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post #41 of 441
Come on guys, what's wrong with you? It's good enough for most of us. It was never intended to satisfy everybody.

Though, of course, the choice of the video card can raise questions. Personally, I don't like slot-loading drives, but nothing else would fit there anyway.
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post #42 of 441
Everyone please let me know where to send you a box of kleenex so you can blow your noses after you are done whining.

Sheesh.
post #43 of 441
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Originally posted by honeytoast
no 8x superdrive! the emac even has an 8x superdrive. wtf. read Tech Specs says at the bottom of the page

Please realize that this new iMac probably uses a laptop-style optical drive, whereas the eMac uses a full-sized drive of the type more typically found in a desktop computer. I don't think there are any 8x laptop superdrives, but even if there were, they could add a lot to the overall price.
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post #44 of 441
Hahahaha

Jonathan "That's the ugliest machine" Ives ever seen.

WTF???

Step in to my office...
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post #45 of 441
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Originally posted by onlooker
how are kids going to play DOOM 3 on that?

Oh, wait, Apple says that you can. Now the question is how .
post #46 of 441
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No Firewire 800. That's too bad.
post #47 of 441
No surprise, its a nice sweet little computer for old ladies. I went to the web site and no video upgrade path. Then Apple talks as if its a gaming powerhouse with sit down while you read "FX5200" with a whole 64mb on board. Without a video option this thing will not appeal to the young crowd. The old unit i liked better. FX5200 cost Apple $16 per chip. so you have a $1300 plus machine with $16 video. oh well guess i did the right thing ordering Alienware. Anyways it has a clean design but by forcing all that heat into a little area it makes sure its not much of a performer.
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post #48 of 441
I am part of that "young crowd" and I absolutly love it! Can hardly wait to order mine.
post #49 of 441
The 20 is the only model that has improved. G5 or not, 17" screen or not, the two 17" models still cost too much. However, I'll have to check the edu prices before I make a real determination. Rumor has it that the edu prices are almost what the retail prices should be.

Slower laptop grade slot loading drive. What were they thinking? 256MB of RAM ? 80GB HDDs ? These should both be double att he prices Apple is charging!

The machine isn't even as pretty as the old one, or as functional. So they loose the aesthetes. It costs too much for switchers. The iPod marketting tie in better be intense, otherwise it doesn't stand a chance.

BTW, now more than ever, are we in need of a DVI pass through hack.
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post #50 of 441
The new iMac is defiantly cool looking and the form factor is a major plus (Me Want). I wish they would of done something else with the video card though, thats the only factor as to why Im not buying. I like games a lot; at work I can give two shitts what video card is in my machine, even if it had that intergraded Intel thingy. This is a home machine; it needs to have the latest multimedia, video and entertainment technology period, especially for a price of $2,253.00 (wireless, Bluetooth, 1gigmb upgrade, which are a must).

Its a shame to because I really like the look, Apple stop crippling your consumer technology!

Heres to hoping the next update has a better video card WITH FUCKING SPANNING and not just miring.
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post #51 of 441
I'm waiting for the uk edu prices to show up
might have to sell the PS2 to get one lol


If not theres always the now slow looking eMac
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post #52 of 441
I actually really like the new G5 iMac. I was hoping for an aluminum encasing, but I am glad they broke up the white with the silver base (I think a brushed aluminum Apple Logo matching the base would have tied it all in nicer than the gray one, but that's just me). I am however horrified that the keyboard and (Mickey) mouse hasn't changed. If you don't want a two button mouse, at least give us a damn scroll wheel!

These are the most obvious problems that are going to keep me from grabbing one now:

- The video card is positively horrendous and there should at LEAST be a 128mb version in the 20" model (or at least a BTO upgrade like on the PowerBooks). Something like the ATI Radeon 9600/9700 128MB would have been nice for the 20" as standard. These can run in Notebooks so they can run in the new iMac.

- 4X SuperDrive? You can't be serious? With up to 16X out there I would have assumed that Apple can do better than 4X. Even notebooks are getting 8X now so if there is a PowerBook like (thin) SuperDrive in there, they should all be 8X (as should the next PowerBook update). Aren't they all 24X base in terms of spinning speed? If vibration is a concern, will an 8X SuperDrive spin any faster than a 4X?

- It's a first run - first revision. I usually like to wait until the second revision so Apple can address all the issues in the beta release (ie: Revision A) and upgrade the weaker specs that may be noted in coming reviews (unless of course, it's reviewed by a Mac site or Mac magazine).

Seriously though, why does Apple always skimp? Skimp on the low end to keep the price point, but offer the goods (and the ones I suggest are nothing to scream about and middle-ground anyway) on the high-end.

Oh well, hopefully the next iMac G5 revision will address the above issues and add a few nice little upgrades - and that's when I'll bite. I wonder how long I'll have to wait?
post #53 of 441
Has anyone got the UK price for the no modem/CD model?
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post #54 of 441
i likes it very much.

Im gonna start saving up for one as soon as i can....hopefully get one by the time rev.B is out.
post #55 of 441
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Originally posted by Relic


Heres to hoping the next update has a better video card WITH FUCKING SPANNING and not just miring.


not going to happen. spanning is for pro machines. not for consumer. live with it...
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post #56 of 441
now more than ever I want a headless mini G5!!!

Is it too much to ask for a mini tower that I can upgrade the GFX / DVD / HD whenever I want?

I can't fit (or afford) a G5 tower in my living room, but I'd pay £900 for a single 2GHz G5 with upgradable GFX.

post #57 of 441
Like i said before apple skimps on the low end to get you into the high end.
So it looks like all their computers are now coming out of China? no more made in America.
If Apple had a small cube like minitower with a video upgrade path that wasnt priced as powermac(ahem) they could get a boatload of switchers.They are stuck into this all in one mind set. did they learn anything from the last imac sales? the answer is no. soldered on video at 64mb is weak these days but it looks like Apple has decided what the consumer needs. not what they want. Their test audience must be little old ladies that never owned hardware.
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post #58 of 441
Patchouli, I completely agree with you. I was really waiting for this, foregoing an opportunity to grab a Dual 2ghz at a discount. I live in a fairly modest Apartment and I need all the space I can get. This little iMac would have complemented it properly. Dammit I like to game though and Im not going to buy this thing just so I can bang my head against the table every time Halo and Doom III slows to a paltry 5 frames a second. You asked the right question, Seriously though, why does Apple always skimp?. A 2000 thousand dollar machine is not just a consumer product give me the goods!
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post #59 of 441
I think these new iMacs are damned nice. I have one of the new 23" monitors on my Power Mac, and I love how these new iMacs have so much of the elegance of the new Apple monitors -- with the added bonus that the whole computer fits inside the display. An all-aluminum body might have looked even better, but at least from the pictures, the white body is attractive in its own right. I can't wait to see a G5 iMac in person.

For all of you bitching about the price, it wasn't too long ago that I paid $1300 for a CRT G4 eMac. If you'd stop and think about the progress Apple has made compared to its own line up, and not compare everything to the bland Dell bargain boxes you might get at the same price, you'd be duly impressed. Yes, to buy one of these iMacs you have to be willing to pay a premium for style, and for the computer simply being a Mac running Panther, but in my book that's well worth it. Hell, I don't even need a new Mac, but I'm trying to think of an excuse to buy one anyway. I suspect I might just have to update the aforementioned eMac for someone's Christmas present this year.

I won't argue that this new iMac is a great "switcher" system. It might grab a few new Mac customers, but now the heavy, bulky G4 eMacs, which are at least closer to the price range where most new-to-Mac buyers would start, look even less attractive by comparison, and I think Apple needs something new in the under-$1000 category even more now to draw in new customers.

I think Apple might even have had something new to update or replace the eMac by now, but they're being held up waiting for a better G5 supply or an enhanced G4. I don't know if Apple will ever make the cheap headless Mac that so many think might expand Apple's market share, but I'm sure they must have something in the works to fill out the low end of there product line better than the current outdated eMacs do.
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post #60 of 441
There is an interesting analogy between the iMacs of first and third (just announced) generation. In the two cases, it is just a display with the guts of a computer, each one in its own age (CRT vs. LCD).
post #61 of 441
WOW, I was really really wrong. I would never have thought it would look so much like the displays.
post #62 of 441
Shetline, Its really not even about the money. I would of happily paid an additional 100 -200 dollars extra for a BTO video option. Apple consistently mangles the tech in their consumer line to preserve the professional essence in Powermacs. Crap like video miring only, two-year-old video cards, memory that could starve a PocketPC and lack of new tech like Firewire 800.
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post #63 of 441
The machines sold for 1300-1500 in the Wintel aisle offer a substantial increase in graphics power, base RAM, base HDD, all the same I/O, significant internal expansion options, and a display of equal quality.

The entry level lacks a superdrive
RAM and HDD sizes are half of what they should be
The AIO probelms remain
The video card is somewhat substandrad for the price, it's fine, but given that you can upgrade it ever...
FW800 is missing -- Apple should be moving all their machines to the fastest available firewire, expecially AIO's

It's got a SLOW laptop optical -- fvcking ridiculous!
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post #64 of 441
Othello,

That's the thing though; I don't have to deal with it because this thing will be hacked in a month or two by a kid. So then why does Apple purposely cripple their video cards that obviously have the ability to do spanning (say's so on NVIDIAs website) and knowing that people are just going to change it back to its original manufacture spec later.

Oh, sorry, because I have to deal with it. Gotch Ya.
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post #65 of 441
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Originally posted by Relic
Othello,

That's the thing though; I don't have to deal with it because this thing will be hacked in a month or two by a kid. So then why does Apple purposely cripple their video cards that obviously have the ability to do spanning (say's so on NVIDIAs website) and knowing that people are just going to change it back to its original manufacture spec later.

Oh, sorry, because I have to deal with it. Gotch Ya.

because apple has always made a conscious split between the consumer and pro with spanning. not saying i agree but they won't change it
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It's beautifull! and here's how mac gamers like me will Doom 3. On low settings.

You mean low settings at 640 x 480. no wonder John Carmack said its going to be awhile because Doom3 cant be experienced on Macs like it was ment to be played. Apple should be ashamed at using the cheapist P.O.S video in all its desk top lines. FX5200 will keep many buyers away.
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post #67 of 441
Well Thinksecret was dead-on as usual...unfortunately. No good graphics cards and only 1.8 Ghz.

That said, it just looks...wow....I can't believe they got a G5 in two inches. Very impressive.
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Originally posted by Relic
Shetline, Its really not even about the money. I would of happily paid an additional 100 -200 dollars extra for a BTO video option. Apple consistently mangles the tech in their consumer line to preserve the professional essence in Powermacs. Crap like video miring only, two-year-old video cards, memory that could starve a PocketPC and lack of new tech like Firewire 800.

If it's not about the money when it comes to the video, then what about the RAM? Just spend $70 a third party 512 MB stick and you'll have 768 MB -- or maybe $140 and have 1 GB, if memory has to be in matching pairs.

It does bug me that Apple deliberately cripples the capability for video mirroring -- it'd be one thing if they saved money this way, but I don't think they do save any, they just kill mirroring for "product differentiation".

At any rate, it's not enough of a problem to stop me from getting a G5 iMac or recommending one. As for the video: Look. This will never be a gamer's dream system anyway. Even with all of the whining the 64 MB FX 5200 generates around here, I really doubt that Apple would create any significant increase in sales with better video or upgradable video. I have no problem with the video myself, but then again, I'm not into gaming or FPS bragging rights.
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post #69 of 441
John Carmack meant it cant be experienced well on mcas since it's not optimized yet. So if you got a G5 tower with a decent card it should play fine.
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Originally posted by little mouse
This'll be great for sales. All of those people who like the ipod will upgrade to this, it's just as cute as the ipod. Also for the first time since the original, you can say it's a cute computer.

Actually, I kinda think that's a good strategy on Apple's part. I think they saw my numerous posts about using the iPod to sell computers, and I think it worked.
post #71 of 441
By the way, are the iMacs available for immediate shipping or is this going to be another show the dog the juicy steak then chain him within 1 foot of reaching it.
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post #72 of 441
BS.

You need to spend about 200USD to take the RAM and HDD sizes into competitive territory.

A 17" iMac with a spec comparable to the competition will then cost 1500-1700 !

That's unacceptable.
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post #73 of 441
It's kinda OK I suppose \

Looks like I was on the money in Temporary Insanity ...

"1: New iMac G5? For sure! Totally new form factor. People will go nuts about its "beauty" and drool over it for a week or so then the whinging will start..."its too slow, can't upgrade it, not enough RAM" etc, etc..."

I want a G5 Powerbook!!!
post #74 of 441
1GB DDR400 SDRAM - 2 DIMMs *UPGRADED
160GB Serial ATA drive
AirPort Extreme Card *UPGRADED
Bluetooth Module *UPGRADED
Keyboard and Mouse + Mac OS X - U.S. English
20-inch widescreen LCD
1.8GHz PowerPC G5
SuperDrive (DVD-R/CD-RW)
NVIDIA GeForce FX 5200 Ultra w/64MB video memory


Subtotal $2,253.00

Wow, hook me up!
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post #75 of 441
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It's a non-portable PowerBook G5! Great! That's just what the midrange desktop market wants

Take it positive. Though it is the best proof for the soon to be revealed Powerbook G5!!!
Well, finally, though Apple figured out to fix heat issues of that G5 beast, IF they are able to create that AIO iMac... gooood for me.
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post #76 of 441
My $0.02.

Pricing seems good.

I'd really like them to offer the no optical drive edu-model to the public. Many folks are not going to be thrilled with the side mounted drive. Get a nice third-party DVD-burner to slip underneath. (As long as it works with iDVD.)

Video mirroring only on external monitor. Come on, Apple. The graphics card has plenty of power to drive a second monitor for semi-serious video editing and those that like lots of screen real estate. I have two monitors at work and it's very nice.

Graphics card: Yes, it's funny that Apple touts the power of the GPU when anyone with a clue knows it's a lame-o card (compared to a full-blown desktop card). I can only guess this is to appeal to the ignorant parent buyers. Apple really doesn't care about the gamer market. They crow about how much faster the new iMac is compared to the old one. Guess what. The old one was really slow. And few self-respecting gamers have the $$$ to step up to a PowerMac, much cheaper to get an Winblows box. Oh well. I just hope Apple isn't dumb enough to actually believe the iMac is a graphics powerhouse.

Optical audio: Nice. Will be interesting to see how Apple starts using the 5.1 capabilities. (Surround sound system beeps?)

It puts a clear performance gap between the laptop and desktop line. I think this is a good thing. But I don't think this machine will make PowerBook buyers too happy. They're now paying a $1000+ premium for a slower machine with the same screen resolution - but with DVI out, and FW800.

Not a bad machine. Not great, but not bad.

- Jasen.
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Originally posted by MajorMatt
John Carmack meant it cant be experienced well on mcas since it's not optimized yet. So if you got a G5 tower with a decent card it should play fine.

True but since this is a imac thread does anyone think Doom3 will play on this without stuttering? there are plenty of reviews of how Doom3 looks on FX5200 on faster PCs and it isnt pretty. Apple could have least thrown in a mobility 9700 or something. not even a option for better video? 64 mb is pretty old these days. I will confess for the non gamer its very sweet.
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post #78 of 441
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I want a G5 Powerbook!!!

You and me both brother.
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post #79 of 441
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Originally posted by Relic
You and me both brother.

Damn right! Something thats properly portable and a lot nicer to look at. Keep your new iMac, I wouldn't mind going into debt to get a Powerbook G5
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Oh, wait, Apple says that you can. Now the question is how .

Uh...you don't need a high-end rig to run Doom3, it's just the elitists that say that Doom3 is only worth playing on Ultra settings. Doom 3 will run fine on a 5200 on Low settings, and before you laugh, these are what low settings look like:



Also, for people who don't like the new iMac's looks: look at a Quicktime VR first. Seriously, the photos don't flatter, but the VR does.
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