If Bush Wins (Re)Election?

I wonder what I put when I registered with the selective service two years ago... I sure as hell aren't gonna shoot me some a-rabs instead of study the law. Although I agree in principle with allowing only medical exemptions, I don't agree with this particular war. Not going. Not going. No way. No how.

Not a fullscale invasion; the troop strength is not there (yet)...we will conduct operations like selected bombing operations to 'behead' leaderships considered 'rogue', or nuclear facilities such as in Iran or North Korea


Without a doubt. Its been openly talked about, and Kerry referenced this a few days back.


According to recently published intelligence reports, civil war and chaos is the most likely outcome. The only party who could restore order there would be a 'strongman'. I read recently that Saddam Husseins lawyers are trying to get him on the ballot...


The occupation has cost some $200 billion in 18 months...in another 4 years, thats some $0.5 Trillion..and thats not counting materiel losses.
1040 soldiers dead in 18 months is possibly not accurate; soldiers who die in the field or shortly afterwards represent the bodycount. Soldiers who die of their injuries much later are not added to the death toll. How many more is unclear.


Make that the top 0.5%......doesn't really make that much difference! National Debt? Huge, big, massive, and becoming more engorged...


Polluters etc. are being held less accountable for their crimes under this administration, so expect a dirtier, more deforested, more dangerous and more toxic world under Bush,


Unemployment figures will continue to be massaged. Fast food workers are now in "manufacturing". Janitors will be in the "engineering" profession. One thing you can count on...the huge pool of free labor in prisons will increase, and I would bet that these "jobs" will be added to the list of new employment opportunities and positions created under the Bush administration.

Re. the hourly rate? Lets just say it will not be keeping pace with the cost of living. Does it ever? Has it ever?


How can you add hate to the Constitution? But just replace a moderate judge with a(nother) hardline redneck religious radical fundamentalist wacko in the Supreme Court.....and Constitutional decisions based on (at least) intolerance will be legion. Replacing two more moderate judges with Bush preferences and "hate" may well be an appropriate designation...


Only fake ones, like that $2billion H2 initiative that Bush was touting a few years back. It is easier to extract hydrogen from hydrocarbons (read fossils fuels), than water...a boondoggle for the oil industry, in disguise.


Probably privatized, or partially so.....prescription drugs costs rocketing skywards


Given a severe bias of rightwing Supreme Court judges, and the right's philosophy of taking government out of the work place and planting it firmly in your home and personal life, there is a good chance of Roe vs Wade of being overturned, and a return to prohibition, and a thriving black market.


There has been abject failure so far to implement security at ports and facilities dealing with dangerous materials. Whats the reason for this extraordinary (on the surface) state of affairs:
(1) Rampant incompetence and fiscal irresponsibility on a criminal scale?
(2) The threat of terrorism is a phoney creation of this administration, to keep Americans in a state of fear, using Cheney's grotesque "9-11 Spectacular" as a perpetual reminder. The administration, knowing the reality that terrorism is so unlikely or rare, feel that spending money on beefing up security in ports, nuke and chemical facilities is unnecessary?
(3) Or...they have far better things to do, like harrassing political activists such as the former Cat Stevens. after all...imagine the horrific consequences of subjecting the American people to an endless barrage of "Morning has Broken" or "Peace Train"

What will happen during the next four years if George Bush and his chronies are (re)elected?

Stagnating economy due to deficits being to high.

What will the state of the nation be at the end of an eight year reign?

Exhausted.

Will we invade another country like Iran or Syria?

No.

Will we reinstate the draft?

No.

What will be the state of affairs in Iraq? Civil war or tenuous stability?

It's easier to predict chaos then stability. Who knows.

How many of our soldiers will be dead and what will the dent be in our war chest?

Guess: $300G over the term, 2 fatalities/day average

Iraq could be successful I think, but it'll take a decade, lots of billions of dollars and tremendous patience and sacrifice, but stubborness has it advantages. Bush will sway to the political winds though because I think Rove has learned that something like this is uncontrollable and unpredictable, and therefore can't easily be taken advantage of for politics.

Will will our national debt be after returning tax dollars to the top one percent?

~3% of GDP in 2008. Maybe $800G by 2008.

What will the state of the environment be?

Well, changed. Don't think GWB has much control over this. The expansion of humanity itself will change the environment regardless of our actions. The global weather will be more violent due to added energy into the system.

More companies will likely get passes, "the right to police themselves", on cleaning up their environmental messes, so certain sites will be dangerous.

What will the unemployment rate be and what will the average hourly rate be?

5.5% unemployment on average. Hourly wage will only match 75% of inflation.

Will hate be added to the constitution?

You mean God?

Will we see a dramatic move toward alternative fuels or more of the same?

More of the same. Overall usage of energy will have same linear trend. The $200G going into Iraq could have easily went into energy infrastructure.

What will be the state of Medicare, perscription drugs and a woman's right to choose?

When Ginsburg goes, an anti-abortion bill will pass. Prescription drug companies will make more money at the expanse of taxpayers. Medicare will get more expensive.

Will our ports, chemical factories and nuclear power plants be more protected and less vulnerable to attack?

It will be the same as it is now. The only way it becomes less vulnerable is through some crony capitalist action.

I WANT GEORGIE TO WIN.

Every dumb fucker Republican needs to have forced down their throats, that they voted for the most failed man in modern politics. Which will be perfectly clear in 4 years time. And they will be held responsible.

This dumb fucking administration needs to be held fully responsible for thir actions, and the world will make it clear, and Rebublicans will be clear that George W Bush and his Administration were the most corrupt, vile politicians in modern history.

Then we can start again.

I want George to win.

Easy for you to say, being over there in the UK. We'd have to actually live with him while his supporters get their eddicashun.

interesting theory, I'd say that it's easier to predict stability, since you want things to be stable, to work out alright, and for everything to be dandy, but things don't always work out as planned.

ultimately, I'd say it's a lot easier to make a mess than to clean one up.

A picture's worth a thousand words:

No. Sure Congress has as much a hand or greater, but aren't you forgetting who heads the EPA? That's right! The Executive branch. And thanks to President FuckTheHumanRace and the Plant, companies and their personnel now control the EPA and its policies. How bout that "Roadless" act.

It seems like a lot of intelligent and even liberal people here don't have a clue about the environment and environmental politics. So for average Americans... \ "TMDL? Carrying capacity? Hey buddy I eat at McDonald's every day and I can't walk my fat fucking ass to the recycling bin because I'm fat so I'll just throw my bottles in the trash because I'm a fat American with fat in between my ears."

If Bush wins I move to Canada.

No one knows what will happen if Bush wins the election. In 2000 almost everything he said he has gone back on. For example, he said repeatedly that gay marriage should be left up to the states, but now he wants an amendment? No one knows what will happen... he's already shown you can't believe what he says during a campaign.

You're not the only one considering this... and seriously! I've also thought about Europe, Rome or Zurich perhaps?

You guys are hysterical. You really are.

It's an unarguable fact that anywhere else in the world John Kerry would be regarded as a centre-right politician. You look at some forums on the internet and it's like the guy's the heir apparent to Stalin. SDW2001 calls his positions 'indefensible' on this very forum.

Anyway. George Bush will win this election, of course he will.

What should really worry Americans is that moderate voices will continue to be painted as extreme. I expect the centre of the American body politic will be shifted further to the right. I expect someone will have the bright idea of giving the Department of Homeland Security or some new or existing body its own plain-clothes enforcement force. I expect unaccountable bodies like the people who make up the 'no fly' lists (JESUS CHRIST: THERE IS ALREADY A BODY THAT RESTRICTS THE MOVEMENTS OF AMERICAN CITIZENS! FUCK.) will become more common and will extend their remit to public appointments and democratic institutionsthe precedent's been set now, for the first time in American history, and I absolutely, seriously expect it to continue.

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That was the world before 911. 911 changed everything. Just like Bush realised that containment of Saddam and his WoMDs wasn´t good enough now he had attacked US on its own soil, he also realised that gay marriage couldn´t be tolerated because it can explode in your face. Get up to date man!

Nope. You're just in denial ( again ).

if ..

in 4 years: you will get 4 $ with 1 euro.

and there will be 15 million americans living in ireland. meh ..

Then I can buy a iPod with two hours work. WOOHOO

actually it will be a very exciting time..

marx did say we would slowly slide into the abyss as it
were

1.i do expect a draft

2.i fully expect us to launch a nuke at someone
within the next 5 years, making us the only country
to have ever used nukes..again

3.as homeland security slowly exerts more control
expect to see researchers & free thinkers quietly make their way to other countries

#3 would be the most troubling beacuse at that point
you are loosing your best brainpower

btw did anyone catch the episode on the history channel
last week ? children of the reich ?
if not, see it its superb

1) The podium on the whitehouse lawn will be reconstructed so Rush Limbaugh can blow Bush while he is giving press conferences.

2) The microphones used at presidential speeches will be connected to a speech synthesizer to make the president sound intelligent (very secret new technology was not expected to be developed until 3262)

3) 52% of the US will be renamed into "Canada" and the rest will be called "Neverland".

4) The constitution will be changed to include: "Citizens may only masturbate with their left hands under God!"

5) Bushs will revolt and want to be called "small trees".

6) Diesel fumes will be considered by the FDA as a cure for overpopulation.

7) George W. will be changed to "Genius W."

8) And this

I'm a little unclear about what I'm in denial about. The fact is that Bush is in very good shape for the election and Kerry is in very bad shape. Just about everyone agrees with this, regardless of whom he/she supports.

As for what Bush has done and what he will do, well it's pretty obvious we're not going to agree about that. But denial ? That's pretty funny coming from the man that can't see how screwed Kerry is right now.

Edit- my bad, Kerry's totally screwed, SDW's quite right.

What a disgrace.

This is a prelude to another four years of Bush.

In most places even Nader would be considered a moderate.

Aw come on, it'll just be a tiny one.

Sorry but this just isn't the case at all. Last time I looked it was still a very tight race. But, as always you see things from RDF perspective.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/Pres...cking_Poll.htm

The environment will not stay the same as it is now unless the human population is controlled. I know full well that GWB will let big business take "care" of environment, but in the grand scheme of things, it isn't going to slow down the impending loss of nature around us because humanity is growing outward. We're not going to stop that unless we decrease population, and that isn't going to happen.

As far as the quality of the air, water and dirt, yeah, I think gov't can control that, but I've already said GWB will let big business do the "taking care of" instead of real regulations.

Hmmm....looks like a lemming syndrome here....

i mean you guys believe everything Kerry says and what if he tells you guys to commit mass suicide? are you gonna all die? come on, stop being so negative...i'm an optimist and you should be too ...try it, you will like it8)

-Neø

I am an optimist. However, you are fooling yourself to believe GWB and to give him and his cronies your support. They have played you for a fool along with everyone else. They do not care about you one single wit. They do not care about your principles nor deign to follow the principles they themselves espouse, to which you apparently subscribe to.

Think about this. They did not trust you nor the public at large to tell the truth of their plans on any facet of public life. I've had enough. The single best reason I am going to vote Kerry is that he has a conscience and some semblance for the public good. GWB has none.

SDW are kidding me? You think I'm joking? You are the reason I am leaving. A country full of assclowns. Are you telling me and Xool that we can't leave America?

Xool Canada is closer. Of course, if you like warm weather, probably not as nice. Me, I likes my skiing, and Montréal. Too bad I took Spanish.\

I am worried somehow Dubya will win now. I don't know how he did it. I mean it's the economy stupid. His environmental damage and wasteful spending, Middle East tinkering, Social Security and Medicare mess ups will be felt for at least half a century. He is possibly the worst President ever. Worse than Coolidge. Worse than Nixon. Worse than even...Reagan. Ouch. At least Reagan didn't kill 1,000 Americans in cold blood.

Or maybe the rest of the country doesn't live in your delusional little world where 5.4% is a "stupid economy." Maybe Clinton was dealing with Iraq via missles a couple times a yearand dealing with North Korea as well. (In addition to Somalia, Bosnia, Haiti, the Middle East, etc...) Maybe the terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center, the U.S.S. Cole, etc all still happened. Maybe more people realize that Social Security is a clusterfuck of a pyramid scheme that is going to be broken no matter who claims to fix it.

But go to Canada and enjoy yourself. You are always welcome to discover if the grass is greener. Tell me where I can send the housewarming gift.

Nick

psst, trumptman. the deficit.

Anyway. Aquatic, come and crash at my mine while your country goes down the toilet.

Are you claiming that Canada doesn't have a national debt?

Nick

Nothing compared to yours, no.

But let's get back on topic.

hey ditto-head-

you don't happen to have the link to the show where Rush talked about that mass-suicide article written by the student from GWU do you? He called in to the show the next day and I happened to be listening, I want to get the background on it...

Thanks...

-Paul

Yup! Played them like a puppet.

The bigger picture over the years just doesn't reflect that.

With the exception of SS. But it wasn't a pyramid scheme. It was just terribly mismanaged.

Social Security assumed a pyramid. It is pay as you go.

As for your assertion that the bigger picture doesn't reflect that...thanks for sharing your opinion.

Nick

And thanks for sharing yours!