History, Please Forgive Us  

I truly understand your feelings. In a short term this is not good.
In the long term who knows ?

Bush have left an heritage : the Irak war and the national debt. Kerry would have been in trouble to try to fix this issues, because honestly it won't be a cakewalk. Bush will have to fix the mess he create himself. That's a good thing in the long term for democrats.

Yes, taking the responsibility for the fuck-up he made.

I'm kinda glad he got in.

Bible-thumping warmongers, they tried it before, it was called the dark-ages.

I don't know what to say.

I really thought you'd get it right this time.
To all of you who made an effort; I really feel for you.

Thanks. Looks like I'll stay here for at least another four years.

That's your problem. The majority of AMERICANS rejected your allegedly superior view of the world. Unfortunately as this election has clearly illustrated, your point of view does not reflect those held by most Americans so don't condemn them for having a different view. We are in no way inferior - just different. So go ahead and cry - you won't get any sympathy from me. We had to take four years of your ridiculous lies and toally unfounded accusations and it is now clear that there has been a quiet but very audible backlash against your petty partisan ways.

No. The majority of voting Americans. And yes, I know that's the fault of the idiotic non-voting Americans as much as it is the fault of that idiotic majority of voting Americans.

most of you guys posting in this thread act so UN-American, that i thought that you were european socialists, before i looked at the "From" part of yer user info...

Seems to me that many americans won't vote a president out of office during a war. That's pretty orwellian if you ask me...

> The majority of AMERICANS rejected your allegedly superior view of the world


I still can't understand how WAR could be superior to PEACE !?!?

Terrorism is not the ony problem Americans have to face (public health care system, unemployment) but it's a shame to vote for G.W.Bush who killed 1000's of US soldiers and 100 000's of civil iraqi people for nothing.

Why nothing ? US won't be more secure after the war than before (it's quite the same for the other coutries). Terrorism will still exist: this war was unnecessary.

Ah, its all starting to come back.

Die Fahne hoch, die Reihen fest geschlossen
S.A. marschiert mit ruhig festem Schritt
Kam'raden, die Rotfront und Reaktion erschossen
Marschier'n im Geist in unsern Reihen mit

Die Strasse frei den braunen Bataillonen
Die Strasse frei dem Sturmabteilungsmann
Es schau'n aufs Hakenkreuz voll Hoffnung schon Millionen
Der Tag für Freiheit und für Brot bricht an

Zum letzen Mal wird nun Appell geblasen
Zum Kampfe steh'n wir alle schon bereit
Bald flattern Hitler-fahnen über allen Strassen
Die Knechtschaft dauert nur mehr kurze Zeit

Die Fahne hoch, die Reihen fest geschlossen
S.A. marschiert mit ruhig festem Schritt
Kam'raden, die Rotfront und Reaktion erschossen
Marschier'n im Geist in unsern Reihen mit

(English Translation)
Flag high, ranks closed,
The S.A. marches with silent solid steps.
Comrades shot by the Red Front and reaction
march in spirit with us in our ranks.

The street free for the brown battalions,
The street free for the Storm Troopers.
Millions, full of hope, look up at the swastika;
The day breaks for freedom and for bread.

For the last time the call will now be blown;
For the struggle now we all stand ready.
Soon will fly Hitler-flags over every street;
Slavery will last only a short time longer.

Flag high, ranks closed,
The S.A. marches with silent solid steps.
Comrades shot by the Red Front and reaction
march in spirit with us in our ranks.

Silly blind countrymen, don't you know tricks are for kids! Hunting imaginary terrorist is just the beginning.

Aaah..... The Horst Wessel song

Yep, takes you back....

.......or forward.

@Relic

you know, I don't agree with Bush's polietics either. But starting to drag up the Horst Wessel Lied is more then a tad over the top, really.

The good thing that may come from this is that the NASA Mars program might still recive the funding that it needs. :-/

Ah well, we'll have to wait and see I guess.

Yeah, you're probably right. I just cant help but feel Ive seen this show before.

fas·cism
Pronunciation: 'fa-"shi-z&m
Function: noun
1 often capitalized : a political philosophy, movement, or regime that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition.

The people have spoken. America is turning to the right and returning to our Christian values. We are rejecting the secular European socialist ways of thinking. The people made a stand yesterday. The President has a vote of support. The people like what he is doing. I know that is hard for the left that spent its time and money ranting about the President and why we should all hate him. Truth is we like him and we like the things he does.

I do not disagree with this at all. I think every word of it is true (not the spelling and spacing issues, of course, but the point is clear).

The only difference between you and I is that you seem to look at that as a good thing.

It is the final abandonment of reason and the surrender to emotionalism.

I only hope that in four years time there's still a way back and no irreversible damage has been done.

Btw - is it really all over for Kerry ? Even though Ohio isn't in ?

Yes, it is over for Kerry. It was over for Kerry before it started. Anyone who thought he actually had a chance was just being delusional (no offense intended).

It took a Herculean effort on the part of the Democratic party for Kerry to "only" lose the popular vote by 4 million. This country wants George.

A dark day for america. The ones who voted for Bush deserve what they get in the next four years ( and it won't be pretty ). Our economic " recovery " is already starting to sputter. The problem is the rest of us don't deserve this. And before you Bush lovers crow too loud it wasn't a landslide.

She stands in the face of Jewry
and will not lose hope or faith
Deutchland, the land of unity
Still the home of the strong.

Chorus
So raise the Bundesflagge, our Glory
Let us join our fellow German
History will write the story,
Deutchland will always stand.

Walking through the fires of danger
There are those who gave their lives
They're the world's greatest heroes,
And we won't forget their sacrifice.

Chorus
So raise the Bundesflagge, our Glory
Let us join our fellow German
History will write the story,
Deutchland will always stand.

Deutchland is not divided
Our enemies they will be stopped.
For, the Aryan people are united
And still, one nation under the Führer.

Chorus
So raise the Bundesflagge, our Glory
Let us join our fellow German
History will write the story,
Deutchland will always stand.

(c) Randy Travis

This is the USA. We have presidents limited to 2 terms, not Kings forever. If you could take it for 4 years, you could take it for another 4 years.

In the meanwhile, the Democratic party has to start over from the ground up, much like Dean's effort. Democrats have to run for lowly school councils, sheriffsm comissioners and judgeships. I was embarrassed to see Democrats only field candidates for the judgeships on my ballot. That shouldn't be happening.

And what better war for that purpose than the War on Terror?

Any war chosen at random from any conflict ever fought - from little Johnny's scrap with the schoolground bully to the Battle of the Bulge.

What you seem incapable of assimilating is that terror is not a monolithic entity but is a methodology, it is a weapon a military technique.

You might as well declare war on the Pincer Movement' or 'Blitzkrieg' as opposed to the people who use these methods.

And yes, I know that's what Bush did and will continue to do and why the perpetrators of terror are on the loose. Just because it sounds good. Who cares if it doesn't work ?

Churchill: forget about the Germans - this is a war on the Messerschmitt 101.

my wife and i were at a get-together of other democrats in the little town of hammond, louisiana, and we all watched as the polls came in and the electoral votes kept stacking up, then each state went for bush through the south, like dominoes.

half of my friends live in columbus, ohio, after our two years living there. one friend stood in line yesterday morning for two and a half hours. but still, it was, in the end, just one vote.

michael moore caught a lot of flack for calling america the dumbest country on earth, but when moral issues are the key exit polling issue, when the government shouldn't even be dictating moral issues, you have to wonder if he has a point.

and from now on, any democrat running for office? take my advice: f!ck the youth vote. 10-12%?!?! are you f'n kidding me? that's beyond pathetic. it's embarassing. rock the vote, smackdown the vote. ah, screw it. the only people you have to aim for are people 40 years old or higher, because they will turn out in droves. mind you, i used to think that there should be a law requiring voting. but as i stood in line yesterday, i realized that i don't. because i was happy to see lots of people voting, despite whatever they would be voting for. and that kind of feeling cannot occur when everyone's just doing it because they'll be fined or something if they don't.

well, folks, republican held house, senate, congress, presidency, with an assured new supreme court appointment in the next four years by w.

No wondering about it. It's been true for a long time. Not in the entire world, of course, but definitely among Western industrial powers. Our populace is quite disturbing.

You guys are being VERY sore loosers, it would be better if you didn't post. To equate Bush with Hitler marks you with the characteristic hatred that is marking the left more and more.

For all you lefties out there here is what you should be worried about: Bush was as 'damaged goods' as he could be, what with Farenheit 911, Richard Clark, Paul O'Neil, and a partidge in a pear tree casting EVERY dispersion on his methods and intentions that could have POSSIBLY been cast.

What do you think the score would have been had Iraq been going well? Where do you think the country is aligned right-left if you remove the strife surrounding the war on terror and Micheal Moore's mental mastrubation? I'll bet it's not a 51-48 split -- the country is shifting to the right regardless what John Bonjovi and 'The Boss' tells you what to think.

There's always Sweden! At least Osama says they're being good little boys and girls -- maybe you guys could get green cards and build Volvo's? I hear the porn is really good.....all the modern conveniences...and no Bible thumpers to ruin the fun. Get going if you can't play and be good sports while still adhereing to at least election rules, if not the rules of logic.

you know, therein lies something that truly, to my core, pisses me off... so many people approach this crap like it's the friggin' yankees/red sox. don't you get it? this isn't a sports rivalry. it's our goddamned government!

now, i do not agree that i am ashamed to be american. try living in canada while the rest of the world is dogging your home country and you'll realize how american you really are. i was red, white and blue before it was cool to be so. but i am sick and f'n tired of this being a "side vs. side" issue, like it's some sort of ohio state/michigan annual. i am sick of being painted as some sort of baby-eating, terrorist-loving, anti-troop, tax-'em-to-the-heavens kind of person because i stand against the president.

I love watching whining bedwetters try to rationalize the outright rejection of their "high-minded" and intellectually arrogant utopian ideals.

Liberalism lost, and it lost BIG. Not only Kerry lost, but eeeeeevil Republicans ADDED seats in the US Congress. This with a crappy economy, war, and the Ghost of 2000.

Do your best to explain, deal with your loss, and insult the clear will of your fellow citizens. Democracy works. It's just sour grapes that the "idiots" in fly-over country didn't buy the BS from an arrogant Massachusetts liberal. By over 3,000,000 votes.

Thanks for a great race, America. Let's move forward with tax cuts, a strong war on terror, and a return to republic-an ideals.

W: Valid thru 2009.

Only in the US and Saudi Arabia is liberal a bad word...

Actually, I'm calling Nationalism "Nationalism" and rally songs "rally songs".

I would never equate Bush with Hitler.

Hitler was intelligent.

Therefore that would make Cheney the Hitler in your little analogy. Let's give credit for intelligence where it's due. Evil or not.

I love America. And I see the rot in it's government. Showing me tallys of the blind doesn't convince me otherwise.

Randy Travis et al would have done well in Germany.

(For the non-US residents: My "Deutchland will always stand" song was a slightly altered/Nazified Randy Travis song to show the point of what a fine line we tread between good and evil with regard to patriotism. He's a country singer here in the USA. Original lyrics are in the link of his name in that post)

If they had voted YOUR way, they would not be so blind, no?

EXTRA sour for your tastes...

"My side" can see the limbs lost by this useless war on our return troops.

"My side" can SEE the coffins coming in everyday DESPITE RUMSFELD FORBIDDING THEIR BEING SHOWN BY THE MEDIA.

"My side" can see women being the sole providers for families who've lost their husbands due to this needless war.

"My side" sees flag waving instead of rational thought from its fellow citizens.

Yes, "My side" is indeed not blind. Had some of your side seen the light we'd be better off.

Shove your grapes. I've been like this since 9/11 or earlier. Lucid and livid.

Seeing Bush win is as shocking as seeing kids eat their own snot.
Bitter? No. Disgusted? You bet.

quote: It is the final abandonment of reason and the surrender to emotionalism.

huh?

Liberalism is the surrender to emotionalism, not conservatism.

Liberalism is all about making the liberal fell better about himself, whether it helps the populace or not.

Conservatism is about helping people grow and become better by demanding that people live up to their potential.

Liberals like Stalin killed 60 million people to benefit his party. Chinese liberals have killed millions. Central-government-loving liberals have killed hundreds of millions in the last century.

Yeah, that's reasonable and logical.

Liberalism must be destroyed.

War is a terrible thing, john. We all agree.

We can fight them there or fight them here. The victims of 9/11, including many of my colleagues, had no choice in the matter.
Their widows are sole prodivers now, too.

Iraq had nothing to do with terrorism or 9/11. Until Bush made it a magnet.

Ye haw. Round up all them sand niggers. Kill 'em all. Let Allah sort them out.

That...is my country. For another 4 years.

Just a quick smite with the clue stick: Stalin was not ... uh ... 'liberal.' He was one of the most illilberal head of states the world has ever seen.

Liberalism is about things like human rights. Liberals are against things like PATRIOT. Conservatism would have conserved slavery, liberals would have removed it first.

Do you get it?

Stalin was liberal? What?

Do you?

Here's the clue stick back atcha... a REPUBLICAN ended slavery in the US.

Yes, a REPUBLICAN freed my peeps!