Fallujah - Page 11

Yes, but it can be done the right and the wrong way. Mandela and Gandhi are good examples.


oh yes. Robin Hood was my favorite cartoon as a kid. Mordecai Vanunu is a good contemporary example.

Iraq itself is a byproduct of western policies. SH would never have been where he was without help from the west...

No, your 'definition' of 'truth' and series of interpretive questions just demonstrated your inability to understand anything addabox said in his post. In fact, you completely proved his point.

Naples X : care to adress my post.
I am getting a little upset.
Don't play with me. I am not a mice.

Funny you should say that because it seems like you've bought the Bush story hook, line, and sinker without even consideration. More over when you are presented with evidence to the contrary you effectively stick your fingers in your ears and go " La, la, la, la, ".

This dutch connection was before the first gulf war and correct me if I'm wrong before UN sanctions. So, circumstances and laws were different then, So, I am not sure what the point is. More obfuscation.

That article is the worst piece of journalism ever. I didn't see a source (maybe I missed it in the translation) there was no time frame specified and there was no link back to the original article that it was supporting. I don't think that was even a news paper it may be a periodical of sorts.

Surely there is an english link somewhere.

I will. I keep gettting distracted.

ClintonBodyCountX just attacked someone's source. Not enough animated gifs for you, huh?

Man, It is in german!
I don't read german. I had to use the sherlock translator to even come close to understanding it.

What I stated about it is true as far as I can see. I cant even navigate the site because it is all in german with no english version that i can see. Give me a break!

Including Bechtel?!
and Honeywell?!?!

Whooda thunk?

The report is from 1975 up to the early 90's, 1991 if I read it correctly.

Perhaps I am wrong, but in that period Iraq was an ally to the US. Sales of those materials would not have been illegal. They were before sanctions and before the first gulf war AFAICT.

Here are some interesting quotes from the initial news report this generated:

"British officials said the list of companies appeared to be accurate. Eighty German firms and 24 US companies are reported to have supplied Iraq with equipment and know-how for its weapons programmes from 1975 onwards and in some cases support for Baghdad's conventional arms programme had continued until last year."

"German involvement outstripped that of all the other countries put together, the paper said. During the period to 1991, the German authoritiespermitted weapons co-operation with Iraq and in some cases "actively encouraged" it, according to the newspaper which cited German assistance allegedly given to Iraq for the development of poison gas used in the 1988 massacre of Kurds in northern Iraq. It said that after the massacre America reduced its military co-operation with Iraq but German firms continued their activities until the Gulf War."

And Seg you were way wrong. The germans have much more to answer for, in this one. Read it yourself.

Oh yeah, I have a problem with France post sanctioned Iraq and their in worldwide corruption through the UNscam OFF program.

So then you must have a problem with Cheney since his company did business with Iraq between 98-2000.

The previous quote to this was vague. Come on.


Ask your politicians.

Perhaps money, power, oil, greed... who knows.


Some did, Ask them.


Maybe I should clarify, the French Press, the French elite they are very anti-american.


Who knows. Why don't you tell us.


It is. And I quotes many articles on the subject in the past two months. I can post more if you like.


Right. No WMD DISCOVERED in Iraq... yet. There is still plenty of ground there unsearched.

Look. If you think you are right then stick to your position. I disagree. Fair?

Ok first off. It's not his company.

Second, what business, please specify?

If it was business that was banned, then yes I have a problem with that.

OK first off. Learn how to. Use your native language Thanks.

Second, he was CEO.

Third, stop demanding that people to do everything for you. At one point you (hopefully) had to learn to wipe yourself, so just think about this as your next step toward independence.

Just give me a lowdown. You wasted words on condescension, when you could have just typed a couple of sentences to explain what you mean.

A link is even easier if you have it handy, no?

1) Your opinion is based upon the sole assumption that what you read in some press is accurate. I note that such articles did not exist in the french or german or many others european press. I am suprised that a part of the french press who love scandals don't relate this one.
I have just hear comments on the part of the press, complaining of such attacks.
If you want to convice me that the french officials were that corrupt with Iraq, you have to give me others proofs, than the one coming from a press who can't stand France.
I don't think that I will convice you of anything, if I refered to ultraleft or ultraright winged french press concerning US. I will not even convice my self of anything reading such press.

2) For the WMD thing, you can always expect. I will say that you belong to a growing minority.

3) you are entitled to disagree and stick to your position also. But it's a forum of discussion, we are supposed to discuss.

4) the french press is bipolar, as the US one.

The left press is not pro american, as it represent capitalism, something that the left do not value much. The word anti american is too strong when it applie for the moderate left.

The right press is not anti-US for the reverse reasons : the right value capitalism, and US is one of this symbol. This said the right press, do not agree with everything that the US do. Anyway the word anti american for the right press is innacurate.

5) I don't know what you are refering to, by Elite. If you are refering to some "intellectuels de gauche", you are right, but I will say that they are elite only by their own standarts. Now if you are refering by politicians you are wrong , there is a wide spectrum, varying from the proBush to the Bush haters.

Just the " wasted words " here is at the heart of the matter.

He doesn't want to debate his point. He just wants the last word.

I'm a bit surprised, since I'd think it would be better from the POV of the insurgents if they set up in another place and the US army would have to mow that down too - better press, would appear more like whole Iraq is fighting and not just one town. Also it's necessarily becoming harder to fight in Falluja because US forces are getting acquainted with it, have deployed in great numbers, and lots of civilians have left and so there is less cover.

Or these insurgents are infact the citizens of falluja...

I was just discussing what I'd expect from the insurgents and what would make sense in their position, not who they are. If there are a lot of Fallujans among them (and there probably are) it would still make sense for them to shift the focus of the fight elsewhere, keep on the move, never allowing the US forces a chance to target concentrated insurgents in a single area.

maybe, depends on how they are organized. I believe some of them are just local fighters...