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This is the best you could do?


No, I can do better but I have speak at your level of hate driven understanding.
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post #82 of 125
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Originally posted by ghost killa
You said you read the Bible. Why do you need to ask me?

Because you started this thread. I know how they were treated and ultimately eradicated.
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post #83 of 125
Why the Fuck are you arguing about what Jesus said, what labels Islam has given you, what the OT says.

Do Yourself an intellectual favour, and go and find out If All these religions are based on ancient pagan Sun-Worship. Because when you get to the Crux of the matter, It doesn't make the slightest bit of difference what any of these books say.
post #84 of 125
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Originally posted by MarcUK
Why the Fuck are you arguing about what Jesus said, what labels Islam has given you, what the OT says.

Do Yourself an intellectual favour, and go and find out If All these religions are based on ancient pagan Sun-Worship. Because when you get to the Crux of the matter, It doesn't make the slightest bit of difference what any of these books say.

You've had an axe to grind about this for some time now haven't you.

PS I disagree. Religion went through a fundamentla change when it transitioned from multiple childlike gods to a single all powerful being.
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post #85 of 125
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Originally posted by faust9
I keep mentioning them because I know you're a jew but you don't want to address the evils committed by your religion against other cultures.



No, you don't know that, because I haven't told you that. You can guess, but I think I'll keep you guessing.
post #86 of 125
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Originally posted by faust9
Because you started this thread. I know how they were treated and ultimately eradicated.

How do you know?
post #87 of 125
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Originally posted by faust9

Religion went through a fundamentla change when it transitioned from multiple childlike gods to a single all powerful being.

Yes, It became murderous, bigotted, backwards, and deceitful and sent human progress back a thousand years.

But its the same pagan story. The only difference is the names and the loss of understanding that it was allegorical.
post #88 of 125
This is a hateful thread full of racism and it should be locked.
post #89 of 125
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Originally posted by Hassan i Sabbah
This is a hateful thread full of racism and it should be locked.

Why can't we be a little critical of Muslims/Islam? You certainly don't have any qualms when it comes to criticizing Christians/Christianity or Jews/Judaism.
post #90 of 125
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Part of the Taqqiya you been practicing on this board?
post #91 of 125
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Originally posted by ghost killa
Part of the Taqqiya you been practicing on this board?

Mika, do you sometimes feel like you are being watched?
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post #92 of 125
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Originally posted by New
Mika, do you sometimes feel like you are being watched?

Ok. What's the deal with this Mika thing? You all attend the same mosque?

post #93 of 125
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Originally posted by Hassan i Sabbah
This is a hateful thread full of racism and it should be locked.

Yes.
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post #94 of 125
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Wow, could it be that the big media is finally be getting it? Is Satan ice skating? Maybe one day reality of Ikwan will begin to dawn on the NY Times.


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In suburban Bridgeview, Ill., some moderates say they quit attending the Mosque Foundation because the leadership became too conservative and dominated by Brotherhood members.

Documents obtained by the Tribune and translated from Arabic show that the U.S. Brotherhood has been careful to obscure its beliefs from outsiders. One document tells leaders to be cautious when screening potential recruits. If the recruit asks whether the leader is a Brotherhood member, the leader should respond, You may deduce the answer to that with your own intelligence.


Islamic state a long-term goal


Brotherhood members emphasize that they follow the laws of the nations in which they operate. They stress that they do not believe in overthrowing the U.S. government, but rather that they want as many people as possible to convert to Islam so that one dayperhaps generations from nowa majority of Americans will support a society governed by Islamic law. Muslims make up less than 3 percent of the U.S. population, but estimates of their number vary widely from 2 million to 7 million.

Federal authorities say they have scrutinized the U.S. Brotherhood for years. Agents currently are investigating whether people with ties to the group have raised and laundered money to finance terrorism abroad. No terrorism-related charges have been filed.

Former leader Elkadi, who has been questioned at length by federal authorities about the inner workings of the Brotherhood, says the group has served Muslims in the United States well. He personally helped establish an Islamic community in the Florida Panhandle, with a mosque, school and health clinic. And though he eventually lost it alleven his medical licensesome Muslims still view him as a great Islamic leader.

Islam is for everyone, he says. Its good for America, good for Muslims too. . . . Its good knowledge, and good knowledge should be available to everyone.

Mohammed Mahdi Akef, head of the international Muslim Brotherhood, based in Egypt, lauds Elkadi and the activities of the U.S. Brotherhood.

They have succeeded in saving the younger generations from melting into the American lifestyle without faith, he says. They have saved their children.

Read the whole thing.
post #95 of 125
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Originally posted by ghost killa
Why can't we be a little critical of Muslims/Islam? You certainly don't have any qualms when it comes to criticizing Christians/Christianity or Jews/Judaism.

It's one thing to be critical of Islam. It's another thing to be as hateful of Islam and its adherents as you are.
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post #96 of 125
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Originally posted by rampancy
It's one thing to be critical of Islam. It's another thing to be as hateful of Islam and its adherents as you are.

Get off that tired horse. You're not going to stifle the truth any long with that tactic.
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post #100 of 125
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Originally posted by Hassan i Sabbah
This is a hateful thread full of racism and it should be locked.

The fossils don't fit your world view Hassan?

I think it is funny that "so many" here on the one hand love to bash Christians and yet on the other hand can't face the truth about Islamic terrorism that is going on in every corner of the world by nutjobs.

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post #101 of 125
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Originally posted by Fellowship
I think it is funny that "so many" here on the one hand love to bash Christians and yet on the other hand can't face the truth about Islamic terrorism that is going on in every corner of the world by nutjobs.

Do you mean the crazy Japanese that tried to spread anthrax? Or the unibomber? Or maybe it's the kidnapping Columbians you're referring to? Or maybe you're wrong?
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post #102 of 125
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Originally posted by bunge
Do you mean the crazy Japanese that tried to spread anthrax? Or the unibomber? Or maybe it's the kidnapping Columbians you're referring to? Or maybe you're wrong?

No I was talking about islamic terrorists.

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post #103 of 125
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Originally posted by Fellowship
No I was talking about islamic terrorists.

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Fellows

Oh, those terrorists. So not all or even most terrorists, like Scott was saying.
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post #104 of 125
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Abdel Rahman al-Rashed is the general manager of Al-Arabiya News channel. Wake me up when his "reporters" start turning in terrorists posing for their camera crew. Same goes for the BBC News crew and the rest of the terror enablers that the Saudis subsidize.
post #105 of 125
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Originally posted by bunge
Oh, those terrorists. So not all or even most terrorists, like Scott was saying.

Scott is right. I'd be more than happy to provide you with a long list of specifics that you never hear about on Crescent News Network or the other leftist big media.
post #106 of 125
Yeah, those monotheism have certainly sucked when it comes to killing or tyranizing and stealing from in G-d's name.


And come to think of it . . . . those old-school polytheisms were pretty bad too.
and pantheisms

. . and Ghengis Khan was a Buddhist, which isn't a theism at all, yet still gets classified as a religion

and geeze, atheisms of different stripe have also been really terrible: Communism probably killed more than anybody in the 'Godless heathen' front, Capitalism kills its fair share, good old oligarchies do their part too.

Hm?!?!

Perplexing . . .

I wonder if the followers of Diogenes the Dog ever did anyone in?
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post #107 of 125
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Originally posted by Fellowship
The fossils don't fit your world view Hassan?

I think it is funny that "so many" here on the one hand love to bash Christians and yet on the other hand can't face the truth about Islamic terrorism that is going on in every corner of the world by nutjobs.

Fellowship

I have no patience for you any more.

I'm not bashing Christianity when I point out that Creationism is totally fucking stupid. Creationists are a minority of Christians, thankfully. They don't speak for Christians.

So, bash terrorists. Bash away. They're totally fucking stupid and they don't speak for Muslims any more than stupid fucking Creationist idiots speak for Christians. But if you start saying that Islam is a terrorist religion and all Muslims are potential terrorists, as PC^Killa / Mika is, I will defend Muslisms and I'll call you a racist.

Do you understand now?

Mika should be banned again. This thread should be locked. If I said some of the things about Jewish people that Mika has posted in this thread about Muslims I WOULD BE FUCKING BANNED. It appears that the new policy with regard to moderation in this forum is that anything goes, but if I want to engage in this shit I get my hands dirty and I ain't doing it.

By the way, Fellowship, nice work defending Mika. You should be fucking ashamed of yourself.
post #108 of 125
Just quoting someone doesn't make it true.

The modern term terrorism, originates from the time around the french revolution. And is clearly a "western" term.

Terrorism has many forms, but may be divided into two main categories.

One is used by people who are fighting with agianst a much stronger power. It's effective where normal warfare is not an option. This form is often confused with "sabotage" nad "guerilla warfare" which belongs to the same branch of tactics but is not used for the same purpose.

The second is the terror used by an oppressor or superior force to quench oposition and resistance. Here we find "state-terrorism" often, but not always linked to the policies of a totalitarian regime.

The first, "underdog" form was amongst others pionered in modern history by jewish militants palestine. But has been used by many organisations all over the world, for instance the PLO (arab), IRA (catholic), ETA (basque), Baden Meinhof (communist), Combat 18 (nazi) and so on.

The second form of terrorism was in modern times probably driven to its most extreem form of "state-terrorism" in nazi germany. But can be found all over the world, like current Zimbabwe and China, Belarus and Saudi Arabia, (and many, many others).

Non of these methods of terror has any special over-weight of use by arabs or muslims. Not historically and not now. If you think there is an overweight of islamist terror in the world, You've been reading to little and to narrow material.
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post #109 of 125
And, btw, I totally agree with Hassan.
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post #110 of 125
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Originally posted by Hassan i Sabbah
I have no patience for you any more.

I'm not bashing Christianity when I point out that Creationism is totally fucking stupid. Creationists are a minority of Christians, thankfully. They don't speak for Christians.

So, bash terrorists. Bash away. They're totally fucking stupid and they don't speak for Muslims any more than stupid fucking Creationist idiots speak for Christians. But if you start saying that Islam is a terrorist religion and all Muslims are potential terrorists, as PC^Killa / Mika is, I will defend Muslisms and I'll call you a racist.

Do you understand now?

Mika should be banned again. This thread should be locked. If I said some of the things about Jewish people that Mika has posted in this thread about Muslims I WOULD BE FUCKING BANNED. It appears that the new policy with regard to moderation in this forum is that anything goes, but if I want to engage in this shit I get my hands dirty and I ain't doing it.

By the way, Fellowship, nice work defending Mika. You should be fucking ashamed of yourself.

Freedom of speech. Something I value more than your "opinion".

I have said nothing racist.

Let me ask you this Hassan.... is discussing Islamic terrorism that (does go on in this world) off the table here at AI in your opinion?

Why is that?

As for
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I have no patience for you any more.

This is lame. I could care less what you think. I think on my own.

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Ever hear of the "Identity Church" or "Christian Identity"?

Does existence of this particular group of racist terrorists mean all Christians are terrorists, or even prominently terrorists? Of course not.
post #113 of 125
Good God, are you trying to misread what I said?

Yes, it's fine to discuss Islamic terrorism. Of course.

No, it's not fine to talk about 'Eurabia' and claim that Islam is a terrorist religion and that all Muslims are potential terrorists.

Should I just copy and paste this fifteen times? Would you understand me then?

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originally posted by Fellowship
I could care less what you think. I think on my own.

Here, look at this fossil.
post #114 of 125
We are not just discussing muslim terrorism here, we are also apperantly discussing the muslim plot to overrun the west in the comming years.

I saw the leader of the german national socialist party (a nazi) on yesterdays news, his words very closely resembled ghost's.
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post #115 of 125
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Originally posted by Hassan i Sabbah
Good God, are you trying to misread what I said?

No, it's fine to discuss Islamic terrorism.


ok, That is all I did in my posts and you jumped all over me with all kinds of language.

scroll up and look.

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post #116 of 125
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Originally posted by Fellowship
I could care less what you think. I think on my own.

No you don't, and you never did. That's the hard lesson everyone here had to learn.
post #117 of 125
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Originally posted by bunge
Oh, those terrorists. So not all or even most terrorists, like Scott was saying.

I wasn't saying it. I was quoting someone else.
post #118 of 125
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Originally posted by Scott
I wasn't saying it. I was quoting someone else.

You put it in the thread, you said it here. You didn't quote it in your post. They're your words in this thread even if you plagarized them.
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You put it in the thread, you said it here. You didn't quote it in your post. They're your words in this thread even if you plagarized them.

Are you playing dumb here or what? I quoted someone with a link and the person that wrote it. Stop playing games.
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Are you playing dumb here or what? I quoted someone with a link and the person that wrote it. Stop playing games.

Sorry, I didn't realize you quoted it because you disagreed with it.
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