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post #1 of 13
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Not unlike NAZI Germany anybody with opposing views looses their job or is being blackmailed. If our war loving friends keep going like this we will have Marshall law soon to protect us from ourselves. Soon anybody who utters anything against the goverment will be jailed.
Don't believe it. Turn on CNN. Now.
A Sinclair employee just has been fired.

Congatulations to living in a free country! This is the freedom that the (R)s want to spread around the world. How nice.

The Bush family has a history of supporting National Socialism. It's good for their pockets. And of course killing is good for TV.
post #2 of 13
I think what Sinclair did was terrible... but you should know that you've killed your own thread with your first post.

There's a long-standing internet rule, going back to the Usenet days, that goes something like this: The moment anyone compares anyone or anything to Nazis, rational discussion ceases to be possible, and the thread is effectively dead.

Oh, well... guess we'll have to bring up the Sinclair firing in a fresh new thread and start all over again.
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post #3 of 13
*snip* (my better judgement kicked in)

In our desire to impose form on the world we have lost the capacity to see the form that is there;
and in that lies not liberation but alienation, the cutting off from things as they really are. --...

In our desire to impose form on the world we have lost the capacity to see the form that is there;
and in that lies not liberation but alienation, the cutting off from things as they really are. --...

post #4 of 13
who was fired and why?
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post #5 of 13
While I wouldn't go so far as comparing the Republicans to Nazis, and I don't really see "national socialism" in the mix, there are certainly numerous aspects of fascism taking grasp in the noeconservative agenda. Restricted rights in the name of security a la the "Patriot act", call to arms against an entire religion (the "war on terror" that has become the "war on Islam" to far too many of us - note comments by Neo and Common Man) and the deliberate spread of fear of that religion "taking over" (see the Eurabia thread). A call to nationalism, racial profiling, an acceptance of immoral political behavior as long as you believe in the cause, taking over other nations to secure national resources in order to protect your way of life... it's endless.

If any of you conservatives disagree with this, don't go over this issue by issue, rather, simply point out a single administration in the US that was in practice more Fascist than the Bush administration. There are none.
post #6 of 13
No, the Bush administration is not the Nazi empire, not yet, but for the first time I think there is a real danger of democracy disappearing in America - a major terrorist attack could be used by those in power to invoke the continuance of government plans, which exist, are real, not a figment of paranoid imaginings, and have been drilled on by many in the higher echelons of government, including Cheney and Rumsfeld.

Yes, Prescott Bush helped to finance the backbone of the Nazi war machine, through the agency of Brown Brothers Harriman.
post #7 of 13
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Originally posted by tonton
While I wouldn't go so far as comparing the Republicans to Nazis, and I don't really see "national socialism" in the mix, there are certainly numerous aspects of fascism taking grasp in the noeconservative agenda. Restricted rights in the name of security a la the "Patriot act", call to arms against an entire religion (the "war on terror" that has become the "war on Islam" to far too many of us - note comments by Neo and Common Man) and the deliberate spread of fear of that religion "taking over" (see the Eurabia thread). A call to nationalism, racial profiling, an acceptance of immoral political behavior as long as you believe in the cause, taking over other nations to secure national resources in order to protect your way of life... it's endless.

If any of you conservatives disagree with this, don't go over this issue by issue, rather, simply point out a single administration in the US that was in practice more Fascist than the Bush administration. There are none.

That's a false dilemma of sorts. That's like saying "point out a President more communist than LBJ" or something along those lines. It's a ridiculous request. There is nothing "facist" about the Bush admin. The Patriot Act was passed with wide bipartisan support, including Kerry's. Oh but of course, he as a problem with "the way it has been applied". What total bullshit, as is this thread.
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post #8 of 13
I think in the age of modern convenience, we generally don't feel like something like a Nazi Germany could happen again. Most of us, especially today's youth, are for the most part uninformed and really just don't care about much other than their material possessions, social life and stress of the fast paced society we live in. I think this is part of the danger. That something like a facist state could slowly take shape without many people realizing that's it's too late to reverse.
post #9 of 13
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Originally posted by SDW2001
The Patriot Act was passed with wide bipartisan support, including Kerry's. Oh but of course, he as a problem with "the way it has been applied".

The Patriot Act was rushed through Congress so fast that really no one had the chance to even read it. It was purposly titled PATRIOT Act so guarantee it's passage. Had anyone not voted for it they would have been labled unpatriotic. Those were the times. "Either you're with us, or you're against us". I think there are some important things in the Patriot Act to help protect us, but no one wants to lose any freedom. Giving too much power in the hands of any government is just inviting trouble.

I'm sure you've read the Benjamin Franklin quote: "They that can give up liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
post #10 of 13
OPERATION NORTHWOODS.

It's real, it's underway.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods

HTML version:
http://emperors-clothes.com/images/north-i.htm

PDF:
http://www.gwu.edu/%7Ensarchiv/news/...northwoods.pdf

http://www.gwu.edu/%7Ensarchiv/news/20010430/


...and it all happened so slowly that most men failed to realize that anything had happened at all.
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post #11 of 13
Abraham Lincoln said:
I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country....corporations have been enthroned and an era of corruption in high places will follow, and the money power of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working on the prejudices of the people until all wealth is aggregated in a few hands and the Republic is destroyed.

Hermann Goering said:
The common people don't want war but they can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders: All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism.

And Bertolt Brecht said:
Those who take the most from the table, teach contentment. Those for whom the taxes are destined, demand sacrifice. Those who eat their fill, speak to the hungry, of wonderful times to come. Those who lead the country into the abyss, call ruling difficult, for ordinary folk.

Yeah, it's hard work.
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post #12 of 13
An old friend of mine nailed it. She used to live in 'socialist' Poland:

"We used to look at the newspapers and TV and we knew it was bullshit. We read the propaganda but were never fooled. The dangerous thing in America is that most people read the propaganda and believe it."

The US, a great country, is getting more and more frightening. When a country becomes extreme in attitude *and the people go along with it* and become extreme too, then there are parallels with Germany in 1933.

All it would take is a major economic collapse (say the collapse of the dollar or a spot of hyperinflation, both real risks because of the lunatic fiscal policy of the current administration in the context of a globally peaking oil supply) ...

and you have Germany 1933 all over again: extreme people, extreme government, armed to the teeth and supporting an ideology that is perfectly thought through but never lets the facts get in the way of faith ... with a fucked economy and an obvious 'threat' to take it out on.

It's not nazism, it's not fascism that is developing in the US. We don't have a popular phrase for it yet.
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post #13 of 13
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Originally posted by shetline
I think what Sinclair did was terrible... but you should know that you've killed your own thread with your first post.

There's a long-standing internet rule, going back to the Usenet days, that goes something like this: The moment anyone compares anyone or anything to Nazis, rational discussion ceases to be possible, and the thread is effectively dead.

Oh, well... guess we'll have to bring up the Sinclair firing in a fresh new thread and start all over again.

Bingo

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