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any news here, kormac?

What ever happened to Angrymac? Was that his name? He always used the Graemlin with his posts.
Anyway, I believe in you Kormac, if you are the real deal. If not, you're a jerk.

Kormac, many think the iWalk is an elaborate fake. Let us not talk about it.

Instead, let's talk about Quicktime 6, MPEG4, the new iMac, HDTV and the possibility of a new display.



[ 01-04-2002: Message edited by: Nostradamus ]</p>

Any information on the iBooks or the PowerBooks?

Wouldn't a 667Mhz G4 seem a little inadequate in comparison to a dual 1.6GHz G5?

I'm also not sure Quicktime 6 is ready yet. Perhaps Apple will release a "public preview" at MWSF?

[ 01-04-2002: Message edited by: Nostradamus ]</p>

[quote]Originally posted by kormac77:
<strong>Part2

Steve is showing the many new function of iMac.

- It is OSX based for reason!-He will tell it later.
- You can watch HDTV ( 720P mode: 1280 x 720 )on it.
- You can watch TV program from all over the world using new MPEG-4 based internet TV which is using QuickTime 6.

- And with Gigawire, You will be able to control many new digital device for the HOME appliance which will be coming from many company. He introduce SONY, SAMSUNG as their partner !

- It might have new audio connector which is Dolby surround mode ?

Steve say that " We have showed iPod and there will be more to come. And iMac is the THE Home network server for Digital Hub.

Everybody think it is O.K but not that much!
Where is the beef?

Than Steve begin to talk about use of G4 in iMac.

Steve: Now you know that we used G4 for iMac. Then what should we do for PowerMac line ?
IT will be G5 base from Now!

All the function of iMac II plus this.

- it will have new Case.
- It will have two Raycer chipset for faster Rendering on 3D: Now we know Raycer chip can be multi-process capable.

- It have AGP x8 and 4 slot of PCI-X slot. More difference is that it use New super fast Bus architecture that each PCI-X slot can have Maximum data pass.

- The final announcement is that:

Steve: we had MHz fighting with other CPU. Now no more! low one is 1.2GHz, Middle one is 1.4GHz, High one is 1.6GHZ. AND......

All in Dual CPU configuration!!.

-We have to help Moto's sales to keep up with their CPU production to continue!

Part3 will come tommorow!.

P.S.: If you read old KORMAC76 post, many of this function was there 7 month ago!

[ 01-04-2002: Message edited by: kormac77 ]</strong><hr></blockquote>

There is no 8xAGP. nVidia is using AGP 6x on their new nForce mobos.
Apple never seems to use the LATEST technologies. We still don't have ATA133 ferchrissake... it took almost a year before Apple had AGPx4.

I can only think of G4 in iMac if G5 WILL come out. But even then... G4 is too damn expensive. It would cost as much or maybe even more than the LCD screen alone. I last recall G4s costing about 3-400$. Just an LCD plus G4 would cost Apple about 5-600$. Then there is the casing, mobo, ram, hd, optical drive, etc. No way.

Would Apple dare to make their own graphics processors and dump ATI/nVidia etc? It might seem like a good idea in the short term, but then it means that Apple will have to CONTINUE to spend in grpahics R&D and basically we will have to pay more for something that certainly will as fast or faster made by 3rd partys.

Raycer was bought for their intellectual capital, not the hardware.

Anyway, this is just alll WAAAAAAY out there. Wishful thinking, yes, but waaaaay out there.

[quote] Apple never seems to use the LATEST technologies. We still don't have ATA133 ferchrissake... it took almost a year before Apple had AGPx4. <hr></blockquote>

Didn't the geforce3 get introduced at a mac event?

firewire sure did. Airport was real early. gigabit ethernet... etc.

[quote]Originally posted by ZO:
<strong>
There is no 8xAGP. nVidia is using AGP 6x on their new nForce mobos.
Apple never seems to use the LATEST technologies. We still don't have ATA133 ferchrissake... it took almost a year before Apple had AGPx4.
</strong><hr></blockquote>

Oh, but there is. Straight from NVidia's site regarding the nForce feature list:
[quote]AGP4X/8X Port
External discrete graphics support. Allows the user to add a higher-end graphics card to the IGP for high-end gaming and multimedia performance.<hr></blockquote>

If you're going to revamp everything, why not do it right?

No i**** v2? What about this iWalk thing? Is that a fake?

Well, if Apple were to release what Kormac is saying, then surely the hype is well placed. In fact, no amount of hype could be enough.

Yet, I somehow doubt it. 1.6GHz G5s, dual, means singlehandedly, and overnight, taking the lead in performance AND achieving GHz parity with AMD... A G5 at the same clockspeed as an AthlonXP would definitely trounce it, and trounce the best PIV available. This would be unprecedented. It's what Apple needs, but I doubt it.

Kormac, would you mind answering Mandricard's question a bit higher in the thread?

[quote] - You can watch HDTV ( 720P mode: 1280 x 720 )on it. <hr></blockquote>

Hold on a sec....who out there really wants to watch HDTV on their iMac?! I mean c'mon, have you seen the size of the HDTV's they sell in Circuit City? I can't say that I've seen one that's only 15"! This just does not seem like a feature that people will ever use....

rr.

Haven't you guys ever heard of cold reading: when psychics play back the information you've already given them gussied up as some kind of ther-worldly knowledge?

Kormac is doing the same thing here. i****? Please. Can you get more non-descript than that? Now someone else has filled in the blanks (be it fake or real) *with the iWalk* and some of you are crediting it to Kormac. Even if we go back to the old posts, and you must read the whole threads to get a feel for it, you see the same pattern. Lots of non-descript stuff, latter filled in by other readers or other web sources, and then confirmed upon Kormac's cloak and dagger return.

At some point (like he's done in this thread) he took to adding the 'perhaps not yet' stipulation. Here in the form of "what will Steve show later if he shows it all now".

It is a hall mark of psychic devination -- the event may come at any time in te future. It is nondescript enough, yet nearly always a major life occurence of some kind. Births, deaths, changes in social, personal, and business relations, etc... THESE THINGS HAPPEN TO THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE. When they happen to the individual who has been subjected to the reading they incorrectly associate the event with the cold reading because of the psychic's skill in creating the drama.

The process is highly transportable. To marketing, and market analysis especially. Look it up, see how well most market analysts fair (even ones with excellent reputations) next to both lesser knowns and total random selections. You'll be surprised, a lot of people are paying way too much for their brokerage services.

But it is perhaps no where more applicable than to the world of technology and rumor (about technology). Nothing rushes forward as fast as technology, but in the way that (especially consumer) technology rushes forward is the real key. It moves very quickly to meet the desires of the public/market. Just about every major computer world development was forseen by a whole host of people, and then also in the form of wishes by a very large buying public, before it ever was credited to whatever market luminary now enjoying those recognitions. Unlike other indutries, where outlandish predictions might quickly be shot down, it is much easier to find the balance where technology is concerned simply because it will most likely catch up to your dreams and speculation faster than you consciously expect.

Kormac has played this game very well, created/exploited the appropriate drama, but he has not offered anything that was earlier and generally concieved by a very large virtual community.

To have genuine insider info you need incontrovertable proof: pictures, exact dates and specs, clear expressions of concept, where that concept is genuinely new -- in short, testable propositions. Kormac has not exhibited any of these things, but has often implied that his info is genuine inside information. It is not. It is just specially packaged (and actually quite general) speculation passed off deceitfully as something more.

Or to say, in much shorter form, every one already knows what tech companies are trying to do. To say that Apple wil also do this is just to state the obvious. To state the obvious in a careful open ended way, allows a plethora of quite different future developments to fit the prediction. To give enough time for the event to happen is (in the world of technology) a guarantee that it will. It amounts to, neither prediction nor inside information, just non-commital discussion disguised to look like those things.

[quote]Originally posted by Matsu:
<strong>Or to say, in much shorter form, every one already knows what tech companies are trying to do. To say that Apple wil also do this is just to state the obvious. To state the obvious in a careful open ended way, allows a plethora of quite different future developments to fit the prediction. To give enough time for the event to happen is (in the world of technology) a guarantee that it will. It amounts to, neither prediction nor inside information, just non-commital discussion disguised to look like those things.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I disagree. There are some unique predictions in Kormac's post this time, and best of all we only have to wait 3 days to verify:
-multi-processor Raycer chips
-Sony as partner (we've always heard as Sony-as-competitor)
-dual G5s across the line

Matsu, I'm really amazed that you put the amount of effort you do into trying to debunk Kormac's posts. It's as if you take it personally or something. NOTHING is worth that amount of time/energy/stress. Just chill and enjoy the fun (life IS fun for you, is it not? If not, there are drugs available: Prozac, Wellbutrin, Ecstasy, Viagra...)

Matsu,

Please keep this civil. We have all repeatedly read your opinion of Kormac, and there is no need to repeat what you have already said.

There are no sycophants here, just folks interested in hearing what Kormac proposes. I for one find his discussions fun and interesting. So, rather than ad hominem attacks and credibility attacks, why don't you just treat this, as do the rest of us (I think) as speculation. There is no need to stifle what could be an interesting discussion. If it bothers you so, there is a simple solution: do not read the thread.

I think you have interesting things to say, and I, for one, would prefer to hear your ideas about Apple's hardware etc. than your ideas about fellow posters on these boards.

Respectfully submitted,

Mandricard
AppleOutsider

Kormac,

Are you thinking of the old Apple-SGI rumors, or do you think it is something new, like Adobe?

Good to have you back on the boards, if indeed it is you.

Mandricard
AppleOutsider

I think that post was quite civil actually. Now this does have some specifics, and there are only three days till verification. But a few caveats still exist: There is still the ever present 'maybe it's for later' issue. G5's can be caught under this umbrella because firstly they are on everyone's radar, and secondly if they don't materialize it can fall neatly into the 'maybe for later' argument.

Sony as partner is the only thing of substance. Yet even this is rife with hedged specu-speak. 'Gigawire' -- nobody's really certain what this is. Is it the next version of Firewire, or something to do with HAVI? That would neatly incorporate the HDTV stuff. However HDTV 720p is not beyond the capabilities of most computers. Unless I see a tuner built in, I assume this refers only to a connection spec. (There are no HDTV DVD's to play back on such a system, and won't be for quite a while yet) If so, then it's nothing that hasn't alredy been suggested widely on the internet in general. Also if so, Sony and others who promote the standard are default partners in the sense that they all support it. Sony was also a big backer of firewire before anyone else (Apple excepted of course). Sorry nothing new here. Lots of companies are invovled in multiple digital conection standards groups. HAVI, firewire, USB, etc... All jostling for future position. How does this make Apple and Sony Partners? What is the EXACT nature of their partnership? Or what exactly is Gigawire for that matter?

As usual, there is still nothing of substance from Kormac.

Forgot another major one that neatly falls into the 'maybe later' specu-speak.

Raycer. Well duh, they bought them for something, and those engineers are certainly working on something that will eventually be used by Apple. Who exactly has't been mentioning this for the past year? If it's due, lets see something exact. There are quite a few members who've been saying "It's coming, it's coming" Eventually something will come, EVENTUALLY they'd be right. Let's have something a little more verifiable please.

Matsu,

None of the posters on these boards who have ever been thought to have any credibility (e.g. Dorsal, Codename, WorkerBee, Belle, THT, etc.) have ever offered anything "verifiable."

It seems that there are other ways to discuss Kormac's posts without simply clamoring for more facts. K offers interesting speculation, pure and simple, and perhaps you would be well served to regard it as such. K no longer asserts he has any inside information, if you have read his more recent posts, simply ideas for discussion.

If you were to discuss the ideas put forth, and not simply a person's credibility or originality, it would make the reading of the boards more pleasant for myself for one, and I suspect others. Also, it would be a shame to shout him off the boards yet again, for he always kick-starts interesting discussions.

Mandricard
AppleOutsider

Well put, Mandricard. As usual, the inimitably succulent voice of reason.

"Right"? "Wrong"? Inside info or speculation? I'm not keeping score. I prefer to see the amazing breadth of imagination that the posters to this board can supply. I mean, that's what draws me to Apple in the first place -- its ability to innovate and thereby create an environment for others to be creative. Isn't that what it's all about?

[quote]There is no 8xAGP. nVidia is using AGP 6x on their new nForce mobos. <hr></blockquote>

WTF? What are you talking about? 6x?

uh. Listen, you don't have to believe Kormac, or even read what he says, but babbling stuff like that doesn't make you any better.

i may be off base here a bit, but:

macintosh hated Mastergating
but then
macintosh was mastergating

matsu hates kormac77
so then is....
matsu really kormac77?

it could become fashionable to create two personas and argue back and forth with each other...g

I agree too. I forget what the dude's name was, but some guy basically figured out the entire raycer chip debacle about a year ago, through reason and logic. His SPECULATION provided great insight.

And for the love of god, people, please read up on that speculation before saying Raycer chips will replace nVidia's graphics boards. Of course they won't. They are a co-processor, with one specific function.

Also, if there ARE dual G5s and two racyer chips in each powermac, I hope to god you get off Kormac's case.

UMA2 is almost here... I can almost taste it...

UMA2=

raycer graphics co-processor, for Aqua and OpenGL

Airport on the motherboard, no longer optional

Much faster bus speeds, at least in the pro line

Kormac mentioned some video (MPEG) chip nicknamed Domino

Anything else? We'll see.

Hmm, I think that Nostradamus is kormac77.

[quote]Originally posted by iGil:
<strong>Hmm, I think that Nostradamus is kormac77.</strong><hr></blockquote>

You're not the first. Many used to think this because I was the first who "discovered" Kormac's old posts from circa fall-1999 correctly predicting in detail the Kehei iMacs and the Cinema display.

What's so bad form about it?

I have been adressing the content of the threads as they all come from Kormac, and they say something about the persona with which he posts, and the quality of the rumor. You say it's inside info, and I say it's just carefully crafted speculation. It is far from personal attack.

Kormac did not in detail predict any iMacs at all. Good-Better-Best in his estimation were to arrive with different sized LCD's at different price points. We're still waiting on those LCD's. And, in the on-going "is it or isn't it, wait it must be for next time" that has become the i**** saga why don't we remember how completely off base all portable and PDA/sub-note info has been. The toilet seat iBook was to have been a svelte P1 sub-note. HAHAHAHA!!!

This is hardly babling, it is an accurate look at the track record, people. And the track record isn't good.

If dual G5 PMs arrive, how would that in anyway validate Kormac? That info began elsewhere, and Apple has a history of releasing DP machines. That ain't rocket science, figuring that one. Raycer too, everyone's been talking about them since the aquisition. Something is bound to come, but when it does it'll be a case of technology catching up to expectation, and not a case of insider leaks. READ, then RE-READ, my little discussion of cold-reading, it's the best analogy for the 'appearance' of insider info.

Kormac is qualitatively different from both Worker Bee (who posted exact product shots) and Dorsal, who gave exact specs for the quicksilver machine. 867 and DP800, ATA 66, same RAM, the cache system, etc... People didn't want to hear it, and perhaps it was no more than an evolutionary bump that was easily predictable, but they were EXACT proc speeds and Mobo specs BEFORE moto or anyone had released any info about 867 G4s. Kormac has NEVER provided exact specs or even remotely close product descriptions of either iMacs or iBooks or i**** whatevers BEFORE they were released. I find it funny how people who can read so un-critically automatically interpret reason as attack.

If any of you, or Kormac, or anyone else, want me to "get off Kormac's back" as you so put it, that's, my Korean friend, an easy request satisfy. All you have to do is quit the cloak and dagger baloney and either produce exact details that can be verified, or come out and say this is just speculation on your part, and then make ABSOLUTELY NO ATTEMPT to paint it as otherwise. If you read the UBB agreement it explicitly states that you ARE NOT to post information that you know to be false. Speculate? Sure. But let's not have any more BS about your 'insider' status.

[ 01-04-2002: Message edited by: Matsu ]</p>

Ya' all need to get off the K-Man's back! I think he does have some insider info., and has been right on a few things.

Glad to see you back Kor!

[ 01-04-2002: Message edited by: Merlion ]</p>

Arghhh!!! Matsu bangs head against wall

[quote]Originally posted by Matsu:
<strong>Arghhh!!! Matsu bangs head against wall



</strong><hr></blockquote>

Matsu - Is Kormac any different than Macintosh? Except that Macintosh was caught and enjoyed the notoriety?

Well, I guess not, except Kormac reads the tech pages a little more carefully, and is more disciplined and cagey with his posts. It's fun speculation, don't get me wrong, but it isn't and hasn't ever been, even remotely close to actual Apple product announcements. It irks me to see people talking about how he nailed this or that when clearly the stuff he talked about in no way resembled what was delivered.

[quote]Originally posted by Matsu:
<strong>Well, I guess not, except Kormac reads the tech pages a little more carefully, and is more disciplined and cagey with his posts. It's fun speculation, don't get me wrong, but it isn't and hasn't ever been, even remotely close to actual Apple product announcements. It irks me to see people talking about how he nailed this or that when clearly the stuff he talked about in no way resembled what was delivered.</strong><hr></blockquote>

He did nail the Cinema Display right on.

Ah-a-a...

Not so fast. The existence of the panel sizes, aspect ratios and res was known before Apple announced a Cinema Display. It doesn't take too much -- do you guys remember Mean Jean Oakerland? -- 'testicular fortitude' to step out on that limb. Manufacturers were making them for someone to use, why not Apple?

Like I said. He reads the tech pages well, but it hardly ammounts to insider info. What was happening to the 21" CRT studio display? Had there not been revisions of the 15" Studio LCD already. A good leap, but still a logical one. Now all the major players have comparable panels. It was just one of those "matter of time" moments. From time to time (especially with an agressive innovator like Apple) developments show up sooner rather than later, but on the balance of it the record is still bad. Anything he's talking about now, was assured for a few Keynotes in a row and didn't materialize. The stuff that has, has either been mentioned elsewhere, or just plain wrong. The most recent addition to the keynote ploy, has been the suggestion of special events. But Apple has itself told us that they would use more special events. With important software in need of complimentary hardware, it is, again, not more than reasonable expectation for something to be given a special event over the next months. The info shows a very distinct pattern of using only what is already known/expected. And again this is always protected with a 'maybe for the next show,' or 'it isn't ready' or 'they're refining the concept' type of suggestion.

I'm with you Matsu. I read all the old Kormac threads even way back to the "I know real C2 spec".

I have to give him credit for that one, but after that I haven't seen anything come to fruition.

Sometimes I think the "bad english" thing is fake in itself.

Every MacWorld its the same thing, "here come Steve big plan" -- after keynote: "woop maybe nex time, don't know why went wrong, maybe not ready".

See I can fake bad english too.

Me fail english? Thats unpossible!

kormac's a dead man after the keynote. he is clearly dreaming and no insider at all. you'll see. funny what an accent can make.
ok, everything he said will be true at one moment in time, but not in three days. we all know what he'll say if his list isn't *quite* accurate...

c'mon... <img src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" />

it's fun to speculate though

[quote]Originally posted by kormac77:
<strong>Part2
- It might have new audio connector which is Dolby surround mode ?

- it will have new Case.
- It will have two Raycer chipset for faster Rendering on 3D: Now we know Raycer chip can be multi-process capable.

- It have AGP x8 and 4 slot of PCI-X slot. More difference is that it use New super fast Bus architecture that each PCI-X slot can have Maximum data pass.

Steve: we had MHz fighting with other CPU. Now no more! low one is 1.2GHz, Middle one is 1.4GHz, High one is 1.6GHZ. AND......

All in Dual CPU configuration!!.
[ 01-04-2002: Message edited by: kormac77 ]</strong><hr></blockquote>

Okay, perhaps it's just me but doesn't anyone else think that G5's across the board might cut into apples profit margin just a bit on the low end machines? I mean, you have to figure that the G5's will cost more then the G4's & then add an additional processor onto the bottom line, DDR Ram & 2 Raycer chipsets? All this for say $1699? That seems highly unlikely (I don't think Apples going to raise the price of the PM even higher, especially in this economy). I would love if he's right, but I find it highly unlikely.

Kormac77 Just for fun, why don't you tell us a little more about "It might have new audio connector which is Dolby surround mode". What would this connect to? It'd obvoiusly have to be digital. USB, Firewire, Gigawire?

[quote]Kormac77 Just for fun, why don't you tell us a little more about "It might have new audio connector which is Dolby surround mode". What would this connect to? It'd obvoiusly have to be digital. USB, Firewire, Gigawire? <hr></blockquote>

i think he means SPDIF. it's about time!