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New developmental versions of Apple's Tiger operating system reveal a rich set of multiple user controls and new QuickTime Player enhancements.

Work on Apple Computer's next-generation operating system continues at an aggressive pace this month, with the specifics of several undisclosed features coming into focus via new builds of the software.

Family Controls

According to information passed on by well placed sources, Tiger's new Family Controls are now in place and functional. The feature—only partially implemented in previous builds and yet announced—provides administrative account holders with a set of controls to limit the functionality in some of Apple's most popular applications. In previous versions of the Mac OS X, administrators retained the ability to grant or restrict access to applications, but could not alter the individual capabilities of programs.

The Family Controls panel appears in the "Accounts" preference pane and offers configuration options for the Mac OS X Finder, Safari, iChat, and most recently Mail. The simplistic configuration panels for iChat and Mail allow instant messages and e-mail correspondences to be restricted to a specified list of screen names and email addresses. An additional Mail option appears to offer a means of moderating a user's access to e-mail messages by allowing an administrator to approve email address or messages as they arrive.

Screenshots: Family Controls; iChat Config; Mail Config; Finder Config

Configuring Safari with limitations works similarly, but takes place within the browser's preference pane rather than from inside the Account panel. Administrators simply manage a list of web sites or domain names that the user is permitted to access. Finder configuration controls remain similar to those found in Mac OS X Panther, with the addition an option to allow for supporting programs and printer administration privileges.

Tiger's account login options have also expanded with options to display an input menu on the login screen, hide password hints, and enable VoiceOver at login. Another option enables the appearance of the fast user switching menu to be customized.

Screenshots: QuickTime Pro Menu; Login Options; Platinum Mail Interface

QuickTime Sharing

QuickTime 6.6, which could likely turn into QuickTime 7.0 just prior to its release, has been under development alongside Tiger. With most of the technical enhancement in place, Apple has begun to integrate.

The latest builds of QuickTime Player sport a pair of handy options that will allow users to quickly share media files by publishing them to a .Mac account or through e-mail attachments. The sharing dialog for both options lets users select a file size—small, medium, or large—and then provides an export summary, including approximate file size, audio quality and expected frame-rates.

Sources also say the new version of QuickTime Player will leave all premium (QuickTime Pro) menu options visible to the non-paying user through the player's menus. Users who have not upgraded to QuickTime Pro will be able to see the Pro options, albeit grayed out and disabled.

Screenshots: QT Email Sharing; QT Web Sharing; Network Diagnostic

Tiger Early Start Kit for Developers

Mac OS X 10.4 Tiger is currently undergoing very limited seedings both in and outside of Apple. Earlier today, the Apple Developer Connection (ADC) launched a new Mac OS X 10.4 Tiger developer program, suggesting that more widespread distributions of the unreleased operating system are yet to come. The Tiger Early Start Kit for Developers is priced at (US)$500 and includes: a year-long ADC Select membership; pre-release versions of Tiger and Xcode 2.0; exclusive access to the latest Tiger documentation; direct, one-on-one access to Tiger support engineers; special developer discount on the latest Apple hardware; Gold Master versions of Tiger and Xcode 2.0 when available; and more. A free Tiger development training DVD is also being offered while supplies last.
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wonderful.. now just give us easy networking like in windows and I'll be a happy camper. "right click" any folder, 'share this folder" et voila'.

come on Apple, stop dickin' around
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It would be great to have FTP support that acts like the server is just a remote folder, too.

EDIT: Yay! Voice login is back! Now I can feel really cool, logging in with my voice.
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oh... and.. what the heck is "VoiceOver"?

Is vocal biometric login back from the dead? Will we see Jobs give a "my voice is my password" demo along with Schiller?

Good lord I'm getting old if I remember that...
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I would say that it is not "voice ID" (my voice is my password) what they talk about but rather a voice greeting a'la iChat (you have option in iChat to hear a "you have logged in" when connected to the server).
That said, a good (read: reliably working, not OS9-like) voice ID would be cool.

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Some of those image links are dead.
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VoiceOver is the marketing name for Apple's spoken interface for those with visual and learning disabilities.

http://www.apple.com/macosx/tiger/voiceover.html
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Why do they call it platinum? It's just the way the same old "white" has evolved. The gradient that once stopped above the toolbar now simply includes the toolbar.

That's it. No third theme.

Also, the shots show "Parent" as an admin and "Child" as not. Shouldn't it be the other way around? I wouldn't dare give my parents admin control!
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Also, the shots show "Parent" as an admin and "Child" as not. Shouldn't it be the other way around? I wouldn't dare give my parents admin control!



...oh and Kasper, fix those links. I'm dying here.
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Originally posted by ZO
wonderful.. now just give us easy networking like in windows and I'll be a happy camper. "right click" any folder, 'share this folder" et voila'.

come on Apple, stop dickin' around

You mean like "right-click" 'make alias' then move alias to your shared folder?

Not Voilá enough? maybe a folder action or applescript or service saves a step.

Seems like this is almost exactly as easy now, just not in a windows-familiar form.

Not tough to add, one would think.
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Originally posted by ZO
wonderful.. now just give us easy networking like in windows and I'll be a happy camper. "right click" any folder, 'share this folder" et voila'.

come on Apple, stop dickin' around

'Share...' won't appear in a contextual menu before it shows up in a regular menu. So sayeth the UI guidelines.

But it isn't a bad idea.
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As far as I know there is no "folder sharing" in OS X. You can only share your whole home folder or volumes when the user logs in from remote machine with proper username and password. Guests are limited to drop boxes in user's home folders and obviously cannot see any volumes you may have mounted. Not sure if the undelying file sharing engine allows folder sharing. If it does, maybe this feature is availbale from command line?
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Some of those image links are dead.

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As far as I know there is no "folder sharing" in OS X. You can only share your whole home folder or volumes when the user logs in from remote machine with proper username and password. Guests are limited to drop boxes in user's home folders and obviously cannot see any volumes you may have mounted. Not sure if the undelying file sharing engine allows folder sharing. If it does, maybe this feature is availbale from command line?
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MacOS X Server offers full sharing capabilities of any folder, at any level. You can specify the read/write access based on users or groups.

The current Public folders are read-only, Drop Box is write-only, but you can create a folder in Public that is read/write if you want to. Anything in there shows up as shared.
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Windows sharing in OSX is based on SAMBA. You could share any folder you want by using the terminal, Webmin, or SharePoints. SharePoints makes this extremely easy.
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While true, sharing a folder in MacOS X should offer you the choice of AppleTalk, FTP, SMB, etc, as with MacOS X Server's share points. You get to choose how each share point (folder) is shared, over which protocols. Very nice.
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I like the shiny Tiger menu bar. The reversed Apple will ruffle people to the point of hysteria, I predict but it's a nice balance to the Spotlight icon which I'm sure they want to highlight.

(Now I'll have to get used to not having that top corner for Expose. THAT would be annoying. Unless Apple adds a delay before Expose kicks in from a hot corner...)
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To Kasper et al AppleInsider Staff: Thanks for your hard work covering Tigers evolution! I much enjoy following the progress Apple is making.

Also, I have a question: With Spotlight now occupying the top-right corner of the menubar, where has the Fast User Switching-menu gone? Is it located in the Apple-menu or somewhere else?
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I suspect it's just been bumped left one spot.
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Windows sharing in OSX is based on SAMBA. You could share any folder you want by using the terminal, Webmin, or SharePoints. SharePoints makes this extremely easy.

If you can control it from command line, you could write a script for OnMyCommandCM and create the contextual menu item to turn on/off sharing for control-clicked folder. What are the command line tools to do it for AFP and Samba respectively?
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I suspect it's just been bumped left one spot.

What's your thoughts on that, Kickaha? I'm thinking it should probably go in the Apple-menu but your oppinion on the matter would be appreciated! I'm asking since I know your research is in UI-development.
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wonderful.. now just give us easy networking like in windows and I'll be a happy camper. "right click" any folder, 'share this folder" et voila'.

That's a great idea! I've added it to our Apple Mac OS X Wish List:

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What's your thoughts on that, Kickaha? I'm thinking it should probably go in the Apple-menu but your oppinion on the matter would be appreciated! I'm asking since I know your research is in UI-development.

Yeah...it should be in the Apple menu.

And I agree with those that say the Apple and Spotlight menu are justified in being a different color. I'm assuming the majority of complaints stem from the Apple and Spotlight menu being the same color as highlighted menu but that's another story altogether. The Apple and Spotlight menu are system-wide menus and should be clearly separated from the rest of the menus that dynamically change depending on the app that is in the foreground. (of course, the menulings are a gray area :/ )

I really, really, really hope the Finder will get yet another facelift and use the Mail 'platinum' or 'extension-of-Aqua' (or 'upgrade-of-Aqua' look. There is no real reason why the Finder should be metal...the Platinum look would make the Finder much more appealing and much less screen-estate wasting.

Edit: I can't believe the QuickTime Player will still segregate features. What a bunch of bullshit.

Fullscreen and all that stuff should not be 'Pro' features. Anyone can write a freeware app that does fullscreen movie playback...why does QuickTime team insist people paying for basic features? I would have thought that with the new QuickTime APIs and the fact that it's easier to write a movie player that Apple would provide QuickTime Player as is without the fuss and mess of registration to gain basic features.

No wonder QuickTime is not liked on the PC side (and Mac side), you need to pay 30+ dollars to get something as basic as fullscreen playback when every other movie player on the planet offers this for free.
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On an aesthetic level I agree with those who say that brushed metal is of questionable quality. But I do however like the style of buttons that metal-windows brought to to table. The navigation buttons in Safari and the Panther Finder, for example. These are in contrast to the icons that aqua uses which are more colorful and space-consuming. However, with this third theme it appears that Apple have found a style in which both the brushed metal-buttons and the aqua-icons can work in the same environment. In the Tiger System Preferences window, for instance, Apple uses the brushed metal-buttons, and in the new Tiger Mail-interface the standard aqua-icons reside.
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Originally posted by Gavriel
To Kasper et al AppleInsider Staff: Thanks for your hard work covering Tigers evolution! I much enjoy following the progress Apple is making.

Also, I have a question: With Spotlight now occupying the top-right corner of the menubar, where has the Fast User Switching-menu gone? Is it located in the Apple-menu or somewhere else?

That's a good question. I'll try to provided an illustrated answer this week

The input menu has changed.....

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Fullscreen, looping video, and all that stuff should not be 'Pro' features. Anyone can write a freeware app that does these...why does QuickTime team insist people paying for basic features?

Applescript can access most QT Pro features without needing a Pro license. I imagine that it's not hard to tap into this stuff with your own application.

Kasper.... fixing links too?

I managed to pullup the QT Pro screenshot last night by fiddling with the filename in the link, but it doesn't work this morning. It showed a "Pro" tag next to all grayed out menu options that require QT Pro. Doens't seem that nice, but I'd take it over the QT Pro ad when the app opens. Please tell me that's gone, Kasper!
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Fullscreen, looping video, and all that stuff should not be 'Pro' features. Anyone can write a freeware app that does these...why does QuickTime team insist people paying for basic features?

While I agree with you that those very basic features should have been free, especially since Apple *should* strive to make QT-encoded content the first choice for both streaming video and digital image content in general, I hardly think that this decision comes from within the QT Team, but rather from higher-ups within Apple.
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Thanks in advance, Kasper!

But what ever did you mean when you said that the input menu has changed?
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I too hope the selecting a grayed-out "Pro" menu item triggers the ad instead of it randomly popping up once a week (or whatever) when it does.

That "Full screen" is a "Pro" feature is really just incredible. Editing, adv looping, export to various media... fine. But full screen? Lame.
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Thanks in advance, Kasper!

But what ever did you mean when you said that the input menu has changed?

The input menu... used to show up as country flag in the titlebar, ya know?

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What's your thoughts on that, Kickaha? I'm thinking it should probably go in the Apple-menu but your oppinion on the matter would be appreciated! I'm asking since I know your research is in UI-development.

Actually, my primary research area is software engineering and programming semantics analysis... I just do the UI stuff for kicks. But thanks though.

Placing FUS in the Apple menu has some logic to it - it affects the whole computer, it is congruent with 'Log Out' which is there already, etc, etc.

But.

The items on the right side of the menu bar are convenience items for the most part, not essentials. They provide a UI into, or data, that can be found elsewhere. (Ironically, Spotlight kind of breaks that.) The name of the current login at a glance is a very nice thing to have sitting there as an important bit of information regarding the current environment.

Left side of menu bar = controls
Right side of menu bar = convenience widgets/data

There is an argument to be made for either placement, but I think that the presentation of the current logged in user nudges it to the right side.
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Tiger is coming along really nicely. I can't wait for its release; it looks to be the best OSX yet.

What is startling, though, is how pathetic the iterations on iCal are looking. Mail looks much better and has tons of new features, and yet iCal still looks terrible and has a comical feature set.

Why is Apple doing this to iCal? What is their research tells them that coordinating calendars for the business market or for families is not an important part of the digital hub.

It's sad actually. I hope Apple gets with the programs and gives us a solid update for iCal.
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Why is Apple doing this to iCal? What is their research tells them that coordinating calendars for the business market or for families is not an important part of the digital hub.

That's what .Mac is for, for consumers.

Business folks can grab a copy of MacOS X Server and easily create their own WebDAV server for such sharing.

What else do you want to see in there?

And you have forwarded those ideas to Apple already, right?
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The input menu... used to show up as country flag in the titlebar, ya know?


After whining (mildly) for the past two years about not always wanting a little U.S. flag up in my menu bar all the time just to access the Character Palette and Keyboard Viewer, all of a sudden I miss the dear l'il icons. \

But the new icon *is* more menu extra-like and representative (if a wee bit alphabet soupy).

I'm proud to represent conflicting user desire.
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Point me to a user without conflicting desires, and I'll rename it 'corpse'.

I'm kind of surprised they used the full abbreviation, and not the ISO country code. What are they going to do for say, Mexico? Mex.? A two-letter code that is consistent with Internet addressing would seem to be a natural here.

Yeah, it's a small thing, but...
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That's what .Mac is for, for consumers.

Business folks can grab a copy of MacOS X Server and easily create their own WebDAV server for such sharing.

What else do you want to see in there?

And you have forwarded those ideas to Apple already, right?

Consumers, true. And small and medium businesses too. It's not really a .Mac thing, it's the program itself.

Yes, over the past year I have sent pages of notes to Apple on iCal, with suggestions ranging from how to have proper tasks to grouping of calendars so you don't have 100 subscribed calendars from 10 people.

I'm doing my part to help, not just complaining here at AI.
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Point me to a user without conflicting desires, and I'll rename it 'corpse'.

I'm kind of surprised they used the full abbreviation, and not the ISO country code. What are they going to do for say, Mexico? Mex.? A two-letter code that is consistent with Internet addressing would seem to be a natural here.

Yeah, it's a small thing, but...

You've submitted that idea to Apple, right?

I for one am glad the Input Menu is more menu extra-y. 3rd-party menu extra hacks that don't follow guidelines aside, all of the menu extra followed the guidelines except the Input Menu, which made it stick out like a sore thumb.

And the little flag icons were ugly at best...I don't mind if the colorful flag icons live within the menu but the menubar icon should respect the 'black on white' guideline.
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Family Controls

The Family Controls panel appears in the "Accounts" preference pane and offers configuration options for the Mac OS X Finder, Safari, iChat, and most recently Mail. The simplistic configuration panels for iChat and Mail allow instant messages and e-mail correspondences to be restricted to a specified list of screen names and email address. An additional Mail option appears to offer a means of moderating a user's access to e-mail messages by allowing an administrator to approve email address or messages as they arrive.

Screenshots: Family Controls; iChat Config; Mail Config; Finder Config

Configuring Safari with limitations works similarly, but takes place within the browsers preference pane rather than from \tinside the Account panel. Administrators simply manage a list of web sites or domain names that the user is permitted to access. Finder configuration controls remain similar to those found in Mac OS X Panther, with the addition an option to allow for supporting programs and printer administration privileges.

What I'd like to see in Tiger is a way to not restrict access to certain applications or setting some privilleges thereof but to conviniently configure a user's settings. Imagine that as an admin when creating a new user account you could configure the e-mail-servers used by mail and other programms' preferences from one single application so the new user can start without the need to configure anything.

This would also be cool for administring a lot of user accounts in a business environment. There might be a solution included in the server version of OS X - I have never had the chance to work with that - which could easily be ported to the workstation version.
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Point me to a user without conflicting desires, and I'll rename it 'corpse'.



Nice defense of FUS on the right side, btw.
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Thenk yew.

I'm not saying it's absolutely the right place for it, but on the balance I'd rather it be there than hidden in the Apple Menu.
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