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post #161 of 175
11/3/04 at 9:20pm
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Originally posted by jimwg
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The eMac has constantly been underestimated as more than adequete "non-entry" Mac that could hold off G5s even right now. This AMUG review says it all.


http://www.amug.org/amug-web/html/am...icles/emac125/

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The emperor has no clothes. Sorry, those tests just don't fly. They seemed to have been cherry picked specifically to make the eMac look good. It does not matter how fast GB opens or imports a song to iTunes. What matters is how many midi tracks you can record before the eMac chokes. Does not system start up and shut down have more to do with what you have loaded in memory and processes working behind the scenes than anything else? Would not a PM have much more of that going on than a typical eMac? It seems unworthy to compare a dual PM to an eMac if all you are going to do is play a game on a low setting or view one Safari window or open and close a demanding app without actually using it or checking email or writing a letter to grandma. Obviously, if that is all you want to do, then it would be stupid to purchase a PM. It does not suggest the PM is a bad value or that the eMac is a good one. It does suggest that if one has little to no computing needs, an eMac is a smarter choice than a PM. Who didn't already know that?
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post #162 of 175
11/4/04 at 7:34am
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Originally posted by bicubic
... The eMac is in the coal face and I think people are sitting up and watching now. ...

"In the coal face"? English has some obscure idioms, but I've never seen that one before. Where does it come from?
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post #163 of 175
11/4/04 at 7:45am
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Originally posted by Mac Voyer
Sorry, those tests just don't fly. They seemed to have been cherry picked specifically to make the eMac look good.

Well of course they are -- the point of the article was to show that the eMac is a capable computer and worth using if you don't need to do heavy lifting. This is true, and lots of people do just fine with an eMac... some better than with a PowerMac because they don't want to mess with more wires or such a large and noisy box.
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post #164 of 175
11/4/04 at 9:21am
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noisy box

Pardon? (I put my ear to the G5 Tower in stores and it seems whispher quiet to me...)

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post #165 of 175
11/4/04 at 10:14am
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Originally posted by Lemon Bon Bon
Pardon? (I put my ear to the G5 Tower in stores and it seems whispher quiet to me...)

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Wish I could do that with my new iMac G5.

A clarification, if nothing else in the room is making noise, the high-pitched (though low in volume) whine is quite headache-inducing, at least for me. Now, if something else in the room is making noise (TV, fan, whatever), the iMac can't be heard.
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post #166 of 175
11/4/04 at 2:26pm
To be honest I'll be interested to see if my iMac melts this summer It's certainly going to be loud.
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post #167 of 175
11/4/04 at 8:10pm
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Originally posted by Lemon Bon Bon
Pardon? (I put my ear to the G5 Tower in stores and it seems whispher quiet to me...)

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Stores are notoriously noisy environments, and are usually air conditioned (often with good airflow to the machines). And you usually aren't running a heavy workload on the demo machines. Even in our fairly noisy, temperature-controlled office if I run certain code on that hardware it'll become noticable. Put the machine in (for example) my home theatre next to the 100W/channel AV receiver and then get it to do some video processing and it'll be very noticable... I can hear my projector and it is rated 8 db quieter than Apple claims for the G5. Use the 3D video card and in go the ear plugs.
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post #168 of 175
11/5/04 at 5:55am
FWIW, my work Dell just got upgraded from Intel integrated graphics to a GigaByte GeForce 5700 w/128MB, and my work environment went from quiet to noisy! The graphics chip fan is a whirling dervish! Who would have thunk? But maybe I got one of the early 5700 chips...

So, if a Power Mac has a Radeon 9800 or a GeForce 6800, the loudest thing will probably be the graphics card fan.
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post #169 of 175
11/13/04 at 5:23pm
Here's an idea: If Apple really wants to dominate the education market they need to make a headless eMac with standard VGA and PS/2 ports. Most schools simply swap out towers and leave the monitors/kb/mice to save money. Most schools also do not want to buy all new mice, keyboards and monitors for every new CPU they buy. If Apple did this, schools could swap out CPUs and not worry about buying $500 monitors. Of course an even better solution would be to make these headless eMacs with easily swapable processors. I can envision a mini tower with hidden handles on the side that you pull to remove various upgradable options. Like how hot swapable hard drives work today. Apple can release new processor upgrades every 6 months so schools don't have to replace entire machines.
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post #170 of 175
11/14/04 at 7:27am
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Originally posted by ltong
Here's an idea: If Apple really wants to dominate the education market they need to make a headless eMac with standard VGA and PS/2 ports. Most schools simply swap out towers and leave the monitors/kb/mice to save money. Most schools also do not want to buy all new mice, keyboards and monitors for every new CPU they buy. If Apple did this, schools could swap out CPUs and not worry about buying $500 monitors. Of course an even better solution would be to make these headless eMacs with easily swapable processors. I can envision a mini tower with hidden handles on the side that you pull to remove various upgradable options. Like how hot swapable hard drives work today. Apple can release new processor upgrades every 6 months so schools don't have to replace entire machines.

I don't know if you follow along on the PC side at all, but even upgrading the CPU isn't just as easy as replacing a single chip. Especially after 2 or 3 revs of said chip. By this I mean, new chips take advantage of faster RAM or a faster/different FSB, etc. Usually after 8 months a PC person doesn't have much of an upgrade path unless they want to replace the whole motherboard. Which usually means buying new RAM as well. So while definitely cheaper than buying a whole new computer, it isn't as simple as you may think.

Basically there's a whole lot of computer parts getting flushed during an upgrade.
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post #171 of 175
11/14/04 at 3:50pm
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I don't know if you follow along on the PC side at all, but even upgrading the CPU isn't just as easy as replacing a single chip. Especially after 2 or 3 revs of said chip. By this I mean, new chips take advantage of faster RAM or a faster/different FSB, etc. Usually after 8 months a PC person doesn't have much of an upgrade path unless they want to replace the whole motherboard. Which usually means buying new RAM as well. So while definitely cheaper than buying a whole new computer, it isn't as simple as you may think.

Basically there's a whole lot of computer parts getting flushed during an upgrade.

CPU daughtercards offer a lot of performance boost on one simple to replace board. If built around a G5 mobo you could gain a lot of performance with newer model processors that up clock and bus speeds, thus increasing performance. And I never suggested this be performed on PCs, I suggessted Apple make a Mac with PS/2 and VGA ports so schools won't have to buy all new mice keyboards and monitors.
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post #172 of 175
11/19/04 at 2:54pm
Hey does anyone think the revised eMac will surface before Christmas? Or will Apple wait for MacWorld in Jan?

If it's MacWorld then it better be a G5!


I need to know what size stocking I'm looking for.

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post #173 of 175
11/19/04 at 3:44pm
They're taking their time with this update
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post #174 of 175
11/19/04 at 7:44pm
New emac in the works? You could have fooled me!! That discussion died about a month ago

Discussions about video cards, heat issues, that old chestnut - the Headless Mac, and fan noise...

There ain't no eMac around here...wait til next March. The past cycle of updates would suggest an update in March/April 2005. Then, expect SATA drives and a 'boosted' vid card, perhaps everybody's favourite the 64 Meg FX5200 Ultra. And G5s

...so I guess you guys were correct in talking about vid cards, heat issues and fan noise
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post #175 of 175
11/19/04 at 8:20pm
Anything is possible of course but do realize that the "E" in emac is for Education. I don't think we will see an eMac before the next buying season starts up. At that point (hopefully) Freescale will have e600 based processors to stuff in the unit.

It is not like a G5 eMac wouldn't be nice, but an e600 would allow Apple to produce a very nicely performing eMac for little $$$$$. Since the eMac is all about minimizing $$$, I don't see a big opportunty here to slap in any of the current 970's. Of course there is the reality that something might be in the wings for low cost 64 bit computing, I just don't see it coming any time soon.

You think about it Freescales projected delivery dates are very close to Apples revised eMac needs. Sounds good anyways.

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Hey does anyone think the revised eMac will surface before Christmas? Or will Apple wait for MacWorld in Jan?
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