Originally posted by addabox
It was not one of the chief contentions.
The chief contention of thread was, obviously, that the swift boat veterans are lying. A secondary contention was that they are being aided and abetted in this endeavor (if not outright organized and funded) by an orchestrated republican smear machine.
So you are seizing on minor point because you couldn't support your absurd claims vis the original thread.
Yes well except those two contentions were never proven. The "proof" was one donor and one flyer.
Laughably, those are "proof" and you somehow seem to think I am dealing with "minor" points.
False. But is your thread about liberals bashing Dole's war record or some theory you have about what would have happened if Clinton had used 527s?
Pretty thin ice, when you're reduced to speculating about how the dems might have behaved as badly as the right wing smear machine if only they had the mechanism.
Actually the original contention from Northgate via the Boston Globe was that "No one in 1996 questioned that record." I proved that assertion completely wrong. The speculation was about differences between now and then brought up by members here. Others began harping that although it was critical it wasn't national. I mentioned differences like no bloggers, (no Talking Points Memo for example which was already quoted here today) no mainstream use of the web yet, no 527's, no Drudge, CNBC, MSNBC, or even Fox News.
In otherwords it is like talking about elections before and after television came onto the scene. Eight years ago might not seem like forever but let's just say that there wasn't an AppleInsider to discuss this on back then.
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Well, a least you're getting closer to the truth of the matter: that the whole swift boat thing is payback for what Kerry did after the war. The unnerving thing is that I get the impression that you approve of lying to smear an enemy.
The lying was done by Kerry. You can look at my sig to take note of what he said about the soldiers still fighting there after he left. Even Kerry has backed off those statements and said they were to strong. He hasn't apologized though.
I'll tell you what Adda, Kerry admitted to commiting these atrocities as well. Kerry has a full book out on his war heroics. Can you find me a source anywhere that tells what atrocities Kerry committed?
From a self-inflicted purple heart to Christmas in Cambodia, Kerry has lied through his teeth about Vietnam in both his own actions and those of the men and women there.
The only bar that's moving is your constant conflation of the swift boat lies with the status of 527s with the desperate effort to find a way, any way, that you can claim that all this shit is somehow reciprocated by the left, which I guess in your mind makes it OK.
You are aware that SwiftBoats is a 527 right? You were the actual person who claimed that the $100k donation by a well-known Bush fundraiser fingered them as working for Bush. You were the actual person who claimed the guilt by association. I simply showed the same associations (but to the tune of millions of dollars) on the left. I even did so at your request/challenging.
The reasoning there is yours. If you don't like it, then stop alleging it with regard to Bush and SwiftVets. If it is "shit" then the shit flows both ways.
Now here we go, the usual effort to bury the actual points of contention in this kind of torturous knotting of what you actually have asserted and what others have actually asserted.
I didn't bury them. I simply repeated back what North was asserting. If North disagrees with my assessment, he is welcome to clarify what he claimed. North asked if the piece in The Nation wasn't justified since Dole was promoting his war record. Are you somehow claiming that the same wouldn't be true for Kerry?
Which would be pertinent if you had ever managed to show how Kerry "used" his Purple Hearts to "come home early". Are you saying that he engineered his wounds? It wouldn't surprise me in the least at this point, you seem to have come completely untethered from anything resembling reality.
Kerry used three and out to get reassigned. Are you denying that? Kerry repeatedly requested his first purple heart and had it treated by a medical professional to apply bactine and a band-aid. According to the medical records, the third purple heart was awarded for a bruised arm. Kerry claimed a second mine hit his boat and caused the shrapnel in his buttocks. There is no record of damage to his boat or of repair for a mine going off.
Rassmann said that he has always believed that Kerry got the third Purple Heart solely for the injury to his arm as a result of the explosion in the water.
Can you find any other swift boat veteran who took three and out Adda? Find me anyone else. Find me someone who requested reassignment for injuries that required band-aids and never required them to miss a day of duty.
You find one other person and I'll at least question the assertions about Kerry, but so far he appears to be the only person to have done it. He ignored the spirit of those rules and bent them in his favor from the get go in order to be able to leave early and come how to make a name for himself accusing others of crimes.
Dole never did that. As a result Dole doesn't have a group following him around analyzing what he did since he didn't accuse anyone of war crimes. Dole didn't come home and say, "My officers knew about and commanded me to commit atrocities." If Dole had done that, you can bet that people would be looking into his background.
As they say, don't cast stones when you live in a glass house. Kerry started chucking rocks back in 1972-73. Dole never disparaged his fellow veterans.
Edit: Confused Adda and Pfflam