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What will happen to the all new imac when OS X Tiger comes along?
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Originally posted by nguzman
What will happen to the all new imac when OS X Tiger comes along?

By Spring 05, it'll be the old iMac and everyone will be going crazy wondering what will be in the new iMac. As for Tiger, the iMac will run it fine. Any iMac G4 and above will run it fine.
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Originally posted by THT
By Spring 05, it'll be the old iMac and everyone will be going crazy wondering what will be in the new iMac. As for Tiger, the iMac will run it fine. Any iMac G4 and above will run it fine.

...and iMac G4 and below will run it quite fine.
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post #4 of 29
my 466mhz ibook runs Panther just fine..
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I am running Tiger on a G3 400MHz powerbook and it runs well.
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Originally posted by GreggWSmith
I am running Tiger on a G3 400MHz powerbook and it runs well.

How come you have Tiger?
post #7 of 29
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Originally posted by nguzman
How come you have Tiger?

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post #8 of 29
I think Tiger will increase 64 bit optimization which will only improve the performance of the G5 iMac. By the time it comes out there will also be more 3rd party software available, or nearing completion, that will utilize the G5 potential. A lot of third party development will be motivated by the demand for the G5 iMac, especially in a competitive market.

I have a feeling that everyone will be very surprised at the performance bump for the G5 iMac when Tiger is released.
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post #9 of 29
Yeah, now that the PowerMac isn't the only Apple computer with a G5 in it, I do agree that we will start to see many more G5-optimized applications.

Mike
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It is not just the improvements to Tiger as an OS that will be helping out the G5. The hope is that Apple will upgrade to a significantly improved GCC compiler suite. If they rebuild the entire software package, that comprises MacOS/X, we are likely to see across the board performance inprovements.

G5 and the G4 are likely to benefit. So while 64 bit optimizations may have a place and could potentially offer improvements, we are likely to see significant gains even on older hardware.

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Originally posted by kenaustus
I think Tiger will increase 64 bit optimization which will only improve the performance of the G5 iMac. By the time it comes out there will also be more 3rd party software available, or nearing completion, that will utilize the G5 potential. A lot of third party development will be motivated by the demand for the G5 iMac, especially in a competitive market.

I have a feeling that everyone will be very surprised at the performance bump for the G5 iMac when Tiger is released.
post #11 of 29
I think Tiger should have been included with the new imac or at least a voucher so you dont have to spend £99 to make it run how it should
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post #12 of 29
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Originally posted by imac600mhz
I think Tiger should have been included with the new imac or at least a voucher so you dont have to spend £99 to make it run how it should

What do you mean run like it should? It does run like it should, running apple's very latest OS offering, just like every other machine they sell.

I imagine you'd get a lot of ticked of people if apple included their developer preview OS and have it crashing folks computers all the time
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post #13 of 29
Yeah, probably an obvious thing, but by time Tiger comes out the newer computers will come with it..depends if you want the computer now or if you want to wait for Tiger..

Didn't the G5's first come out with Jaguar on it?
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post #14 of 29
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Originally posted by jwill
Didn't the G5's first come out with Jaguar on it?

Yes, but with a $29 update coupon.

The iMac G5 won't have that, unless you buy it early next year.
post #15 of 29
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Originally posted by wizard69
It is not just the improvements to Tiger as an OS that will be helping out the G5. The hope is that Apple will upgrade to a significantly improved GCC compiler suite. If they rebuild the entire software package, that comprises MacOS/X, we are likely to see across the board performance inprovements.

Tiger will come with gcc 3.5, which will indeed bring significant performance enhancements.

However, Spotlight will slow things down at least a little bit.
post #16 of 29
JUST FMI, WHEN IS TIGER DUE OUT?
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Originally posted by Ptrash
JUST FMI, WHEN IS TIGER DUE OUT?

The official timeframe for Tiger to be released is the "first half of 2005". That's all we know.

Everyone seems to be expecting that to be around April/May - reasoning being if it were before then Apple would have announced "first quarter of 2005", and any later then they risk missing their announced window with even the tiniest slip.

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post #18 of 29
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Originally posted by Chucker
Tiger will come with gcc 3.5, which will indeed bring significant performance enhancements.

That's nice if you're writing applications...

What I'd like to see is OS X compiled entirely with IBM's compiler!

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post #19 of 29
If were are lucky Tiger will come at the fourth anniversary of Mac OS X.
So it will be out on March 24, 2005

edit :: wrong year
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post #20 of 29
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Originally posted by Tom Mornini
That's nice if you're writing applications...

What I'd like to see is OS X compiled entirely with IBM's compiler!

IBM's XL C/C++ Compiler

Well, IBM doesn't provide compilers for ObjC and ObjC++ that I know of.
post #21 of 29
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Originally posted by Chucker
Well, IBM doesn't provide compilers for ObjC and ObjC++ that I know of.

You'd think there would be a preprocessor to take ObjC into C?
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Originally posted by Scott
You'd think there would be a preprocessor to take ObjC into C?

If anything, it would take ObjC into C++, I guess, since C lacks object-orientation. But since the syntax of ObjC is just so entirely different, I don't think it'd be easy to accomplish.
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Originally posted by Chucker
Well, IBM doesn't provide compilers for ObjC and ObjC++ that I know of.

At the moment there is only a "technology preview" with a bit of luck by the time tiger is out maybe there will be a full implementation. Fingers Crossed.

The speed boost to the system should be spectacular if Apple compiled the whole OS with these compilers.

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Technology Previews -_OpenMP C/C++ V1.0 APIs and Objective-C
XL C/C++ includes a technology preview of OpenMP support._ OpenMP is a specification of industry-standard_APIs that support symmetric multiprocessor programming in C, C++, and Fortran. These APIs provide a simple and flexible interface for developing shared-memory parallel applications on any supporting platform.


XL C/C++ has been extended to support using the Objective-C programming language_to write_to the Cocoa frameworks.
post #24 of 29
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Originally posted by Chucker
If anything, it would take ObjC into C++, I guess, since C lacks object-orientation. But since the syntax of ObjC is just so entirely different, I don't think it'd be easy to accomplish.

Just so you know, the original objective-c compiler used to preprocess Obj-C into C code, Obj-C 'object' code all goes to a single function call with a method message and parameters.

Code:

[object methodaram];



turns into

Code:

objc_msgSend(object, methodid, param);



is the actual call that gets called. I believe gcc still does something like this internally, with better inlining etc. As an adjunct the IBM XL compiler has beta support for ObjectiveC compiling.

There is a Objective-C++ which allows a combination of Obj-C and C++ inside a single object. I haven't used it much though.
post #25 of 29
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Originally posted by nguzman
What will happen to the all new imac when OS X Tiger comes along?

what do you think will happen???? if you want tiger, you'll go out and buy it and put it on your iMac G5. And that's about it. I guess I dont understand the point to this thread.
post #26 of 29
Yeesh, it will run it just fine.

Quicktime will be better.

Support, even for the lame 'Ultra', will be better for the GPU.

GCC 3.5 should make things faster 'en general.

64 bit increasingly optimised.

Add 2 gig of ram...and you won't care either way.

Make a great Photoshop machine.

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post #27 of 29
Don't forget the debug code!

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post #28 of 29
i have a ibook g4 panther and g3 slot 640ram with 10.2 so what should i do, upgrade the g3 to panther, and when tiger comes out will panther then be at discount or just use my panther cd from my ibook to upgrade my g3

when is it not worth going tiger???
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post #29 of 29
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Originally posted by MPMoriarty
Yeah, now that the PowerMac isn't the only Apple computer with a G5 in it, I do agree that we will start to see many more G5-optimized applications.

Mike

The PowerMac wasn't the only Apple computer with a G5 in it.

The XServe has been powered by the G5 for some time now.
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