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post #1 of 50
8/20/04 at 5:15pm
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Oil is hitting $48 a barrel and all Bush can do is throw mud at Kerry for vietnam that he dodged 30 years ago. A president is suppose to lead and the oil man Bush has done what? We know he is buddies with the Saudi's,yeah the same ones who blew up New York. what the heck is this president doing?
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post #2 of 50
8/20/04 at 7:45pm
Donny, you're out of your element.

And dude, AppleOutsider is not the prefered forum. Political Outsider, please.
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post #3 of 50
8/20/04 at 8:16pm
What would you have him do? Mess with the free market?
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post #4 of 50
8/20/04 at 8:20pm
I expect Bush and his buddies are getting very rich out of this?
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post #5 of 50
8/20/04 at 8:58pm
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post #6 of 50
8/21/04 at 7:09am
OK let's keep out of the politics in AO.

What I've wondered for the longest time is, why don't oil companies get in to solar, wind, hyrdogen etc? Oil is finite, you'd think that would just be good business sense. They should use their energy industry expertise to capture this new and upcoming market which will eventually replace them whether they like it or not.
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post #7 of 50
8/21/04 at 7:24am
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This could be considered politics but its not. this is a current event. Oil has hit $48 a barrel and George Bush is a oil guy & president. You would think a oil guy could do something wouldnt you? We know he is buddies with the Saudi's ruling elite & Oil companies executives, just as we know the automakers have gone around the epa rules for gas milage by calling SUVs trucks. What is this Oil president doing? these prices will effect everything. I just expected more from Bush in this area. no politics or spin. Oil is High and what is George doing if anything about it?
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post #8 of 50
8/21/04 at 7:25am
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What would you have him do? Mess with the free market?

You consider oil the free market? That's grand.
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post #9 of 50
8/21/04 at 8:10am
Considering OPEC I guess you're right.
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post #10 of 50
8/21/04 at 8:11am
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Considering OPEC I guess you're right.

That's exactly what I was thinking. Unfortunately the oil market is completely wrecked, but Bush is at least partially to blame. This war hasn't done what he set out to do with regards to oil prices.
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post #11 of 50
8/21/04 at 8:32am
Actually, the high prices are partly based on speculation on the futures markets (helped by fears over Yukos going down, trouble in Iraq, the referendum in Venezuela etc) and also on a very healthy growth in world demand (a 25% rise in demand in China, for example) which the oil producers are struggling to keep up with they've hit the limit of their infrastructure, and will need to do more to bring more production on line.

OPEC is probably quite unhappy with prices being as high as this they don't want to kill the goose that laid the golden egg as they nearly did in the 70s.

I don't think there's anything Bush could have done, except possibly have made a sensible investment in future energy production technologies.

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post #12 of 50
8/21/04 at 1:13pm
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That's exactly what I was thinking. Unfortunately the oil market is completely wrecked, but Bush is at least partially to blame. This war hasn't done what he set out to do with regards to oil prices.


When was it Bush's goal to lower oil prices by ending the rule of a brutal anti-Semitic dictator?
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post #13 of 50
8/21/04 at 2:13pm
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When was it Bush's goal to lower oil prices by ending the rule of a brutal anti-Semitic dictator?


hah! good one!
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post #14 of 50
8/21/04 at 10:18pm
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When was it Bush's goal to lower oil prices by ending the rule of a brutal anti-Semitic dictator?

Why would you be so dumb as to 'put words in my mouth'?
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post #15 of 50
8/22/04 at 6:43am
Labeling Saddam as a brutal anti-Semitic dictator would be putting words in your mouth.
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post #16 of 50
8/22/04 at 7:19am
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Labeling Saddam as a brutal anti-Semitic dictator would be putting words in your mouth.

Yet another lie from the peanut (brained) gallery! Get it? Peanut brained gallery? Man, I'm GOOD at this!

OK, the lie part is real but the peanut brain thingy is a joke. I know it's not funny, but sometimes that's funny too.
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post #17 of 50
8/22/04 at 10:38am
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post #18 of 50
8/22/04 at 10:42am
Where is Bush? On his ranch watching football I think.
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post #19 of 50
8/22/04 at 11:27am
I imagine he's watching NASCAR instead of football.
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post #20 of 50
8/22/04 at 1:48pm
But you all rather he manipulate the oil market?
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post #21 of 50
8/22/04 at 2:39pm
He's been manipulating it for years - just never in favor of lower consumption or lower prices.
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post #22 of 50
8/22/04 at 5:03pm
I thought we wanted higher oil prices anyway. Wouldn't that reduce consumption and be better for the environment? Plus it will help us "get off foreign oil"? So what's the complaint?
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post #23 of 50
8/22/04 at 8:14pm
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I thought we wanted higher oil prices anyway. Wouldn't that reduce consumption and be better for the environment? Plus it will help us "get off foreign oil"? So what's the complaint?

Don't you get it...

If W doesn't help with oil prices, then he is evil and cares not for the poor American people.

If he does attempt to help, he is evil because he has oil ties and is willing to use them to help the poor suffering American people.

This whole thing proves he is evil either way, so let's just stick with that, it's easy.
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post #24 of 50
8/22/04 at 9:10pm
GWB was never successful in the oil and energy business. (Think about that for a second.) Miserable failure comes to mind. So, I don't think you can call GWB an "oil man". There's really nothing in the short run that can be done since the expanding economies of the world will only increase demand on a limited supply. Oh, in hindsight, I supposed he could have not invaded Iraq. The instability from the occupation is also part of the increased oil prices. Just imagine if he did the polar opposite and made Iraq our ally again! The crude could really be flowing as we speak.

In the long run, what he could have done however was get on an energy efficiency and alternative energy crusade to reduce demand on crude. The $200G that went into Iraq could have easily been the funding needed to get America going again with a new market. Subsidies for new homes, old homes, new buildings, old buildings, solar, wind, tidal, natural gas, hybrids, biomass, more efficient and flexible power grids - money in the hands of virtually all Americans. High tech jobs to boot!
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post #25 of 50
8/22/04 at 11:00pm
Bush's silence speaks volumes. Blind conservatives just can't understand that.
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post #26 of 50
8/23/04 at 6:32am
*hideous, evil, laughter*


Are any of you REALLY trying to tell me that GWB is controlling, or somehow has control, of ANY world commodity market?


*hideous, evil, laughter*

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post #27 of 50
8/23/04 at 6:40am
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*hideous, evil, laughter*


Are any of you REALLY trying to tell me that GWB is controlling, or somehow has control, of ANY world commodity market?


*hideous, evil, laughter*

I thought GWB was a big dummy. How could a big dummy know what to do in these kinds of situations?
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post #28 of 50
8/23/04 at 6:50am
No! It's the people pulling Bush's strings. Get on message!
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post #29 of 50
8/24/04 at 9:33pm
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I don't think there's anything Bush could have done, except possibly have made a sensible investment in future energy production technologies.

That's a big "except possibly."

Oh and why hasn't Bush done anything? Like use the National Oil Reserve? Because he likes these high prices. Why? Dick Cheney is still on Enron's payroll. And Bush has some good ol' boys friends in the industry. Helen Keller could make that connection.

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post #30 of 50
8/25/04 at 4:55am
That's a slander. I defiantly do NOT drive a pontiac. Ugliest cars on the road!
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post #31 of 50
8/25/04 at 10:23am
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That's a big "except possibly."

Oh and why hasn't Bush done anything? Like use the National Oil Reserve? Because he likes these high prices. Why? Dick Cheney is still on Enron's payroll. And Bush has some good ol' boys friends in the industry. Helen Keller could make that connection.

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how much did your car cost?
you pay more for fucking milk than gas. people complaining about oil prices are dipshits. You want to see things change? Buy fuel efficient cars, use mass transportation, walk, ride a bike. But to complain that gas is 2 bucks a gallon is fucking dumb. Americans are spoiled. Notice: You can't have everything you're way.

Yea, dip into the National Oil reserve to save a few cents on each gallon.....that's genius.
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post #32 of 50
8/25/04 at 11:45am
I don't think there's anything anybody can do about the price rise, because it seems to be structural - too much growing demand, not enough extra supply. Given what even the OPEC folk are saying, it wouldn't surprise me if we never see a barrel of oil drop back down to $20. Releasing the NPR can only help with short-term spikes, which this isn't. I think Bush & Co. know more about the situation than most consumers, and they 1. Are continuing to fill the NPR, rather than releasing it, 2. Aren't publicly whipping the Saudis to do anything (even though they could score big points in an election year), and 3. Are trying to mention the whole price run-up as little as possible. Oh, and 4. Invaded an oil-rich country under what turned out to be a false pretext. Maybe this belongs in Peak Oil instead of this thread, but draw your own conclusions.

At the same time, it does seem irresponsible that they're not talking about it, or preparing American consumers or the American economy for it, or making freedom from oil a national priority.
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post #33 of 50
8/25/04 at 11:53am
I'm down for more. Once oil hits 200 bucks a barrel then we can start seeing some quality shit hitting the fan or wind turbine as the case may be.

If prices get near 60 that may be enough of an annoyance on consumers and drag on the economy that Shrubbery will take it in the ass come November.
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post #34 of 50
8/25/04 at 2:01pm
Liberals want the cost of oil down so they can tax gas higher.
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post #35 of 50
8/25/04 at 2:15pm
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Liberals want the cost of oil down so they can tax gas higher.

Hehe...

In conservative christian socialist Norway, one of the biggest oil exporters in the world, gas costs a bit more than 1$ per liter.

(edit: thats close to 4$ a gallon)
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post #36 of 50
8/25/04 at 3:13pm
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That's a slander. I defiantly do NOT drive a pontiac. Ugliest cars on the road!

The GTO is damn awesome. And it gets pretty solid highway mileage. . . It's much better, actually, than european cars with much weaker engines, and when you tend to carpool on your 5 mile straight-shot to work, the price of gasoline doesn't matter too much anyway.

Moving on, Florida just dropped its gas tax, so the price of gas actually went down. I love this state.
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post #37 of 50
8/25/04 at 6:21pm
oil, Bush, prices, Saudi Arabia . . . .

Let's not forget that prices are set to go down drastically just before the election

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8/25/04 at 6:59pm
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The GTO is damn awesome. And it gets pretty solid highway mileage. . . It's much better, actually, than european cars with much weaker engines, and when you tend to carpool on your 5 mile straight-shot to work, the price of gasoline doesn't matter too much anyway.

Moving on, Florida just dropped its gas tax, so the price of gas actually went down. I love this state.

Okay. I'll give ya the GTO. At $36K you can get two for the price of one similar (but still a bit better) euro sedan.
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post #39 of 50
8/25/04 at 7:10pm
I guess the sky ISN'T falling, prices seem to be trending down now.

Oh well.

Maybe Bush did save the day.
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8/25/04 at 8:49pm
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I guess the sky ISN'T falling, prices seem to be trending down now.

Oh well.

Maybe Bush did save the day.

Let me repeat . . . wasn't it in Bob Woodward's book where he said that he had it on authority from a Saudi?

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