lets see i have a nice new ipod and iam going to run out and buy a G4 based laptop or lame imac? a few might but thats all.
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Originally posted by Aurora
Give me a break, a poor spec computer is a poor spec computer. Any student with half a mind will look and see that the othersides laptops are offering-video cards not soldered on stuff. The same student will research and find that while apple is using a 5 year old G3+altivec the otherside is using all kinds of stuff the fastest G5 would have a hard time matching. I wont even mention the gaming aspect and how sad it is on the Mac platform. So lets see i have a nice new ipod and iam going to run out and buy a G4 based laptop or lame imac? a few might but thats all.

Any student with half a mind would realize that hardware specs aren't everything.
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Originally posted by Aurora
Give me a break, a poor spec computer is a poor spec computer. Any student with half a mind will look and see that the othersides laptops are offering-video cards not soldered on stuff. The same student will research and find that while apple is using a 5 year old G3+altivec the otherside is using all kinds of stuff the fastest G5 would have a hard time matching. I wont even mention the gaming aspect and how sad it is on the Mac platform. So lets see i have a nice new ipod and iam going to run out and buy a G4 based laptop or lame imac? a few might but thats all.

No offense but isn't that the same as the Pentium II, III, III+HT theory. And what about Win95+NTFS+{lackof}security=WinXP?

Sorry, I just can't find any hard differences between the two.

Specs, shmecks, which one works for you? Go with that. Apple just has to impress upon people that Windows sucks for security, patching, robustness and application integrity. Really, they just have to show people Mac OS X and 95% of the argument goes away, now doesn't it. \
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Originally posted by Aurora
Give me a break, a poor spec computer is a poor spec computer. Any student with half a mind will look and see that the othersides laptops are offering-video cards not soldered on stuff. The same student will research and find that while apple is using a 5 year old G3+altivec the otherside is using all kinds of stuff the fastest G5 would have a hard time matching. I wont even mention the gaming aspect and how sad it is on the Mac platform. So lets see i have a nice new ipod and iam going to run out and buy a G4 based laptop or lame imac? a few might but thats all.

you are absolutely right: walking with a Dell Precision on campus will increase your changes to get laid before you're graduated...

those fashion victimised long legged good looking girls don't give a shit about looks and elegance all they care about is raw firepower.
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Originally posted by Aurora
Give me a break, a poor spec computer is a poor spec computer. Any student with half a mind will look and see that the othersides laptops are offering-video cards not soldered on stuff. The same student will research and find that while apple is using a 5 year old G3+altivec the otherside is using all kinds of stuff the fastest G5 would have a hard time matching. I wont even mention the gaming aspect and how sad it is on the Mac platform. So lets see i have a nice new ipod and iam going to run out and buy a G4 based laptop or lame imac? a few might but thats all.

Aurora,

This is happening already. School computer stores are reporting as much as a 20% uptick in sales of iBooks and it's the iPod that's pulling kids in. 20% is not a small number.

I looked at both laptops and I decided on a TiBook in 2001. I was a switcher before Apple started the switcher ads. Apple's laptop is much sleeker, has good battery life (the Pentium M has mitigated this factor on the PC sides), and has solidly reliable USB, Firewire, Ethernet & Wireless functionality. I'm so happy I had an Apple laptop when my campus turned on their wireless network. PC people have about 7 pages of instructions to crunch through while Apple users have 1/2 a page.

I could go on and on, but it boils down to this, Apple's laptops are more than the sum of their parts. PCs aren't, and for the most part this boils down to the OS in use.
post #559 of 698
Mac OS rules, thats a given. Mac hardware until the G5 powermac has been iffy at best when talking performance. There are actually some people that think about performance when purchasing a new machine. Since this is a imac thread lets talk imacs not powerbooks. ipods have been out for awhile now and they didnt do much to increase imac sales did they? why? Price vs performance&lack of expansion is why.
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The new iMac is not going to be last year's computer at $999, it's going to be next year's computer at $1299. I'll take that 1.6 or 1.8 GHz G5 and run, you guys can whine about BS expansion and graphics card speed, frames per second and photoshop mili-seconds, all while I'm using my computer and doing real work.

Video editing will be a dream on a G5 with a 17'' high res LCD display.
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