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post #161 of 183
10/3/04 at 3:09pm
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Originally posted by ParliamentLights
Showing up only after Drudge throws you a bone is very telling as well.



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don't have the testicular fortitude to post under your real user name or something?
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post #162 of 183
10/3/04 at 3:10pm
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Originally posted by applenut


my god....GROW UP. everyone agrees Kerry won, he appeared better prepared, smarter, calmer........ so why must you do exactly what you are criticizing bush supporters of.....ignoring things.

you're whole post said nothing in regard to what he took out of his pocket.

It's implied in his satirical post that both candidates probably took out pens from their pockets. (He didn't disagree with BRussell.)

A pen is realistic.
A "cheat sheet" is both desperate and absurd.
A "fully loaded brain" goes beyond a cheat sheet.
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post #163 of 183
10/3/04 at 3:12pm
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Originally posted by applenut
so why must you do exactly what you are criticizing bush supporters of.....ignoring things.

you're whole post said nothing in regard to what he took out of his pocket.

In case it hasn't been clear, I thought I was making a very obvious show of ignoring this "issue", such as it is, because it is trivially silly. It is also hypocritical for the Bushies to try to make hay out of this, since Bush apparently pulled something out of his own pocket as well, violating the same silly rule. Further, Bush spoke out of turn a couple times, a much more "serious" violation of the rules than pulling out a pen at possibly the wrong moment. Where's the foaming at the mouth over that?

But if you want to lend credence to... um, shall we call it "Pengate"?... by treating a ludicrous act of desperation with stern seriousness, if you want to play the Republican spinmeister's game of wasting more time worrying about someone pulling out a pen than someone wasting American lives in a wrongful and incompetently executed war... be my guest.
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post #164 of 183
10/3/04 at 3:30pm
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Originally posted by shetline
In case it hasn't been clear, I thought I was making a very obvious show of ignoring this "issue", such as it is, because it is trivially silly. It is also hypocritical for the Bushies to try to make hay out of this, since Bush apparently pulled something out of his own pocket as well, violating the same silly rule. Further, Bush spoke out of turn a couple times, a much more "serious" violation of the rules than pulling out a pen at possibly the wrong moment. Where's the foaming at the mouth over that?

But if you want to lend credence to... um, shall we call it "Pengate"?... by treating a ludicrous act of desperation with stern seriousness, if you want to play the Republican spinmeister's game of wasting more time worrying about someone pulling out a pen than someone wasting American lives in a wrongful and incompetently executed war... be my guest.

certainly did not look like he pulled a pen from his pocket.

i also dont see bush pulling something out of his pocket. do you have video of that?

rules are rules.

im not wasting time doing anything, hell, im not a republican, you're on an internet message board.....you participate in the pinnacle of wasting your life away. if you thinking talking about a wrongful war instead of taking something out of a pocket it going to make a change in the world then you really are delusional.
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post #165 of 183
10/3/04 at 3:47pm
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Originally posted by applenut
i also dont see bush pulling something out of his pocket. do you have video of that?

I suggested that. It's harder to see because the angle is wrong, but it sure looks like, when Bush turns to face the podium - same time Kerry is putting his hand in his jacket pocket - he also reaches into his jacket and pulls out a pen and puts it in writing position. I'm not sure, he could have pulled it off the podium, but it looks like his hand is at the wrong angle to be just going on the podium.
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post #166 of 183
10/3/04 at 6:02pm
It's pretty obvious to me that Bush pulls out a pen. You can see him click the top of it with his thumb and start writing.
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post #167 of 183
10/3/04 at 7:39pm
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Originally posted by bunge
It's pretty obvious to me that Bush pulls out a pen. You can see him click the top of it with his thumb and start writing.

(Bush: clicks pen and starts writing)

Dear Dyary... I am here at them debases and Jon Kerri is lookin' at me all funny like. Uncle Dick and Uncle Karl made me memer... memar... memro.... remember lots of importent stuff before I comed here. I jus hope that them cellular scrammblars they installedinated won't unterrrupt the feed I get from Andy Card. By the way, I don lyke this new eer peace, it gets swetty and makes my neck ich.

I wish I culd just stay back home in Crawford and drink and wack off to man-does-sheep porn on that there internet insted of beeing here and having to argue in this dum debases...

Damn, its starting. I have to go now...

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post #168 of 183
10/3/04 at 8:33pm
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post #169 of 183
10/3/04 at 9:15pm
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Originally posted by bunge
You can see him click the top of it with his thumb and start writing.

Well, at least he can do that without publicly fucking it up, falling down, or choking.
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post #170 of 183
10/4/04 at 2:25am
Apple users to the rescue again.

Foldedpapergate


Nick

"During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." -George Orwell

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post #171 of 183
10/4/04 at 2:39am
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Originally posted by ParliamentLights
Showing up only after Drudge throws you a bone is very telling as well.


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post #172 of 183
10/4/04 at 9:08am
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Originally posted by trumptman
Apple users to the rescue again.

Foldedpapergate


Nick

Wow. Where's Dan Rather on this one? It's clearly paper, and that's a no-no.
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post #173 of 183
10/4/04 at 9:34am
Yeah, well I heard from the far left that Bush was wearing an earpiece. Who to believe? As far as I am concerned, individuals making either accusation are FOS partisans.
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post #174 of 183
10/4/04 at 11:15am
New York Post and Fox News say pen.

Shetline, you suppose they figured out how to make the Bush Mind Controller fit in a pen?
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post #175 of 183
10/4/04 at 11:17am
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Originally posted by SDW2001
Wow. Where's Dan Rather on this one? It's clearly paper, and that's a no-no.



Yeah. It's clearly paper all over the place.

Bush lost the debate. The polls suggest he lost his lead, too. Get over it.
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post #176 of 183
10/4/04 at 11:36am
OK. Seems Fox lied again. Here's what he really pulled out.
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post #177 of 183
10/4/04 at 11:41am
Is this really an issue? Both were clearly seen reading and writing on C-SPAN and likely every station but FOX News (who stuck to the no 2 shots rule it seemed to me).

Big shrug.
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post #178 of 183
10/4/04 at 12:19pm
for the next dbate(s) try watching the NBC broadcast.
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post #179 of 183
10/4/04 at 12:26pm
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Originally posted by badtz
for the next dbate(s) try watching the NBC broadcast.

Actually I saw it live on NBC the first time, then taped on C-Span and CNN and FOX for comparison.

C-Span is the only way to go. (Assuming one has cable).

But yeah NBC said "yeah right" to the stupid no 2-shot rule and did it entirely in 2 shots Not sure what other broadcast channels did.
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post #180 of 183
10/4/04 at 12:33pm
I think my favourite part in the debate was when Kerry accused Bush of invading Iraq without a coalition. Then Bush responds, "What do you mean without a coalition - what does that say to Tony Blair of Britain ......... long pause .......... and Aleksander Kwasniewski of Poland?"

That was it ... he named 2 fuckin' allies! Not only was he looking like and idiot, he was talking like one as well - that would have made a great Kerry commercial, the problem is that they're just not ruthless enough.
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post #181 of 183
10/4/04 at 12:35pm
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Originally posted by the cool gut
I think my favourite part in the debate was when Kerry accused Bush of invading Iraq without a coalition. Then Bush responds, "What do you mean without a coalition - what does that say to Tony Blair of Britain ......... long pause .......... and Aleksander Kwasniewski of Poland?"

That was it ... he named 2 fuckin' allies! Not only was he looking like and idiot, he was talking like one as well - that would have made a great Kerry commercial, the problem is that they're just not ruthless enough.

Say Buh-Bye to Poland BTW.
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post #182 of 183
10/4/04 at 12:44pm
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Originally posted by the cool gut
I think my favourite part in the debate was when Kerry accused Bush of invading Iraq without a coalition. Then Bush responds, "What do you mean without a coalition - what does that say to Tony Blair of Britain ......... long pause .......... and Aleksander Kwasniewski of Poland?"

That was it ... he named 2 fuckin' allies! Not only was he looking like and idiot, he was talking like one as well - that would have made a great Kerry commercial, the problem is that they're just not ruthless enough.

Not to mention pissing off Australia by failing to acknowledge them as partners.
Kerry remembered them, Bush couldn't.

GWB: "you don't lead by marginalizing your allies".
Oh wait...
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post #183 of 183
10/7/04 at 6:21pm
"Bush sounds like a broken record." http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/opinio...40_tony08.html
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