Originally posted by midwinter
And so you're saying there's no way to find out how much money Bush-supporting/Kerry-bashing 527s have spent in the past 8 months? Then where did this come from:
Well there are these people who have these things I like to call money, time and research assistants. They go to these groups, research which way they lean, see what they have spent via published documents, and draw conclusions.
This... came from a source that did that. If you don't believe they did that or care to question the source, that is fine. (if fact it is pretty much standard practice around here when people don't like the message)
But the reality is that I don't have time to do that. That is why I, like you often look at and frequent sources that do have time to do that. If you cited the N.Y. Times and I didn't like their conclusion, I couldn't expect you to go do the research yourself. Well I could, I just doubt you would be willing to spend the time and money to do so.
And by the way, the quote you used exposes the silliness of your earlier point about how 527s are "supposed to be non-partisan." Sure they're supposed to be. But they're not. They can't officially endorse a candidate, so they have to bash the one they don't endorse.
Back to the gist of my question: how much money have 527s spent attacking Kerry in the last 8 months?
I don't have an exact dollar number. I can tell you (and you can tell this at Open Secrets as well) that all the largest 527's are Democratic leaning and also appear to give large donations to each other, likely to dilute some very, very large donations by a few individuals. Peter Lewis and George Soros are the biggest names who appear to have sprinkled at least $25 million or so among the various 527's who have then donated it to each other in various regards.
Here's the list of the 20 largest donors.
You tell me how many of those look like they lean right? If you want to take the time assign them left and right and total the amounts.
Here's a list of the top fifty 527 committees. The first one I would consider right learning in that group is the College Republican National Committee with expenditures of close to five million. The total expenditures of all the left leaning groups above that group total $150 million.
So we can argue that X% vs Y% might have been spent but the reality is it isn't even in the same league. The entire budget of the largest right leaning group isn't even a big as the donation of Soros to Moveon.org
Think about that for a second. The entire budget of that largest right leaning 527 doesn't even match the Soros donation to Moveon. Now when you consider Lewis also made a five million dollar donation, when you consider they also donated up to $10 million more to other 527's, etc. It just isn't in the same league. Even it were matched up for time frame and every other variable, it couldn't be in the same league.
Now we look up Bush and fund raising.Bush disclosure
We see Bush has raised $240 million dollars. Do you honestly think that if he controlled the SwiftVets that he would have given them so little money or started them off so late? It just doesn't make sense. I mean there isn't a way to prove common sense, but the point is that this group has got Kerry on the run and no one would have underfunded or held off a resource like that. It would be like having video of Bush snorting coke and giving a couple people who sold it to him $100k to go advertise the fact after Bush is already up by 10 points. You would give them millions and have then hit before there was any momentum.
BTW, can you sort out the Kerry page for me? I would love to know what all that "other" is about.Kerry
I mean since you support him, I can ask you to do the research right?