Originally posted by NaplesX
Couple of things.
The UN is in principle a good thing. Many members are Arab fundamentalist nations. Right now it is a corrupt entity and you know it. If you don't then please don't reply because you are living in a parallel universe, and the fact that you are talking to us here in this one could have serious repercussions.
Ok, who would you strike off the list of UN members?
Who made a fuss about GWB going to the UN for approval?
The left wing democrats. that's who. GWB was trying to play nice and did it do him any good? No.
Going to the UN was a charade. No matter what the UN came out with, GWB was going to war. The inspections were real, but the eventual outcome was eched in stone. WMD or no WMD, GWB was going to war.
The intel community is being pummeled right now, why?
Because the left wing Democrats want someone to point a finger at for 9/11 and the trivial detail of "stockpiles of weapons" issue. Forget that everything was in place to produce said WMD's, who cares. Forget that SH had major clean up time before the war started to do what he wanted. Let's blame someone. As usual who do they blame? Well, there is an easy republican "war mongering" racist, oil puppet, target in the white house. The intelligence community is getting blamed.
No. The intelligence community had it right. Numerous 20-30 year CIA veterans knew there were no WMDs there. The intel community is taking the can for the Pentagon's and the admin's lies.
$200 billion figure you used includes the ongoing war in Afghanistan along with other WOT efforts.
The war in Afghanistan had little or nothing to do with the WOT. If it was, how come a large contingent of US forces were in the region, ready to roll. 9-11 was the excuse used to justify the invasion and occupation of Afghanistan, and overthrowing the Taliban to a shocked American public who would otherwise have never
swallowed it. Similar things have happened before, for example the fictitious incident in the Gulf of Tonkin to start Vietnam, Pearl Harbor to start WW2, and 9-11 to start the PNAC agenda. Don't you recall Operation Northwoods
, where a homebrew "terrorist" attack on American interests was mooted in order to blame Cuba, thereby raising US public anger, to justify and launch a war to oust Castro. This was presented to JFK by the Pentagon, and he gave it the thumbs down. These are thekind of people we are dealing with
So Israel is the problem? Now I see it.
Israel has been a problem since it was started. It need not have been. The people in charge in both Israel and Palestine stand to lose if peace breaks out, and thats not going to happen soon.
You are posting canned arguments from other threads and on things that do not relate to the thread at hand.
True, I did go off topic. Its tough not to!
I thought that anyone could start a thread. That means that you can start a thread called "Bush Lied, Bush deceived, Bush Lied, US and Israel are evil. Oh did I mention Bush Lied." if you so desire. You and Jimbo can impress each other with your wit and cunning. It would be the best thread of all time. So many people would visit from around the globe to see the intellectual marvel that it is. I bet you might even set a world record on amount of posts and maybe even longevity.
It would actually cause me to have some respect for you. Being that we are discussing the possibility of Iraq moving weapons into Syria PRIOR to this current war, and not the current war in Iraq.
Well, if you look thru the archives of this topic, I did suggest in one thread that Saddam would have been tempted to stash WMDs over the border (in remote parts of Syria, Saudi, Jordan,Turkey or Iran...forget Kuwait). But that was assuming he possessed
WMDs. At the time of this thread, it was shortly after Powell made his February 5th 2003 speech to the UNSC and he was pretty convincing; he fooled lots of people, including himself.
But re. the practicality of moving WMDs to Syria:
*The few major roads between the two nations would have been closely and continuously monitored in the US by spy satellite for suspicious activity, such as truck movements, materials being buried etc. The technology in space is of such high resolution that small text can be deciphered.
*The movement of high level radiological material is extremely tough to conceal without specialized shielding.
*The whole region is a desert climate with lots of cloudless days and clear nights, making such a task even tougher to conceal.
*In the months before the war, there were not only inspectors roaming at will throughout Iraq with no notice or forewarning of location, but also advance US forces checking things out under cover.
*There were rewards offered to former Baathist officials to reveal the whereabouts of WMDs. Nothing has come of that.
*Then there's the issue getting these materials past Syrian border guards and officials, and somehow concealing it all.
*The Syrian government, even if sympathetic towards Saddam, would never have risked a war with the US/Coalition by voluntarily harboring Iraqi WMDs. Assad may not be a man of integrity, but he isn't a complete idiot!
The task of concealing WMDs in Syria (or elsewhere outside of Iraq ) could have been done in theory, I will give you that. But it would have been damned difficult to pull off successfully, without leaving a multitude of traces. Which implies (a) They did an incrediblly fine job of concealment, obliterating all the traces in the process, and pulled a fast one over the eyes of US intelligence with their $$billions worth of high technology and skilled manpower, or (b) there were no WMDs to hide. Take your pick.
We all know that Saddam in the past (1980-1991) had WMDs..thats a given. But I tend towards Kamal Hussein's testimony re. credibilty; Iraq wanted to return towards normalcy and the regime regarded such weapons not as a asset, but a liability. And since they have never used them against anyone since the Iraq-Iran war, despite two huge invasions, this also implies that the weapons were absent, both from Iraq and from Syria, where they could conceivably have been retrieved in the event of a national emergency.