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Apple has added a feature to its new iPod Store that allows customers to submit their own reviews, as well as a 1 to 5 star rating for third party products listed on the store. "Within five days, Apple will take a closer look at your review. If it follows the terms and conditions described below, well decide whether to publish it," says a document detailing the new feature.



However, costumers are unable to provide reviews of Apple's own products. "All Apple products have a rating of "5 Apples" because we think theyre great," reads a comical statement on the store Web site. "Would you trust us to display less than perfect ratings on our own products? We didnt think so!"
post #2 of 33
A little bizarre, but at least they're open about it!

I guess the accessory reviews are potentially useful--and I can see that letting people review Apple products would just lead to a lot of Wintrolling nonsense.
post #3 of 33
Wow Apple. Wow.
post #4 of 33
Well I suppose a five star rating with that disclaimer is fine. After all I don't think any company would list their product as "1 star, because we prefer the competitions's offerings".
post #5 of 33
Is it just me or does anyone else feel like Apple is growing more "childish" by the day. A consuming focus on the iPod, apple ratings, etc. What's next, baby clothes? Or maybe baby food...

<sarcastic headline>
Apple releases new "Baked Apples" baby food for immediate consumption. An Apple spokesman states: "What? Did you think we'd release something with potatoes instead?" An iPod-style warming cradle that can be ordered separately.
</sarcastic headline>
post #6 of 33
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Originally posted by adamrao
Is it just me or does anyone else feel like Apple is growing more "childish" by the day. A consuming focus on the iPod, apple ratings, etc. What's next, baby clothes? Or maybe baby food...

<sarcastic headline>
Apple releases new "Baked Apples" baby food for immediate consumption. An Apple spokesman states: "What? Did you think we'd release something with potatoes instead?" An iPod-style warming cradle that can be ordered separately.
</sarcastic headline>

No, I think they are getting their confidence, quirckiness, humor and friendliness back. It's a been a while and it's nice to see. It's what makes them great afterall.
post #7 of 33
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Originally posted by nagromme
...and I can see that letting people review Apple products would just lead to a lot of Wintrolling nonsense.

That's exactly it. We'd have unmoderated flame wars happenning at the online Apple Store.
post #8 of 33
Is it just me or is everyone here too dense to capture the sarcasm of this option?

MacWorld comes to mind.
post #9 of 33
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Originally posted by BuonRotto
That's exactly it. We'd have unmoderated flame wars happenning at the online Apple Store.

Maybe we could move some of our Political Outsider regulars to the Apple Store?
post #10 of 33
that is just as crazy as when your car is serviced the dealer fills out the rating card with all 5s (out of five) and all your information and asks you to send it to corprate headquaters, they note that they presume you give them all fives since they are so great.
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post #11 of 33
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Originally posted by applenut
No, I think they are getting their confidence, quirckiness, humor and friendliness back. It's a been a while and it's nice to see. It's what makes them great afterall.

Exactly. It is the kind of company that would incorporate on April Fool's Day and sell a computer for $666. If the people who are working there are having fun while they are working hard, I think they will continue to produce (dare I say), 'Insanely Great Products'.
post #12 of 33
First of all, you'll notice that Apple's products are rated with apples and the third party products are rated with stars. To me this clearly indicates that Apple is looking for feedback on the third party products they carry in order to better serve their customers - if a particular product has a very low rating, maybe Apple will stop wasting time selling it?
post #13 of 33
I also think that people wouldn't trust Apple to edit reviews of their own products in an unbiased way anyway. Better for Apple to leave that to third parties who at least have the appearance of impartiality.

(Not that I'm saying users are bad for not trusting Apple; rather, users are correct in trusting no commercial operation to provide unedited feedback on its own products.)
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Originally posted by Jambo
Maybe we could move some of our Political Outsider regulars to the Apple Store?

You mean like me? Follow me, the pied piper of PoliticalOutsider!
post #15 of 33
Seriously. Does anyone (including anyone at Apple) who doesn't run it on a dual G5 think iPhoto deserves 5 Apples? It's the slowest program on the planet.
post #16 of 33
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Originally posted by tonton
Seriously. Does anyone (including anyone at Apple) who doesn't run it on a dual G5 think iPhoto deserves 5 Apples? It's the slowest program on the planet.

Maybe iPhoto 1.0 or 2.0, but definitely not iPhoto '04. I run it on my 600MHz iBook G3 (640MB RAM) with no issues. So in terms of speed, it's not bad. I still don't think I'd give it 5 Apples though... they need to add some more flexible printing options and some nicer templates for the webpage export feature.
post #17 of 33
My 10 MP scans choke iPhoto 4 for a minute when I go into Edit mode, but otherwise, it's fine. Could defnitely use refinement to the UI IMO.
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Originally posted by tonton
Seriously. Does anyone (including anyone at Apple) who doesn't run it on a dual G5 think iPhoto deserves 5 Apples? It's the slowest program on the planet.

I have to totally agree with you. We have loads of pics from our 3.2 megapixel camera. (Not even that huge) Clicking on any of them requires a couple second for them to come up. Loading the same pictures on Picasa or Adobe on PC is instant.

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post #19 of 33
lame apple, laaaaaame

you should just leave out your own products from being rated at all
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post #20 of 33
y'all actually use iPhoto?

Jeeez, i'm sorry for ya. I only use it to more easily make my .Mac website photogalleries or when I have to show off a picture slideshow. But not to edit, view, or anything else. Preview is your friend (sort of)
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post #21 of 33
hahah! I think their comment was funny!

As with iPhoto, it runs fine for me, it does have a second delay when I double click on a picture, but its understandable since I have encryption turned on. Switching songs on itunes also has a fraction of a second delay. But when encryption is off they both are speed devils imo, especially compared to the startup times on photoshop... 30 seconds
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post #22 of 33
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Originally posted by applenut
No, I think they are getting their confidence, quirckiness, humor and friendliness back. It's a been a while and it's nice to see. It's what makes them great afterall.

I disagree. What makes Apple great is their ability to excel in design while providing good performance for computing tasks. I don't really care if the company that makes my computer is "confident, quirky, humorous or friendly" (ok, well, maybe friendly would be nice ).

I love Apple COMPUTERS - good value for money (IMO), good performance, great design, compatability, etc. The PowerBook is the sweetest laptop/notebook computer available. No, it doesn't have the greatest performance, and some would probably argue that it doesn't even have the greatest design, lowest weight, etc. But it's the combination of those factors that makes Apple's PowerBook so great. The same thing could be said about many Apple computer systems. The iMac G5 and even the G4 iMac and their innovation, etc.

But, right now, Apple has thrown most of its push into the iPod and becoming more "quirky and humorous." That's fine. BUT as a professional user, that's worrisome. What will Apple do once the iPod is in the hands of every single human being on the face of the planet? I personally feel as if my sector of Apple's production is stagnant and stalled. And that concerns me when considering future professional products from Apple.

2004 updates to professional products from Apple:
PowerMac = June.
PowerBook = April.
xServe = January.

2004 updates to iPod: 3! January, July and October (iPod Photo and U2).

Granted, the iPod is a LOT easier to update than the professional products, but it just seems a little tilted.

I'm done ranting now. It's just frustrating to be a "professional" Apple user right now.
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post #24 of 33
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Originally posted by joltguy
Maybe iPhoto 1.0 or 2.0, but definitely not iPhoto '04. I run it on my 600MHz iBook G3 (640MB RAM) with no issues. So in terms of speed, it's not bad. I still don't think I'd give it 5 Apples though... they need to add some more flexible printing options and some nicer templates for the webpage export feature.

Curious... how many photos do you have.

iPhoto takes multiple seconds to respond to any click on my dual 450 with 1.5gigs of ram and a radeon 8500 (64mb). I think that a couple thousand photos is enough to make it unuseable on all but the highest end machines.
post #25 of 33
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Originally posted by adamrao
I disagree. What makes Apple great is their ability to excel in design while providing good performance for computing tasks. I don't really care if the company that makes my computer is "confident, quirky, humorous or friendly" (ok, well, maybe friendly would be nice ).

I love Apple COMPUTERS - good value for money (IMO), good performance, great design, compatability, etc. The PowerBook is the sweetest laptop/notebook computer available. No, it doesn't have the greatest performance, and some would probably argue that it doesn't even have the greatest design, lowest weight, etc. But it's the combination of those factors that makes Apple's PowerBook so great. The same thing could be said about many Apple computer systems. The iMac G5 and even the G4 iMac and their innovation, etc.

But, right now, Apple has thrown most of its push into the iPod and becoming more "quirky and humorous." That's fine. BUT as a professional user, that's worrisome. What will Apple do once the iPod is in the hands of every single human being on the face of the planet? I personally feel as if my sector of Apple's production is stagnant and stalled. And that concerns me when considering future professional products from Apple.

2004 updates to professional products from Apple:
PowerMac = June.
PowerBook = April.
xServe = January.

2004 updates to iPod: 3! January, July and October (iPod Photo and U2).

Granted, the iPod is a LOT easier to update than the professional products, but it just seems a little tilted.

I'm done ranting now. It's just frustrating to be a "professional" Apple user right now.

Sorry but the fact that you are posting on a apple fan forum kind of negates every aspect of your argument. You use a mac for more reasons than design and performance. You just don't want to admit it.
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Originally posted by applenut
Sorry but the fact that you are posting on a apple fan forum kind of negates every aspect of your argument. You use a mac for more reasons than design and performance. You just don't want to admit it.

Of course I use the Mac for more reasons than design and performance! I'm more than willing to admit that. Mac OS X is the best operating system on the planet (and maybe beyond). I think the iApps are fabulous. I think the smaller user base of Mac users compared to PC users is a huge advantage. I think that attention paid to the little things is amazing. I could go on forever on why I use a Mac. And I'm more than willing to admit them all.

My point was (how this could be missed is beyond me) that 3 updates of the iPod in a year compared to one update of professional products is frustrating. We've seen Logic 7 and Motion (two professional products). Two great steps forward. But, the complaints about iPhoto in the posts above point out a huge problem that Apple MUST face at some point or another. All the greatest software in the world needs some really good hardware to run on, and last time I checked, Motion and Logic and iPhoto and GarageBand don't run on the iPod... yet. They run on computer systems built by Apple.

Listen, I understand that Apple is having a huge year in terms of profit and marketability based on the iPod. That's fabulous. As a Mac user (and someone with a semblance of intelligence), I can understand their pushing of that product for both the Mac and PC platforms. Great. But, with the delays of 30" cinema displays and NVidia graphics cards for PowerMac buyers, the lack of new PowerBooks that have performance anywhere close to the PC world and an xServe update every blue moon... the computer system market (granted, only the professional side) is struggling.

I love the iMacs, the iBooks and the iPod. They all serve their purpose really well. I just think there's more professionals that use Apple products that are being left out a bit. That's all.
post #27 of 33
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Originally posted by dfiler
Curious... how many photos do you have.

iPhoto takes multiple seconds to respond to any click on my dual 450 with 1.5gigs of ram and a radeon 8500 (64mb). I think that a couple thousand photos is enough to make it unuseable on all but the highest end machines.

Yep. I've got a Rev. A TiBook 400, and I've decided to dump iPhoto completely because it's unuseable. I'll be going back to my all-time favorite, PhotoGrid X. It's OH SO FAST! and doesn't require indexing at all. I've been using PhotoGrid since OS 9 days, and I'm a huge fan.
post #28 of 33
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Originally posted by dfiler
Curious... how many photos do you have.

iPhoto takes multiple seconds to respond to any click on my dual 450 with 1.5gigs of ram and a radeon 8500 (64mb). I think that a couple thousand photos is enough to make it unuseable on all but the highest end machines.

Wow... you must not have iPhoto '04. I've got 4203 photos, the majority of which are 5 megapixel in size, and iPhoto is extremely usable. I use it on my 1GHz 17" PowerBook with 1G of RAM. I wouldn't call this the highest end anymore.

Now, iLife 3 was indeed dog slow (rotating a picture took at least 15 seconds for me). This is no longer the case since I upgraded to iLife '04.

John
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Originally posted by John Whitney
Wow... you must not have iPhoto '04.

Nope, running iPhoto 04 here as well.

I guess responsiveness truly is in the eye of the beholder.
post #30 of 33
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Originally posted by AppleInsider
"All Apple products have a rating of "5 Apples" because we think theyre great," reads a comical statement on the store Web site.

This is better than most... I work with a guy whose former job was to go online under various aliases and write positive reviews for his company's products. That's all he did, all day every day.

No company can afford to have negative reviews of it's products right up next to the "Buy it now" button... Apple is just doing this in a limited way, openly and honestly.
post #31 of 33
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Originally posted by HumanJHawkins
This is better than most... I work with a guy whose former job was to go online under various aliases and write positive reviews for his company's products. That's all he did, all day every day.

No company can afford to have negative reviews of it's products right up next to the "Buy it now" button... Apple is just doing this in a limited way, openly and honestly.

You think we're fools?

Your second post ever (hmmm...) and you're defending an Apple marketing strategy, which is what most of us here most criticize.

And you "worked with" someone who goes online all day under various aliases? Yeah, well I have a "friend" with a rash and a premature ejaculation problem, can you tell me what to do so I can tell him?

You work on Infinite Loop or are you subcontracted. Out with it!

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post #32 of 33
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Originally posted by bergz
You think we're fools? <CUT> You work on Infinite Loop or are you subcontracted. Out with it!

Ha... Yes. That's it in fact.

Actually, I knew that sounded kinda' dumb when I wrote it. But it's true. This is a small town, and I didn't want to put my co-worker in a tough position with his former company. Plus, it would be a little unfair to single out one fairly small online retailer when I think alomst all of them do this.

Whateva' whateva' I do what I want!
post #33 of 33
I want to be able to defend this, but the best I can come up with is cosmetic reasons. It would look silly to see certain (great) products not rated next to the 3rd party stuff that is rated.

However I cant say it and feel good justifying it. I tried.

Better to simply phrase the rating as a 3rd party only thing. Rating Apple products would lead to abuse, I agree.
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