Originally posted by hmurchison
People still stuck in spec whore'dom?
I think most people are concerned about value for the money, this is where Apple has failed miserably in the past. This failure is reflected in sales.
RDF plain and simple. MOST of the Mac users I know don't have Macs as fast as a single 1.6Ghz G5 yet they still manage to survive. Some of you want a shotgun to kill a gnat. Speed of the computing only goes so far based on hardware alone ...we must take the OS into account as it will determine the realword speed differences.
One can manage to survive on bread and water, but that is certain death in the long run. The problem is that the effects of a bread and water diet sneaks up on you and suddenly you are struggling to remain functional and recover. Sure there are many people that survive with old hardware for a very long time, there are also those that discover all of a sudden that they are running software that is 4 or 5 versions old and they don't have the option of upgrading due to hardware constraints.
As far as speed goes the speed of the OS and the speed of the hardware are two different things. Fast hardware can go a long way to making a OS more functional. It is extremely silly to deny this. It doesn't matter if we are talking the same versions of OS/X or an entirely different platform -- fast hardware does make a difference. If you are running the same OS and faster performance is required, you have no other option but to address hardware issues.
The problem in the past and probally with the iMac3, is that Apple simply does not attempt to configure their hardware to support their OS in a manner similar to other platforms. One issue is the slow processors Apple uses which they have little control over. The other is the use of oudated technology on new platforms. Here we are talking about limited memory and poor or barely functional video cards. This hardware supports the OS, without it the OS can not function -- good fast hardware does impact usability of the OS.
Again you will soon see that if Apple hits $1299 with a 17" LCD these iMacs a hot seller they will be. Saying otherwise is science fiction. The avg computer user is not as savvy as many on these boards. 1.6Ghz is fast to them and the OS has much more than what they're used to featurewise. I see only chip yields from keeping this iMac off the best seller list.
Apple will have a hot seller if they address a number of issues beyond the price point. If they don't it will sell like the iMac2, that is to people with more money than brains.
As to the average computer user they are influenced by marketing to an extent but they are also aware of the performance of other hardware that can be had. A 1.6GHz G5 is not fast relative to an AMD64 implementation. comparable maybe but fast is not in the cards.
If you think you can be more productive with a PC running at 3Ghz then by all means prove us wrong. However, I doubt many of us will be dining on crow anytime soon.
If it was a question of productivity Apple would be selling a lot more hardware to the corporate world. It is prety plain and simple. Besides a 3GHz PC running Linux or other UNIX platform is an entirely different beast.
Apple's sales are stagnant and that's a plus because the sales were on the decline years ago before the Jobsian Resurrection.
First off Apples sales with respect the iMac are not stagnant at all, the recently went through a massive decline in sales. Are we out of touch here or what. Stagnant sales are a sure sign of trouble for any company, to try to paint this as a positive issue is foolish. Frankly the rest of Apples Mac hardware isn't doing all that great either.
Apple has more tricks up their sleeves and more aquisitions to make. This belly aching over the iMac specs is foolhardy and will be long forgotten soon enough.
Well I can agree that it is foolhardy to get to wound up in hardware that has not been delivered yet. On the other hand there is much in the way of historical evidence about how Apple behaves in the consumer place. Much of this behaviour has lead to their lack of visibility in that market place.
One must also remember that by the time this iMac3 hardware makes it to market, a whole new generation of PC hardware will hit the market place. The new PC hardware is liekly to support PCI-Express and the latest video cards operating on that bus. They are likely to have 4 times the installed memory and possibly dual core chips. If not dual core they are very likely to be running AMD's 64 bit extensions and at a very fast clip.
What we may very well see is a new iMac that is so foar behind what is available in the PC market place that Apple may have a total flop on their hands. MacOS/X is nice but it is not nice enough to sell Apples hardware failures.