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post #41 of 209
Quote:
Originally posted by jccbin
Liberalism is the surrender to emotionalism, not conservatism. Liberalism is all about making the liberal fell better about himself, whether it helps the populace or not.

um, this coming from the party whose last candidate who still saw a compassionate concern for the poor was richard m. nixon? a party whose driving voting force is founded in the visceral outcries against gay marriage because the bible says so?

and it's the LIBERALS who are emotionalists?

f'n wake up.
When you're lovers in a dangerous time,
You're made to feel as if your love's a crime.
Nothing worth having comes without some kind of fight.
Gotta kick at the darkness 'til it bleeds daylight.

-...
When you're lovers in a dangerous time,
You're made to feel as if your love's a crime.
Nothing worth having comes without some kind of fight.
Gotta kick at the darkness 'til it bleeds daylight.

-...
post #42 of 209
Quote:
Originally posted by Jubelum
Do you?

Here's the clue stick back atcha... a REPUBLICAN ended slavery in the US.

Yes, a REPUBLICAN freed my peeps!


yes, pal, and the republicans abandoned the whole "party of lincoln" when johnson won and the south embraced social conservativism in its wake. but in clasic style, your memory extends as far as the last week of reality t.v.

lincoln would be ashamed of what has become of his party. period.
When you're lovers in a dangerous time,
You're made to feel as if your love's a crime.
Nothing worth having comes without some kind of fight.
Gotta kick at the darkness 'til it bleeds daylight.

-...
When you're lovers in a dangerous time,
You're made to feel as if your love's a crime.
Nothing worth having comes without some kind of fight.
Gotta kick at the darkness 'til it bleeds daylight.

-...
post #43 of 209
I actually thought that post was irony...

...what irony...
Bill Bradley to comedian Bill Cosby: "Bill, you are a comic, tell us a joke!"
- "Senator, you are a politician, first tell us a lie!"
Bill Bradley to comedian Bill Cosby: "Bill, you are a comic, tell us a joke!"
- "Senator, you are a politician, first tell us a lie!"
post #44 of 209
Quote:
Originally posted by rok

lincoln would be ashamed of what has become of his party. period.

While you are speaking for the dead... what does Elvis think about all this. LMFAO!


WWLD? What would Lincoln do?

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post #45 of 209
Quote:
Originally posted by Jubelum
While you are speaking for the dead... what does Elvis think about all this. LMFAO!


WWLD? What would Lincoln do?


i speak for the dead as much as you do...
When you're lovers in a dangerous time,
You're made to feel as if your love's a crime.
Nothing worth having comes without some kind of fight.
Gotta kick at the darkness 'til it bleeds daylight.

-...
When you're lovers in a dangerous time,
You're made to feel as if your love's a crime.
Nothing worth having comes without some kind of fight.
Gotta kick at the darkness 'til it bleeds daylight.

-...
post #46 of 209
"tallys of the blind"

More like "tallys of the terrified".

"You can't win the war on terror." so the saying goes.

Eternal war. War without end. Hm....

"It does not matter whether the war is actually happening, and, since no decisive victory is possible, it does not matter whether the war is going well or badly. All that is needed is that a state of war should exist." eg

Hmmm...all branches of government under one party. "Patriotic media" treated as the only 'fair and balanced" source of news.

Screw terrorism. We're headed for outright wars with real superpowers like E.U and Russia and China. Why are they going to stand by and watch the U.S. do a mideast powergrab? "Better to fight them there than here".

Draft is on the way. Mark my words. (If you think volunteerism is up with a stop loss in effect for so long, you're a fool).

We will expand into Syria and Iran. "Better to fight them there than here".
"The Roots of Violence: wealth without work, pleasure without conscience, knowledge without character, commerce without morality, science without humanity, worship without sacrifice, politics...
"The Roots of Violence: wealth without work, pleasure without conscience, knowledge without character, commerce without morality, science without humanity, worship without sacrifice, politics...
post #47 of 209
Conservatives support self-sufficiency. Conservatives want to empower people to stand up on their own feet and succeed. Conservatives have confidence in people. The Democrats for a very long time have ridden the "we will take care of you" wagon. They have used this to capture the blue color and especially the minority vote. This is outdated. Today's men and woman of color want to achieve and cut out their own slice of pie. They don't want to eat the kitchen scraps that the Democrats give them for their vote. Im so tired of the Democrats with their " you poor people we will help you line". All that the Democrats have done is hold people back from being what they have the ability to be.

In the international arena, conservatives trust in themselves and in America and the American people. Conservatives don't think that America needs to sit in the corner and wait for some sleepy eyed European to give us their nod of approval. No! We are right! Our moves may not always be popular, but we follow our logic and our morals and we do what we believe to be right. America must take care of America and Americans first.

The people liked this message and they spat back the same old liberal Democratic mush.
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post #48 of 209
Quote:
Originally posted by jccbin
huh?

Liberalism is the surrender to emotionalism, not conservatism.

Liberalism is all about making the liberal fell better about himself, whether it helps the populace or not.

Conservatism is about helping people grow and become better by demanding that people live up to their potential.

This just proves how out of touch we are with what words really mean. We've assigned values to "liberal" and "conservative" that have nothing to do with the real meanings of liberal and conservative. We've managed to co-opt our language, how we communicate with emotional ideas, moral relativism and irrational semantics.
post #49 of 209
Quote:
Originally posted by rok
i speak for the dead as much as you do...

Is that referring to all of the cemetery precincts that went squarely for Gore? Gore won the dead Native American vote.

At least Kerry didn't court the dead vote like Gore. He courted the theatrical vote: Mary Poppins, et al.
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post #50 of 209
Quote:
Originally posted by johnq
Showing me tallys of the blind doesn't convince me otherwise.


You know I know exactly what you mean, when when the left's darling Micheal Moore's talking points are THE SAME as Osama Bin Laden, when

Quote:
members of Hezbollah have asked us if theres any way they could support the film. [ed. Farenheit 911]

It might just be time to get a handle on where this seamless hatred is coming from.

Nice -- more grace, less hatred people!

In our desire to impose form on the world we have lost the capacity to see the form that is there;
and in that lies not liberation but alienation, the cutting off from things as they really are. --...

In our desire to impose form on the world we have lost the capacity to see the form that is there;
and in that lies not liberation but alienation, the cutting off from things as they really are. --...

post #51 of 209
<opens trumpet case, plays "Fanfare for the Common Man">

It's morning in America!
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post #52 of 209
Quote:
Originally posted by Common Man
Conservatives support self-sufficiency. Conservatives want to empower people to stand up on their own feet and succeed. Conservatives have confidence in people. The Democrats for a very long time have ridden the "we will take care of you" wagon. They have used this to capture the blue color and especially the minority vote. This is outdated. Today's men and woman of color want to achieve and cut out their own slice of pie. They don't want to eat the kitchen scraps that the Democrats give them for their vote. Im so tired of the Democrats with their " you poor people we will help you line". All that the Democrats have done is hold people back from being what they have the ability to be.

In the international arena, conservatives trust in themselves and in America and the American people. Conservatives don't think that America needs to sit in the corner and wait for some sleepy eyed European to give us their nod of approval. No! We are right! Our moves may not always be popular, but we follow our logic and our morals and we do what we believe to be right. America must take care of America and Americans first.

The people liked this message and they spat back the same old liberal Democratic mush.

look, common man, for as much as i have disagreed with you on these boards, i think you have matured int he span of your attendance. and i think you speak rightly on several counts. and i agree that america must take care of america first.

but i, like many, don't think that taking out saddam and gettign stuck in iraq was looking out for america. the evidence keeps piling up that it wasn't even right. in fact, it seemed at the font end, and after the fact, to be the emotionally right thing to do. and we do have to recognize that, while we don't have to listen to others int he world, we have to respect the fact that we have to live with them. you may work with asses, but telling them off is not exactly key to job security.

the democratic party has now officially painted itself into a corner that may take a generationt o get out of. no campaign can be run now without taking a negative "what's wrong with america" stance, which never works well, and only adds to the division.

the one bright spot here that i can think is that kerry would have had an impossible task getting ANYthing done with the republican held house, senate and congress, and would have been viewed in 2008 as a stonewaller incapable of making any real progress. as bill maher told dean, "the best thing for you is is w wins. you're young, and people's memories are stupidly short, and you'll have four more years to make a case." but honestly, if mccain runs in 2008, the democrats may as well wait ANOTHER 8 years...
When you're lovers in a dangerous time,
You're made to feel as if your love's a crime.
Nothing worth having comes without some kind of fight.
Gotta kick at the darkness 'til it bleeds daylight.

-...
When you're lovers in a dangerous time,
You're made to feel as if your love's a crime.
Nothing worth having comes without some kind of fight.
Gotta kick at the darkness 'til it bleeds daylight.

-...
post #53 of 209
I hate America and am going to move to Canada when I graduate.
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post #54 of 209
Quote:
Originally posted by Common Man
The people have spoken. America is turning to the right and returning to our Christian values. We are rejecting the secular European socialist ways of thinking. The people made a stand yesterday. The President has a vote of support. The people like what he is doing. I know that is hard for the left that spent its time and money ranting about the President and why we should all hate him. Truth is we like him and we like the things he does.

It's funny; my forefathers left Europe to America to escape religious persecution and regain a little more rights for the individual. Two hundred sum years later I left America to return to Europe to escape religious (liberal ideas) persecution and regain a little more rights for the individual.

George Bush is not a Christian he is a Christian Fascist, using Christian ideology as a front, an Elitist. He doesnt give two shits about the American people and is creating a world of apathy and fear. How people follow him or get inspired by his dribble is beyond me, his speech skills are those of a dyslexic 12 year old. HE WILL NOT MAKE AMERICA SAFIER! If anything, he is the poster child for future terrorist joiners and leaders. He is fighting evil with evil, which will create more EVIL.

No use continuing the choice is made; I'll just pray you or your kids arent one of those who get randomly picked for the draft. Yes draft, with US looking at Iran next you cant trust are already thinned out troops to cope.
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post #55 of 209
Quote:
Originally posted by Jubelum
Do you?

Here's the clue stick back atcha... a REPUBLICAN ended slavery in the US.

Yes, a REPUBLICAN freed my peeps!



After REPUBLICANS fought a war known as THE CIVIL WAR.

And Stalin liberal? Who's comiing to the bookstore with me? I'm gonna go and buy 58 million dictionaries for jccbin and other satellites.
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post #56 of 209
Quote:
Originally posted by Aquatic
I hate America and am going to move to Canada when I graduate.

Need help with the bus fare?
Let me know.

Please, when you go, take Michael Moore back with you. We're done with him. Thanks.
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post #57 of 209
Quote:
Originally posted by Jubelum
Do you?

Here's the clue stick back atcha... a REPUBLICAN ended slavery in the US.

Yes, a REPUBLICAN freed my peeps!


Lincoln was the Commander in Chief when the horrible acts of the Long Walk were perpetrated on the Navajo. The entire campaign against the Indian was to make safe passage for the railroads and secure the land for population. Lincoln was the chief lawyer for many of the railroads before he was elected president.

Lincoln also presided over the largest mass execution of American Indians with the hanging of the Santee Sioux in Minnesota.

He freed slaves yes, it was probably to make amends for helping wipe out another though.
When I looked up "Ninjas" in Thesaurus.com, it said "Ninja's can't be found" Well played Ninjas, well played.
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post #58 of 209
Quote:
Originally posted by Relic
Lincoln was the Commander in Chief when the horrible acts of the Long Walk were perpetrated on the Navajo. The entire campaign against the Indian was to make safe passage for the railroads and secure the land for population. Lincoln was the chief lawyer for many of the railroads before he was elected president.

Lincoln also presided over the largest mass execution of American Indians with the hanging of the Santee Sioux in Minnesota.

He freed slaves yes, it was probably to make amends for helping wipe out another though.

An excellent point I concede.


(Kerry is conceding as we speak...)
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post #59 of 209
I too am ashamed and angered by what America is doing in Iraq. That alone was enough for me to vote against Bush. Unfortunately, most American voters are clueless about how bad Bush's decision was to invade of Iraq. They simply don't understand that tens of thousands of civilians are dieing. These civilians have millions of friends and relatives... who now are willing to die while fighting America's empirialism.

The war in Iraq was unjustified from the start and the whole world knew this except for us. Now we see that they were right, inspections were keeping Sadam in check and an invasion of Iraq would actually create more instability and terrorism.

I hope that history is kind to us but right now it looks like we are this generation's evil empire. We are the war mongers invading and occupying other countries, countries that have never attacked us. Since Tom Brokah wrote a book called 'The Greateset Generation' maybe he'll do a sequal, 'The Worst Generation'.

To the rest of the world, I appologize for my country's actions.

Hopefully we won't keep up the trend of invading any country that might someday possible be a threat maybe.
post #60 of 209
Quote:
Originally posted by Jubelum
Do you?

Here's the clue stick back atcha... a REPUBLICAN ended slavery in the US.

Yes, a REPUBLICAN freed my peeps!


Uh once again. Clue, meet stick.

Lincoln was a Republican, and guess what... a LIBERAL!!! **Gasp**
post #61 of 209
Quote:
Originally posted by dfiler

To the rest of the world, I appologize for my country's actions.

To the rest of the voters, we on AI apologize for dfiler's post.
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post #62 of 209
Quote:
Originally posted by Relic
It's funny; my forefathers left Europe to America to escape religious persecution and regain a little more rights for the individual. Two hundred sum years later I left America to return to Europe to escape religious (liberal ideas) persecution and regain a little more rights for the individual.

George Bush is not a Christian he is a Christian Fascist, using Christian ideology as a front, an Elitist. He doesnt give two shits about the American people and is creating a world of apathy and fear. How people follow him or get inspired by his dribble is beyond me, his speech skills are those of a dyslexic 12 year old. HE WILL NOT MAKE AMERICA SAFIER! If anything, he is the poster child for future terrorist joiners and leaders. He is fighting evil with evil, which will create more EVIL.

No use continuing the choice is made; I'll just pray you or your kids arent one of those who get randomly picked for the draft. Yes draft, with US looking at Iran next you cant trust are already thinned out troops to cope.

Get a clue man. There is not a single solitary thing that you said that is true. Quit crying and get your head out of the sand and be realistic because you really look foolish right now. Can't Democrats lose with any grace at all?
post #63 of 209
Quote:
Originally posted by 7E7
Get a clue man. There is not a single solitary thing that you said that is true. Quit crying and get your head out of the sand and be realistic because you really look foolish right now. Can't Democrats lose with any grace at all?

Can I buy a vowel?
First, I'm not a Democrat; dont believe in a two party system. Second, this is an Internet board I can be as silly and foolish as I want with little or no sand irritation. Third, I know you are but what am I!
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post #64 of 209
Quote:
Originally posted by dfiler
I too am ashamed and angered by what America is doing in Iraq. That alone was enough for me to vote against Bush. Unfortunately, most American voters are clueless about how bad Bush's decision was to invade of Iraq. They simply don't understand that tens of thousands of civilians are dieing. These civilians have millions of friends and relatives... who now are willing to die while fighting America's empirialism.

The war in Iraq was unjustified from the start and the whole world knew this except for us. Now we see that they were right, inspections were keeping Sadam in check and an invasion of Iraq would actually create more instability and terrorism.

I hope that history is kind to us but right now it looks like we are this generation's evil empire. We are the war mongers invading and occupying other countries, countries that have never attacked us. Since Tom Brokah wrote a book called 'The Greateset Generation' maybe he'll do a sequal, 'The Worst Generation'.

To the rest of the world, I appologize for my country's actions.

Hopefully we won't keep up the trend of invading any country that might someday possible be a threat maybe.

More ridiculous spin. Iraqi citizens support the United States and want to take control of their country back from Saddam Hussein. Why would they keep lining up at military and police recruiting centers even after their colleagues are being killed in these terrorist bombings? They know that terrorism is their enemy too and to that end we are fighting it together.

The bottom line of this election is this. The American people totally rejected the horrible campaign that the Kerry campaign ran. You cannot win an election by lying and distorting what the facts of the situation really are. And you cannot win by an election by only talking about the other candidate without clearly defining what it is you are for. Of course when the candidate is a guy like John Kerry there is now way you can run a campaign that will appeal to most Americans because his record simply is not something that translates beyond his Massachusetts sphere of influence. There were way too many mistakes for them to overcome and the bill came due yesterday.
post #65 of 209
Quote:
Originally posted by Aquatic
I hate America and am going to move to Canada when I graduate.

but that is so NOT the answer. sure, i could move from louisiana to a state more equal in its party balance, but preaching to the choir, and volunteering as part of the choir, is what is building the wall between people as we speak.

if you care about change, making a blue state more blue (or, to stay non-partisan, red state more red) doesn't help anyone.
When you're lovers in a dangerous time,
You're made to feel as if your love's a crime.
Nothing worth having comes without some kind of fight.
Gotta kick at the darkness 'til it bleeds daylight.

-...
When you're lovers in a dangerous time,
You're made to feel as if your love's a crime.
Nothing worth having comes without some kind of fight.
Gotta kick at the darkness 'til it bleeds daylight.

-...
post #66 of 209
Quote:
Originally posted by 7E7
Iraqi citizens support the United States and want to take control of their country back from Saddam Hussein.

It's unbelievable how nonsensical one simple 18 word statement can be - and in so many wildly varying ways.

I'm on 5 howlers already and still counting....
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post #67 of 209
Jubelum, how could you vote for a so-called christian who invaded Iraq ?

The war is still unjustified. President Bush is accountable/guilty for killing over 1000 US soldiers, and probably more than 100 000 INNOCENT civilians.


Common Man,
Consevatives seem to be proud about their president, because he forces upon the "right" decision against UN and the other countries.

"Conservatives don't think that America needs to sit in the corner and wait for some sleepy eyed European to give us their nod of approval. No! We are right! Our moves may not always be popular, but we follow our logic and our morals and we do what we believe to be right. America must take care of America and Americans first. "

Conservatives seem to be very selfish human beings: you need no approval to kill innocent people ? Of course not. "We are right", all the others are wrong

Saying "We are right" when there's no connection between 9/11 and Iraqi people who were killed is a shame.
US had absolutely NO right to invade Iraq
post #68 of 209
Quote:
Originally posted by rok
but that is so NOT the answer. sure, i could move from louisiana to a state more equal in its party balance, but preaching to the choir, and volunteering as part of the choir, is what is building the wall between people as we speak.

if you care about change, making a blue state more blue (or, to stay non-partisan, red state more red) doesn't help anyone.


You should move to Switzerland, It's a great place to live. There's just something about a place where you can role a joint in public with out the fear of persecution. Ooh, what are also great are issues like homo-weddings are left in the hands of the individual Canton (mini-state). We also actually have a health care program with little to no waiting in the hospitals, and the best of part of all is when Im 60 there will be actual money in my retirement fund.
When I looked up "Ninjas" in Thesaurus.com, it said "Ninja's can't be found" Well played Ninjas, well played.
When I looked up "Ninjas" in Thesaurus.com, it said "Ninja's can't be found" Well played Ninjas, well played.
post #69 of 209
> You cannot win an election by lying and distorting what the facts of the situation really are.

Of course you can: Mr Bush already won.
post #70 of 209
Quote:
Originally posted by Franck
> You cannot win an election by lying and distorting what the facts of the situation really are.

Of course you can: Mr Bush already won.

No fair, you posted before me!
When I looked up "Ninjas" in Thesaurus.com, it said "Ninja's can't be found" Well played Ninjas, well played.
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post #71 of 209
Quote:
Saying "We are right" when there's no connection between 9/11 and Iraqi people who were killed is a shame.
US had absolutely NO right to invade Iraq

When will you understand that Iraq under SH was something that we just could not trust? OBL showed us what a 2 bit cave dweller can do if he left unchecked. We were done playing around with SH. He had to go.
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post #72 of 209
Talk of Conservatives and Christians.

BULLSHIT. There is nothing Conservative or Christian about the Republican Party.

edited by Powerdoc.
Mark UK : you need to relax.
post #73 of 209
Quote:
Originally posted by Franck
Jubelum, how could you vote for a so-called christian who invaded Iraq ?

The war is still unjustified. President Bush is accountable/guilty for killing over 1000 US soldiers, and probably more than 100 000 INNOCENT civilians.


Give me a reliable source for 100 000 innocent civilians dead. Does that include "innocent civilians" with RPGs? I cannot find a single liberal to give me reliable source for 100K

Man, we really fscked up that country.... Electricity is now more widely available than before the war. Iraq has a stable currency and banks are thriving. Schools and clinics have been renovated and reopened, and power plants, hospitals, water and sanitation facilities, and bridges are being rehabilitated.
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post #74 of 209
Quote:
Originally posted by Anna Mated


edited by Powerdoc.
Mark UK : you need to relax.

WHAT IS WRONG NOW?

I am attacking Ideas not specific individuals, which is what it says in the posting guidelines.
post #75 of 209
Quote:
Originally posted by Jubelum
Give me a reliable source for 100 000 innocent civilians dead. Does that include "innocent civilians" with RPGs? I cannot find a single liberal to give me reliable source for 100K

Man, we really fscked up that country.... Electricity is now more widely available than before the war. Iraq has a stable currency and banks are thriving. Schools and clinics have been renovated and reopened, and power plants, hospitals, water and sanitation facilities, and bridges are being rehabilitated.

god, you make it sound like paradise! what have i been thinking??? yet... something tells me you wouldn't take a free paid vacation over there to help out any time soon, either.
When you're lovers in a dangerous time,
You're made to feel as if your love's a crime.
Nothing worth having comes without some kind of fight.
Gotta kick at the darkness 'til it bleeds daylight.

-...
When you're lovers in a dangerous time,
You're made to feel as if your love's a crime.
Nothing worth having comes without some kind of fight.
Gotta kick at the darkness 'til it bleeds daylight.

-...
post #76 of 209
The remarks in this topic give such an ironic highlight to the unceasing accusations here of the right being so "black & white", binary, fervent perveyors of fear-mongering.

The left really needs to take a look at themselves. Is it really something they like? For every negative characterization they level upon their opponent, they seem to do it 10x worse themself with not a lick of humility. ...and then when reality gives them a lesson that things are not what they were so confident to assume, they manage to still be obstinate, and simply bemoan how everybody else that opposes them is still wrong. There is simply no endgame to their self-reinforcing delusion of what the majority feels is ultimately right. (sorry for the pun) I don't subscribe to either side to align my views, but I know for sure that the left has succeeded in thoroughly repulsing me for all the ugliness, deceit, and hypocracy they have shown.
Lauren Sanchez? That kinda hotness is just plain unnatural.
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post #77 of 209
Quote:
Originally posted by Randycat99
The remarks in this topic give such an ironic highlight to the unceasing accusations here of the right being so "black & white", binary, etc.

The left really needs to take a look at themselves. Is it really something they like? For every negative characterization they level upon their opponent, they seem to do it 10x worse themself with not a lick of humility. ...and then when reality gives them a lesson that things are not what they were so confident to assume, they manage to still be obstinate, and simply bemoan how everybody else that opposes them is still wrong. There is simply no endgame to their self-reinforcing delusion of what the majority feels is ultimately right. (sorry for the pun)

I think this is a normal raction when all logic is thrown out the window...
Bill Bradley to comedian Bill Cosby: "Bill, you are a comic, tell us a joke!"
- "Senator, you are a politician, first tell us a lie!"
Bill Bradley to comedian Bill Cosby: "Bill, you are a comic, tell us a joke!"
- "Senator, you are a politician, first tell us a lie!"
post #78 of 209
Quote:
Originally posted by rok
god, you make it sound like paradise! what have i been thinking??? yet... something tells me you wouldn't take a free paid vacation over there to help out any time soon, either.

I have, jackass. Four months. It was a paid vacation. WELL PAID. With YOUR TAX DOLLARS.
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post #79 of 209
ouch!


lol
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post #80 of 209
A little real history for the noneducated on this list.

20th and 21st century liberalism in the USA is ENTIRELY based upon the doctrines of Communism, not upon the general definition of "liberalism."

Stalin is the ultimate Liberal (to American liberals) since he was the ultimate communist.

Liberalism, as the general dictionaries define it, is what the Europeans might call Progressivism or Liberal Democracy. MANY, MANY US citizens rightfully would fall into these categories. But they have been co-opted by the chiildren of the Comintern - the current Democratic Leadership.

Make no mistake: the Democratic Leadership in the USA is fully formed from the Communist/Socialist mold, NOT from the progressive mold. They would enslave every citizen for their own benefit if they could make it happen. (And this is what The Second Amendment prevents, BTW.)

Most Americans are classically liberal at heart: They believe in individual liberty and individual responsibility, with as small a government as possible to prevent that government from taking away the rights of the people.

The so-called gay marriage amendments are the result of 70 years of Communistic-liberal growth of government: The government imposed restrictions on inheritance, tax liability, and other things so that benefits innure to legally married couples. Individuals and groups have the right to not agree with homosexuality and to not support it. There would be no problem with "gay marriage" if government-sanctioned regulations (such as those which govern insurance) did not demand that couples be married legally to get mutual benefits.

If the argument is over equal treatment, then the government is at fault, not those who wish to protect their individual rights to disagree with homosexuality. The over-large government created the problem by assigning the requirement of marriage through its millions of regulations.

If the argument is just trying to take "marriage" away from its religious meaning, then the homosexual lobby is at fault. Are they trying to become part of these religions? Religious freedom is 100% guaranteed in the U.S. Even religions that worship evil are protected. While the anti-theists want to destroy religion, the atheists want to make everyone worship their "god:" an empty hole. Religions are not like country clubs: you cannot force them to let you in if you don't follow their doctrine. And the doctrine is that marriage is a heterosexual thing. Not a gay thing. I'm all for gays and lesbians getting all the secular benefits of marriage. I'd like to see roommates be able to inherit property without taxes, even. But to force every religion to recognize gay marriage? That's too much, and too fast.

Liberalism must be destroyed.
J.C. Corbin, Apple Certified Technical Coordinator
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